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     Location: OH. IO | Are his muscles in his hips real tight?have you by any chance noticed real dark(coffee color)urine?does he compare to symptoms of tying up?
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| I agree this is an emergency. I doubt the prascend caused side effects that fast. Two or 3 dosings is minimal. My vet, who is an actual internal medicine specialist in Wisconsin's most ellite equine facility, said if they show side effects of prascend it takes a few weeks to months. I agree with holistic to a certain point. Nothing wrong with being as natural as possible but what people forget is even things in nature are poisonous. Every time you take something that is beyond our normal vitamins and minerals you are potentially putting something in your body you could react too. Using herbs to treat something is basically classifying them a drug. Praying for you. |
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| She finally called me back and I told her everything he was doing. The horse is more comfortable now after the 3grams of bute I gave him.. hes even resting his back foot. I told her he seemed to get worse after the medication because she told me it would stop progressing it from doing further damage if it was indeed caused from cushings. She back peddled a bit and said well.... I doubt it's the prascend that's doing this to him. Her recommendation was to keep him buted, let his kidneys take the hit ( her actual words) and try to keep him comfortable in the meantime until you can get him in the trailer to come get xrays, if hes foundering in the back, itll be your decision to end his life.. we stay out of that decision. Or if hes just foundered in the front we can cut his tendons and reverse the rotation. I'm more disgusted now than anything. I asked about ulcers and she said hes sucked up in the belly because his pain not ulcers . Lotta help there... I'm going to make another call into a mobile vet to come here, he has the ability to do xrays on site. I can't even imagine making this horse load into the trailer right now. His urine appears normal.. hes drinking his normal amount of water, I'm keeping tabs on every thing ... only thing hes interested in eating is his hay. |
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| I have a video of him this morning, it's hard to watch but this was before I buted him. I dont want to be bashed because of it so I'm reluctant to share it. I'm completely heartbroken but I'm trying to still learn from this. He was outside in the video but he made his way back into his stall after that. Hes not out anymore I just dont want anyone thinking I've got him turned out. The vet recommended I come pick up more bute and give it twice a day right now to keep him comfortable. |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2020-01-06 2:09 PM
She finally called me back and I told her everything he was doing. The horse is more comfortable now after the 3grams of bute I gave him.. hes even resting his back foot. I told her he seemed to get worse after the medication because she told me it would stop progressing it from doing further damage if it was indeed caused from cushings. She back peddled a bit and said well.... I doubt it's the prascend that's doing this to him. Her recommendation was to keep him buted, let his kidneys take the hit ( her actual words) and try to keep him comfortable in the meantime until you can get him in the trailer to come get xrays, if hes foundering in the back, itll be your decision to end his life.. we stay out of that decision. Or if hes just foundered in the front we can cut his tendons and reverse the rotation. I'm more disgusted now than anything. I asked about ulcers and she said hes sucked up in the belly because his pain not ulcers . Lotta help there... I'm going to make another call into a mobile vet to come here, he has the ability to do xrays on site. I can't even imagine making this horse load into the trailer right now. His urine appears normal.. hes drinking his normal amount of water, I'm keeping tabs on every thing ... only thing hes interested in eating is his hay.
Oh Lordy, I'm old school but have never heard of cutting tendons to reverse rotation, but I have really never really dealt with a founder horse.. But I do agree his belly is hard or sucked up because of his pain..Keep him buted for a few days and find someone to help.. Is he getting any heat/stress rings? Man I wish you lived around here so you could get him in at Retama with Dr. Huffman or Dr. Martin. Dr. Huffman has saved a few of my horses, this man hangs the moon in my books and Dr. Martin too. |
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     Location: OH. IO | i just want to tell you im so sorry for you having to go through this:(My heart breaks for you,and him of course.I don't see how ANYONE could bash you with the things you are doing for him.I personally commend you for going above and beyond for him and it doesn't surprise me that you are THIS GOOD OF A PERSON TO TRY EVERYTHING YOU CAN FOR HIM       |
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        Location: Kansas | At this point, I think you are postponing the inevitable.............
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| jake16 - 2020-01-06 1:44 PM
Are his muscles in his hips real tight?have you by any chance noticed real dark(coffee color)urine?does he compare to symptoms of tying up?
Hes sucked up in his gut, like a dehydrated horse ... but I know hes not.. hes been eating soaked hay, and drinking normal amounts of water... hes refusing the thyro l even mixed with water and his x factor... I'm done trying to force meds in him. Besides bute right now... I'm going to let him enjoy his grain... without thyro l in it.. the thyro l isnt going to make or break him.. they prescribe that stuff to every horse that comes in there that's overweight it seems which she said 95% of them are anymore. |
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| Frodo - 2020-01-06 2:25 PM
At this point, I think you are postponing the inevitable.............
I'm not doing it out of cruelty I can promise you that. Hes a different horse right now eating his hay quietly with one back foot cocked.. not breathing hard or sweating anymore. If he needs to be put down he will be ... I refuse to make this horse load into a trailer right now and make a 25 minute trip to the vet for that. Hes comfortable right now until I can get someone out here and do it. If he was laying down and writhing in pain, I'd shoot him myself but hes not... hes upright, alert and eating and resting |
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        Location: Kansas | want2chase3 - 2020-01-06 2:40 PM
Frodo - 2020-01-06 2:25 PM
At this point, I think you are postponing the inevitable.............
I'm not doing it out of cruelty I can promise you that. Hes a different horse right now eating his hay quietly with one back foot cocked.. not breathing hard or sweating anymore. If he needs to be put down he will be ... I refuse to make this horse load into a trailer right now and make a 25 minute trip to the vet for that. Hes comfortable right now until I can get someone out here and do it. If he was laying down and writhing in pain, I'd shoot him myself but hes not... hes upright, alert and eating and resting
I can't even remember the why of it but I actually had the vet out on a Sunday afternoon to put my guy down. Levi was standing at the feeder enjoying his hay but something fleshy was pushing its way out of the bottom of his eyes. I know the vet told me what was happening but I can't remember what. It told me at that point there was no hope. I knew something this abnormal was not reversible. |
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| Chuy is running happily in heaven.... no more pain no more icky beet pulp or bute paste to be forced in... rest easy my friend ..... the vet came out and he was falling down and backwards... we made the decision and he went down gracefully and easy .... thank you all for the help and prayers and advice... |
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Go Get Em!
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     Location: OH. IO | i am so very sorry for your loss,I hate that this happened to him:(((,and your family.Please find peace in knowing you did everything you could possibly do.
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2020-01-06 5:37 PM
Chuy is running happily in heaven.... no more pain no more icky beet pulp or bute paste to be forced in... rest easy my friend ..... the vet came out and he was falling down and backwards... we made the decision and he went down gracefully and easy .... thank you all for the help and prayers and advice...
Ohhhh noooo, This just make my gut knot up I was not so expecting to see this type of update, just sick reading this, Hugs you did what you could, I am soooo sorry  |
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| I'm so so sorry. Hugs to you. You did everything thing in your power for him. |
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     Location: NC | So sorry :( hugs and prayers. Been watching and was hoping for good news |
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      Location: Arkansas | ^^^^^^This underlined and in capitals. . . . I'd come be your horse ANY DAY  I just read the update. . . . I am so incredibly sorry you, Chuy, and your family had to go thru this. Perhaps God put him in your hands just recently because He knew when this time came that you would do right by Chuy and help him over. My heart is broken for you, but I know he's kicking up his heels and is a prancy pony tonight  
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| Now that I've had a moment to collect myself... I'm just so thankful my husband was here, he took charge, our backhoe wasnt working so he called some friends and got one here right away .. these 2 vets were amazing and so sympathetic to my family... they let us say goodbye and waited for us to let him finish his huge bucket full of sr feed he wasnt allowed to have anymore... he ate every morsel up.. we loved on him, talked to him and when it was time we slowly lead him over to his spot ... she administered the shot and he gently sat back and then went down, the other vet was holding his head so he didnt hit it on the ground... it was very peaceful and she was telling him what a good boy he was and how she could tell how much he was loved by us and what a lucky boy he was... she closed his eyes and we came over and said our final goodbye...the vet cut a large piece of his beautiful tail and gave it to my daughter... hes buried beside our barn. It's such a heartwrenching ordeal but I know I did right .... I miss him terribly already ... I keep looking out my kitchen window to see him like I've been doing the last few weeks all hours of the day and night expecting to see his cute face and fuzzy ears looking back at me ... it's sad.. his stall is empty ... poor jacob was just sobbing the entire time... I told him a very special child in heaven needed a kick butt breakaway horse and God needed chuy more than we did... I know time will heal our hearts ... rest in peace my beautiful chew-chew...     |
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| You made me cry. Those moments are so tough. He knew you Loved him. Hugs. |
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      Location: Arkansas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2020-01-06 11:39 PM
You made me cry. Those moments are so tough. He knew you Loved him. Hugs.
I cried too. . . But it sounds like at the end you were surrounded by good people and a wonderful husband. No one can say Chuy didn't know he was loved. Those pics show a beautiful, well-loved boy. When Lula Bell lost her mare last year, her FB post included that she hoped the little girl riding her new pony that night in heaven knew how incredibly special she was---I bet someone up there tonight is talking about their special new boy. . . |
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        Location: Kansas | Bye Chuy......rest well. You were a lucky horse to have been part of a loving family.
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