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Location: Wyoming | There is a pssm forum on Facebook that lists all the positives and negatives so you can trace bloodlines and all the testing that can be done and should be done along with all the different symptoms.
In fact...appy cowgirl who posted all the good stuff on the previous pages is the moderator. This is the best, most knowledgable site for pssm horses.
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Location: Iowa, LA | Anyone have any updates on their horses since changing diets? My gelding is doing great! No more dancing around for grooming/saddling and no more colic like episodes of laying down constantly and grunting. I put him on Succeed and it really seems to be helping his tummy. My mare now has an abcess brewing where her sutures were from her sinus surgery so I'm hoping like hell she doesn't have to go through another hospital stay. It really sets her back to be stalled up 24/7 with no movement! I now have them all trained to use the new walker while cleaning stalls/doing chores. I'm hoping any extra movement I can give them will help those muscles feel better. |
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| Since you brought this thread back up, can anu of you give me an idea of how long after removal from grass that I might see ANY kind of change? I changed her diet several years ago, but at that time grass was not not recommended.
At this point in time I want to see if taking her off grass would make a difference in her "I want to go back to the trailer NOW!" Attitude. Especially when hauled with another horse. AT home she could care less if she is away from the herd when I am riding. Is just as lazy coming home as she is leaving. But on the road it is a WHOLE 'nother story. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | rodeoveteran - 2013-07-27 2:53 PM Since you brought this thread back up, can anu of you give me an idea of how long after removal from grass that I might see ANY kind of change? I changed her diet several years ago, but at that time grass was not not recommended. At this point in time I want to see if taking her off grass would make a difference in her "I want to go back to the trailer NOW!" Attitude. Especially when hauled with another horse. AT home she could care less if she is away from the herd when I am riding. Is just as lazy coming home as she is leaving. But on the road it is a WHOLE 'nother story.
With my mare it's almost like clockwork ...about a week to see any changes from anything I do differently. But with the gelding it is always more subtle and slow. Not sure why...but that has been my experience with my two. It probably took my gelding a few weeks to slowly quit moving around while saddling/grooming. At first it was so subtle that I thought it was just in my head, but he is NEVER doing it anymore....at all....since taking him off of grass. He's just more relaxed in general. He had been off of grain since last fall and was a better acting horse, but still not quite right. Putting him in the dry lot with my mare is what made the difference. |
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| My gelding has been on a l/s diet and i have added cool caleries for his fat i notices that he doesnot walk his stall as much he got rear end sore had him injected 3 weeks age i let him rest one week and then next week it rained about everyday so on that sun i rode him he was lame so he had been freshly shod so i got my guy to come look at him he was good then i got a terrible sinus infection could not haedly hold my head up. So he has not been rode and today i saddled him up did not pull saddle to tight at first the before i went down the hill to,ride i pulled that buger snug cause he did not look humpy. So i put him on a lunge line and jumped a tiny little bit and the did nothing a year ago he would have bucked and carried on until he was wringimg wet. So i think i have my answer, i think that there is no,reason to,test him. I just wonder what else i show do. But when i rode him him he wantes to,drop and lenthen more when troting and let me fram him up without fuss. He would always frame up but he would breathe while framing up, i thought he had a breathing problem but he had a muscle problem. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | Just bumping this thread up! There are breeders out there that will tell people that this disorder is "not that bad" and "won't cause lameness" etc etc.
The thing is, this disorder has so many different ways that it can affect the horse. Some tie up non-stop, while others never tie up. Some tie-up once in a blue moon. Some get confused with "colic". Some go down and can't get back up. Some get confused with stifle issues, sensitive skin, touchy, skittish, sore hocks, sore backs, epm....the list goes on. Each horse is different depending on the severity.
Both of mine are labeled as "moderate", but I've had people tell me that their "mild" horses are difficult to maintain. These horses CAN and DO win! Just because a horse is running it's heart out, doesn't mean this isn't hurting them. My mare qualified for the world show in the 2D last year with literally 4-5 runs. But she was NOT moving right. I knew it, and made the decision to quit running her until I got to the bottom of her "hind end" issues that vets kept saying were hocks/stifle problems.
This CAN AND DOES affect their "personalities"! They are HURTING and if you went around all day hurting it would change you, as well. Most can be managed (although certainly not easy), but some CANNOT! Don't let someone minimize the amount of time, energy, and money it can take to manage a PSSM positive horse. For my two, there is no vacation time. No turn out on pasture and let them fend for themselves time. Every single day is exercise, supplements, special ($30/bag) feed, and constant evaluation for how things are working for them. Can it be done? Yes, for most, but not ALL!
Some of these horses tie up within a few minutes of WALKING or a simple trailer ride on a DAILY BASIS. There is no set in stone certain way that it affects a horse. Each horse shows their pain differently. Some get labeled as BRONCS, lazy, hot, crazy, etc etc.
Don't fall for the fluff and baloney that some breeders are trying to feed you! This is REAL!
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Location: Iowa, LA | aggie5184 - 2013-08-01 11:14 AM What is everyone using as a fat supplement?
I'm using canola and flax. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | Bumping up for a board member! |
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Location: Arizona | Three 4 Luck - 2013-07-16 11:20 AM appycowgirl - 2013-07-14 2:11 PM Barlracrchick, there is several suspects back there as I have suspected Sugar Bars and then I saw the mare Flit who traces to Julie W and I have suspected Julie W as well. I'm still out on whether Colonel Freckles could be a possible suspect or not. I've seen positives with him in there and of course others who have tested out negative as well. The horse I suspect of being PSSM was by Dr Nick Bar and out of a mare that goes back to Moon Deck 3 times. Man, I wish I could have a do-over with him!
I know I've read that Martha (also by Dr Nick Bar) has PSSM in several articles. This is one: http://www.westernhorseman.com/index.php/the-arena/article/647-sugar-moon-express-martha.html |
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Location: Texas | Reading this makes me sick! now that I have read this and looking back on my stud I sold. A little light has come on. When I lived in the Buffalo area. I kept him stalled And he was on A low starch low sugar feet. Man you talk about smooth when he turned a barrel. When I went through my divorce I put him on pasture and oats and OMG! Be would buck he was like riding a jack hammer around a barrel. I was moving out of one house into another and I stalled him at my sisters he had NO pasture I took him off oats and once again had him on a Low starch low sugar feed and he was turning smooth again. When I got into my new place he was on pasture. His back was always sore, he would buck, He turned a barrel so hard it screwed up my back. The woman that leased him had him on pasture with Oats and cracked corn. He came back lame once his issues were fixed he was still lame. I ended up selling him as a breeding stallion only and he is still lame and the vets don't know why! He is on a 2 acr pasture and Omolene 200. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | SlashD - 2013-08-24 5:27 PM
Reading this makes me sick! now that I have read this and looking back on my stud I sold. A little light has come on. When I lived in the Buffalo area. I kept him stalled And he was on A low starch low sugar feet. Man you talk about smooth when he turned a barrel. When I went through my divorce I put him on pasture and oats and OMG! Be would buck he was like riding a jack hammer around a barrel. I was moving out of one house into another and I stalled him at my sisters he had NO pasture I took him off oats and once again had him on a Low starch low sugar feed and he was turning smooth again. When I got into my new place he was on pasture. His back was always sore, he would buck, He turned a barrel so hard it screwed up my back. The woman that leased him had him on pasture with Oats and cracked corn. He came back lame once his issues were fixed he was still lame. I ended up selling him as a breeding stallion only and he is still lame and the vets don't know why! He is on a 2 acr pasture and Omolene 200.
I'm hoping to cause a lot of light bulbs to go off! It's just too easy to breed forward and so easily mistaken for other issues.
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Location: Missouri | This post was probably the greatest piece of information I have read on BHW and want to thank you for posting this. My sister has an extremely talented mare who did not want anybody to catch her and got to the point of being dangerous at times. Once caught she would flinch when brushed and you could see her tense when being saddled. She had an attitude when it came to loping circles and wouldn't extend out instead road like a jackhammer. She would throw fits over small things like asking her to counter arc or collect up. Over the winter while the grass was dead and she was on grass hay 24/7, she had decreased symptoms, but this spring and summer things were even worse than in the past. We had tried many things from switching saddles & bits to the chiropractor, vet, and equine dentist, but nothing seemed to make a difference. I came across this article just as all of us were reaching our last straw and were starting to think it was just her personality.
After reading this everything began to click into place with her signs and symptoms. I am now happy to say that we have made changes to her diet and exercise schedule and three weeks into the changes we have a horse that will lope relaxed circles and is back on track in the exhibitioning and seasoning process. She is a sweetheart on the ground and will actually come up to you in the pasture to be scratched. She is a completely different horse! I am so glad that you brought this to light to help all of us! |
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Location: Iowa, LA | Runnin-Lil-Chick - 2013-08-24 9:34 PM
This post was probably the greatest piece of information I have read on BHW and want to thank you for posting this. My sister has an extremely talented mare who did not want anybody to catch her and got to the point of being dangerous at times. Once caught she would flinch when brushed and you could see her tense when being saddled. She had an attitude when it came to loping circles and wouldn't extend out instead road like a jackhammer. She would throw fits over small things like asking her to counter arc or collect up. Over the winter while the grass was dead and she was on grass hay 24/7, she had decreased symptoms, but this spring and summer things were even worse than in the past. We had tried many things from switching saddles & bits to the chiropractor, vet, and equine dentist, but nothing seemed to make a difference. I came across this article just as all of us were reaching our last straw and were starting to think it was just her personality.
After reading this everything began to click into place with her signs and symptoms. I am now happy to say that we have made changes to her diet and exercise schedule and three weeks into the changes we have a horse that will lope relaxed circles and is back on track in the exhibitioning and seasoning process. She is a sweetheart on the ground and will actually come up to you in the pasture to be scratched. She is a completely different horse! I am so glad that you brought this to light to help all of us!
And people like you are the reason I will continue to preach it! So glad to hear of your success!! Please keep us updated! I know I irritate the breeders and bloodline lovers, but there is a reason this even exist! If I can educate the buyers more, then the breeders will be forced to deal with an educated buyer who refuses to buy and support this being bred forward!
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| Well for some reason, this thread has finally clicked on some light bulbs about PSSM.
As for my mare, I wanted to do a little update. I kept her completely off of grass for a month and saw no improvement. In fact, her attitude and soreness levels seemed to increase. So she is back on our limited pasture.
This mare is recovering from an injury to a rear suspensory and DDF tendon and there is STILL something that is right with her. We have an appointment with the vet/chiro and I am hoping that he can either fix her issue or at least shed a little light as to it's source.
I know somewhere in this thread someone said that chromium picolinate was NOT good for PSSM, what about Cinnamon for their metabolism? Anybody have any research on that?
Also, could someone post a link or title of the PSSM Facebook page, pretty please??? |
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Location: sunny california | I would basically avoid anything that is claimed to help in the uptake of glucose. |
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| kwanatha - 2013-08-25 11:03 AM
I would basically avoid anything that is claimed to help in the uptake of glucose.
I would like to see some research on this. My thought was that if the sugar is more efficiently metabolized then it would be used rather than stored in the muscle.
But your advice is respectfully noted. |
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Location: southeast Texas | https://www.facebook.com/groups/202978353056065/
do a search on fb, pssm forums
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Thanks! I just did find it before coming back here to find your response. Have sent a request to join. |
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