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Location: SW MO | CrossDRanch - 2013-12-18 11:14 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 11:08 AM justcruzin - 2013-12-18 11:57 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 7:50 AM jenijill - 2013-12-18 9:58 AM Im going to ask OP this, are you sure Christianity is what you are looking for. Before all of you christians jump on me, there are many religions in the world. Maybe you should look into other religions that may fit your ideals better. I am not a christian but I dont push my religion on others. I think if you are lost and floundering and can not find your way, you may not be looking in the right direction. A custom fit religion that adheres to one's personal desires? Rather than us giving into His will for us and accepting His gift to us? Exactly what Satan loves to hear. Getting us to even think along those lines allows Satan to get a foothold on us, he just wants an opening and he'll do the rest, if we let him. A discussion such as we are having in this forum can work for God or for Satan, it's according one's own personal conviction and strength. As we try so hard to have things our way and turn our backs on the gifts God has given (the scriptures to guide us, his forgiveness through Christ) as Satan convinces us that there are other better ways we only end up suffering the consequences while throwing away the most amazing gifts...abundant life, eternal life, forgiveness of our wrongs, peace that can only come through Him. Makes me sad to think that this happens to people. lol.....that brings up a whole other question....What day is the Sabbath, what is work, and what does it mean to keep it holy?
In the old testament of the Bible the Sabbath was on Saturday, but the resurrection of Christ changed it to Sunday. The crucifixion & resurrection changed many things, such as having to do sacrifices. The verse above tells you no work, while going to a barrel race maybe fun and restful for you, it would be work for your horse. A lot of people say my horse has to earn it's own way. So you might say if you would have your horse even if you didn't barrel race then maybe you could say it was just barrel racing for fun, but if you would sale your horse if you quit barrel racing then racing is it's job | |
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Location: Kentucky | RidenFly - 2013-12-18 12:33 PM This thread is a manifestation of God. One thing led to another in the poster's mind and heart that propelled her to ask the question and now thousands of people are reading these words as we all, in our own way share our interpetations and each of us, are sparking "God" within the heart of a reader who might connect to that special something someone here says.
Merry Christmas and thank you OP for making me feel the spirit this morning. 've been struggling with it.
I struggle too. Every day. I judge people, I cuss, I drink, and probably a lot of other things. But I know my faults and I try to ask for forgiveness for them and to try to be a better person. This thread is helpful. I try hard to realize that no one is perfect and it's a journey every day. I hope God understands that we are all trying to be better people. | |
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| CrossDRanch - 2013-12-18 12:14 PM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 11:08 AM justcruzin - 2013-12-18 11:57 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 7:50 AM jenijill - 2013-12-18 9:58 AM Im going to ask OP this, are you sure Christianity is what you are looking for. Before all of you christians jump on me, there are many religions in the world. Maybe you should look into other religions that may fit your ideals better. I am not a christian but I dont push my religion on others. I think if you are lost and floundering and can not find your way, you may not be looking in the right direction. A custom fit religion that adheres to one's personal desires? Rather than us giving into His will for us and accepting His gift to us? Exactly what Satan loves to hear. Getting us to even think along those lines allows Satan to get a foothold on us, he just wants an opening and he'll do the rest, if we let him. A discussion such as we are having in this forum can work for God or for Satan, it's according one's own personal conviction and strength. As we try so hard to have things our way and turn our backs on the gifts God has given (the scriptures to guide us, his forgiveness through Christ) as Satan convinces us that there are other better ways we only end up suffering the consequences while throwing away the most amazing gifts...abundant life, eternal life, forgiveness of our wrongs, peace that can only come through Him. Makes me sad to think that this happens to people. lol.....that brings up a whole other question....What day is the Sabbath, what is work, and what does it mean to keep it holy?
I certainly acknowledge that one person's Sabbath could be our Saturday and another's would be Sunday according to the denomination you are talking about. I consider Sunday as Sabbath. That is the day the church that I go to assembles as a congregation, it is a day that after church, my family uses as a day of rest and to spend time with each other without the distractions of the world. I'm coming to recognize it, not only as a day of reverence to the Lord, but as a gift that was given to us as a day to rest, spend time with each and get ready for the next 6 days of "stuff". It's turned into a real blessing for us to use it as such. | |
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Location: North Dakota | RidenFly - 2013-12-18 11:33 AM This thread is a manifestation of God. One thing led to another in the poster's mind and heart that propelled her to ask the question and now thousands of people are reading these words as we all, in our own way share our interpetations and each of us, are sparking "God" within the heart of a reader who might connect to that special something someone here says.
Merry Christmas and thank you OP for making me feel the spirit this morning. 've been struggling with it.
Amen! I too have been struggling with some things lately. This post has helped me feel closer to Him once again. | |
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| Murphy - 2013-12-19 9:38 AM RidenFly - 2013-12-18 12:33 PM This thread is a manifestation of God. One thing led to another in the poster's mind and heart that propelled her to ask the question and now thousands of people are reading these words as we all, in our own way share our interpetations and each of us, are sparking "God" within the heart of a reader who might connect to that special something someone here says.
Merry Christmas and thank you OP for making me feel the spirit this morning. 've been struggling with it.
If I didn't cuss and drink, I wouldn't know myself! However, I think I balance it out with good things. I hope.  | |
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Location: Kentucky | RidenFly - 2013-12-18 12:41 PM Murphy - 2013-12-19 9:38 AM RidenFly - 2013-12-18 12:33 PM This thread is a manifestation of God. One thing led to another in the poster's mind and heart that propelled her to ask the question and now thousands of people are reading these words as we all, in our own way share our interpetations and each of us, are sparking "God" within the heart of a reader who might connect to that special something someone here says.
Merry Christmas and thank you OP for making me feel the spirit this morning. 've been struggling with it.
Haha, I know what you mean!
I should ease up on my cussing... just for the sake of my husband who hates it. As far as the drinking... I work for a liquor company, so I'd love to see what the Bible says about drinking. I've never looked into that before. | |
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Location: Midwest | I find this thread interesting. I think it's a good thing when people can discuss their personal beliefs (even when they couldn't be more different) in an open and non-judgemental way. | |
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| Murphy - 2013-12-18 12:38 PM RidenFly - 2013-12-18 12:33 PM This thread is a manifestation of God. One thing led to another in the poster's mind and heart that propelled her to ask the question and now thousands of people are reading these words as we all, in our own way share our interpetations and each of us, are sparking "God" within the heart of a reader who might connect to that special something someone here says.
Merry Christmas and thank you OP for making me feel the spirit this morning. 've been struggling with it.
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | crossspur - 2013-12-18 9:37 AM CrossDRanch - 2013-12-18 11:14 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 11:08 AM justcruzin - 2013-12-18 11:57 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 7:50 AM jenijill - 2013-12-18 9:58 AM Im going to ask OP this, are you sure Christianity is what you are looking for. Before all of you christians jump on me, there are many religions in the world. Maybe you should look into other religions that may fit your ideals better. I am not a christian but I dont push my religion on others. I think if you are lost and floundering and can not find your way, you may not be looking in the right direction. A custom fit religion that adheres to one's personal desires? Rather than us giving into His will for us and accepting His gift to us? Exactly what Satan loves to hear. Getting us to even think along those lines allows Satan to get a foothold on us, he just wants an opening and he'll do the rest, if we let him. A discussion such as we are having in this forum can work for God or for Satan, it's according one's own personal conviction and strength. As we try so hard to have things our way and turn our backs on the gifts God has given (the scriptures to guide us, his forgiveness through Christ) as Satan convinces us that there are other better ways we only end up suffering the consequences while throwing away the most amazing gifts...abundant life, eternal life, forgiveness of our wrongs, peace that can only come through Him. Makes me sad to think that this happens to people. lol.....that brings up a whole other question....What day is the Sabbath, what is work, and what does it mean to keep it holy? In the old testament of the Bible the Sabbath was on Saturday, but the resurrection of Christ changed it to Sunday. The crucifixion & resurrection changed many things, such as having to do sacrifices. The verse above tells you no work, while going to a barrel race maybe fun and restful for you, it would be work for your horse. A lot of people say my horse has to earn it's own way. So you might say if you would have your horse even if you didn't barrel race then maybe you could say it was just barrel racing for fun, but if you would sale your horse if you quit barrel racing then racing is it's job No Change Documented in the Bible In both Old and New Testament there is not a shadow of variation in the doctrine of the Sabbath. The seventh day Saturday, is the only day ever designated by the term Sabbath in the entire Bible. Not only was Jesus a perfect example in observing the weekly seventh-day Sabbath, but all His disciples followed the same pattern after Jesus had gone back to heaven. Yet no intimation of any change of the day is made. The apostle Paul, who wrote pages of counsel about lesser issues of Jewish and Gentile conflicts, had not one word to say about any controversy over the day of worship. Circumcision, foods offered to idols, and other Jewish customs were readily challenged by early Gentile Christians in the church, but the weightier matter of weekly worship never was an issue. Why? For the simple reason that no change was made from the historic seventh day of Old Testament times, and from creation itself. Had there been a switch from the Sabbath to the first day of the week, you can be sure the controversy would have been more explosive than any other to those Jewish Christians..
http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/how-the-sabbath-was-changed.aspx
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Location: The birthplace of Honest Abe | barrelracr131 - 2013-12-18 11:44 AM I find this thread interesting. I think it's a good thing when people can discuss their personal beliefs (even when they couldn't be more different) in an open and non-judgemental way.
Im probably the only non christian posting but I agree. If everyone had acceptence it would be a greater place then it already is. I still believe that people can find their own religion wether it be christianity, jewish, muslim, and the many other religions in our world today. | |
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Location: Texas | As far as the science side of it, have you heard of Dr. Carl Baugh? He takes the bible and proves science. Not the other way around. He also has a musuem in Glen Rose Tx called Creation Evidence.
On the question of what makes me believe...
It was a choice to do so and when I made that choice the rest came alive in my heart. The bible wasn't confusing anymore and the more I read the more I understand and can believe and trust that what He said, He will do it. And because of that I have sooooo many "only God" things happen in my life along with my families'.  | |
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Location: Kentucky | runs4fun - 2013-12-18 12:49 PM Murphy - 2013-12-18 12:38 PM RidenFly - 2013-12-18 12:33 PM This thread is a manifestation of God. One thing led to another in the poster's mind and heart that propelled her to ask the question and now thousands of people are reading these words as we all, in our own way share our interpetations and each of us, are sparking "God" within the heart of a reader who might connect to that special something someone here says.
Merry Christmas and thank you OP for making me feel the spirit this morning. 've been struggling with it.
I do not take the Lord's name in vain. I do use certain words... some are too hardcore for me. I drink socially... mostly at tastings her at work, or a beer or two on the weekend with friends. I cannot handle getting drunk... I think that was God's way of telling me to back off!  | |
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Location: CA | Nevertooold - 2013-12-18 11:36 AM This is an easy question for me...I became a true believer when I had an out of body experience.
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Location: North Dakota | crossspur - 2013-12-18 11:37 AM CrossDRanch - 2013-12-18 11:14 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 11:08 AM justcruzin - 2013-12-18 11:57 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 7:50 AM jenijill - 2013-12-18 9:58 AM Im going to ask OP this, are you sure Christianity is what you are looking for. Before all of you christians jump on me, there are many religions in the world. Maybe you should look into other religions that may fit your ideals better. I am not a christian but I dont push my religion on others. I think if you are lost and floundering and can not find your way, you may not be looking in the right direction. A custom fit religion that adheres to one's personal desires? Rather than us giving into His will for us and accepting His gift to us? Exactly what Satan loves to hear. Getting us to even think along those lines allows Satan to get a foothold on us, he just wants an opening and he'll do the rest, if we let him. A discussion such as we are having in this forum can work for God or for Satan, it's according one's own personal conviction and strength. As we try so hard to have things our way and turn our backs on the gifts God has given (the scriptures to guide us, his forgiveness through Christ) as Satan convinces us that there are other better ways we only end up suffering the consequences while throwing away the most amazing gifts...abundant life, eternal life, forgiveness of our wrongs, peace that can only come through Him. Makes me sad to think that this happens to people. lol.....that brings up a whole other question....What day is the Sabbath, what is work, and what does it mean to keep it holy? In the old testament of the Bible
the Sabbath was on Saturday, but the resurrection of Christ changed it to Sunday.
The crucifixion & resurrection changed many things, such as having to do sacrifices.
The verse above tells you no work, while going to a barrel race maybe fun and restful for you, it would be work for your horse. A lot of people say my horse has to earn it's own way. So you might say if you would have your horse even if you didn't barrel race then maybe you could say it was just barrel racing for fun, but if you would sale your horse if you quit barrel racing then racing is it's job
This is what I have trouble with. I have heard this arguement before but where exactly does the Bible say this? It is one of the Commandments and where in the Bible does it say that the holy Sabbath day has been changed from the 7th day to the 1st? I have never come across a place where it says that.
"2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Genesis 2:2-3 KJV)
"20:8 Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11 KJV)
I have heard that it was changed to the first day because that is the day the Jesus was resurrected but that doesn't make sense either. Christ was crucified the day before Sabbath but not weekly Sabbath. He was crucified before annual Sabbath, Passover. Christ also said that the only proof that he was the Messiah was that he would be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. If he was crucified on Friday and rose on Sunday that would be 2 nights and 1 day. So he was crucified on Wednesday afternoon, with the burial before sunset, and the resurrection was Sabbath afternoon before sunset. When Peter, John, and Mary arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning, the resurrection had already occured. It was before sunrise because it was still dark but the tomb was already empty (John 20:1). If Christ was place in the tomb in later afternoon near sunset (Mathew 27:57), and woulr arise 72 hours later. He would therefore have arisen also on a late afternoon, near sunset, 3 days later.
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Location: Midwest | jenijill - 2013-12-18 11:56 AM barrelracr131 - 2013-12-18 11:44 AM I find this thread interesting. I think it's a good thing when people can discuss their personal beliefs (even when they couldn't be more different) in an open and non-judgemental way. Im probably the only non christian posting but I agree. If everyone had acceptence it would be a greater place then it already is. I still believe that people can find their own religion wether it be christianity, jewish, muslim, and the many other religions in our world today.
I'm an agnostic... so we are both "non-christians" in a sense :)
One thing I have learned how to do (and enjoy) through my job, working with people from all over the world, is to listen to others and understand where they are coming from. Not only is it fascinating, but it helps bring people together.
One of the things I like most about the Christian religions is that Jesus taught one main idea: Love one another. Easy to understand, but hard to do. | |
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Location: Watertown, SD | "You can't know God. But you have to know Him, to know that." Fr. Thomas Hopko
To the OP's question, "What makes me believe?" Or, in my case, what keeps me believing? Different things on different days. It is, after all, a relationship. I have logic-based answers but, to be honest, at the end of the day logic and faith don't have a whole lot of overlap. So many people say that faith is such a hard thing to have. Yet, we don't often realize how much faith we use each and every day. We have faith that the bridge we're about to cross won't collapse. We have faith that the car we're driving won't blow up. We have faith that the horse we're riding won't kill us. We have faith that our heart is going to take its next beat. Faith, faith, faith. But, many struggle with faith in God, who I believe created all of those things that others put their faith in. Ya know what? I don't blame anyone for struggling! It's impossible for us to grasp "God"...to examine Him intellectually and to know His essence. Our minds are incapable of it. Some can't believe in something that they can't understand or examine. My advice to you would be this: Each and every one of us puts faith in other people. Rarely do we find God or excuse God in isolation. If you choose to put your faith in the authors of "Misquoting Jesus," so be it. Why do you have faith that what they are saying is true? What have they done to earn your faith in their words?
Regarding the "mistakes" in the Bible. "Mistakes" is an inaccurate word choice. In order to know that something is a mistake, you have to have the absolute first...the original. That can't exist b/c the Bible didn't fall from the sky in complete form, fully and soley "authored" by God. Rather, we believe that it is the product of God working in relationship with His creation, man, in an inspired form. (There's that word "relationship" again.) But, I absolutely have NO issue with stating that there are *inconsistencies* in a handful of details...none of which have an affect on the overall message but, yes, they are there. I don't worship the Bible, so I have no problem with that. It's a non-issue. If everything was cookie cutter perfect, then I would have huge issues with the Bible. Man isn't perfect and man absolutely had a huge role in the writing, copying, and translating of the writings we refer to collectively as "The Bible." The Bible has a *real* history that occurred in *real* time and the authors were *real* individuals. Each gospel or epistle of the New Testament was written to/for a specific purpose to a specific group of people. OF COURSE there are going to be different things emphasized! Goodness. Don't feel bad if you don't know the history of the writings that are referred to as "The Bible." Most Christians don't even know how it came to be. The Bible is the writings which were canonized by the Church as being the most authoritative among the MANY writings. They had been accepted as reflecting the teachings (the traditions) of the Church loooong before they were called "The New Testament." They were written in the language of the Church, not the language of the world. As such, the writings of the Church can only be understood in their fullness from within that community. Most of it is absolute foolish gibber-gabber to those who are outside of that community. For that reason, I rarely spend more than 2 seconds discussing the Bible with someone who is outside of the Christian community unless I am asked a direct question. It would be similar to discussing horses with a fish. The "opinions" of those who criticize the Bible are meaningless and have no affect on me whatsoever.
It is also true, from a Christian standpoint, that all religions contain various degrees of truth. Again, no problem. The laws of God are written on the hearts of all. All people were/are made in His image. But, we would also say that it is only within Christianity that the fullness of truth can be found. Of course, they all claim that. This is where some logic comes into play. A person has to study the history of those belief systems...and, yes, atheism is a belief system. (The bloodiest one of all, actually.) There are actual uniquenesses that exist within Christianity and set it apart from ALL other belief systems. (For this, I would suggest "Jesus Among Other Gods" by Ravi Zacharaias, who can be trusted...if you have faith in my words. ) Oh...and ensure that you are studying the *actual* belief system and not America's versions of it. Americans LOVE to reinvent religions in their own image!! (And, yes, that includes even Christianity. So beware.)
This is a great question. No other question you'll ask in your lifetime is more important than this one. As you gather information and consider things, keep in mind that if you can find all of the answers, proof and evidence...congratulations. You've just become god. There's a reason that they call it "faith." While logic, intellect and rationalism play a role, it's a very limited one. Very few like that answer, but I'd be lying if I said otherwise. We like the illusion of control. Faith comes to those who let go of it.
May God bless your journey!
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| Murphy - 2013-12-18 12:58 PM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 12:49 PM Murphy - 2013-12-18 12:38 PM RidenFly - 2013-12-18 12:33 PM This thread is a manifestation of God. One thing led to another in the poster's mind and heart that propelled her to ask the question and now thousands of people are reading these words as we all, in our own way share our interpetations and each of us, are sparking "God" within the heart of a reader who might connect to that special something someone here says.
Merry Christmas and thank you OP for making me feel the spirit this morning. 've been struggling with it.
Well, then it sounds like you're doing pretty good! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
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| srs - 2013-12-18 1:17 PM "You can't know God. But you have to know Him, to know that." Fr. Thomas Hopko
To the OP's question, "What makes me believe?" Or, in my case, what keeps me believing? Different things on different days. It is, after all, a relationship. I have logic-based answers but, to be honest, at the end of the day logic and faith don't have a whole lot of overlap. So many people say that faith is such a hard thing to have. Yet, we don't often realize how much faith we use each and every day. We have faith that the bridge we're about to cross won't collapse. We have faith that the car we're driving won't blow up. We have faith that the horse we're riding won't kill us. We have faith that our heart is going to take its next beat. Faith, faith, faith. But, many struggle with faith in God, who I believe created all of those things that others put their faith in. Ya know what? I don't blame anyone for struggling! It's impossible for us to grasp "God"...to examine Him intellectually and to know His essence. Our minds are incapable of it. Some can't believe in something that they can't understand or examine. My advice to you would be this: Each and every one of us puts faith in other people. Rarely do we find God or excuse God in isolation. If you choose to put your faith in the authors of "Misquoting Jesus," so be it. Why do you have faith that what they are saying is true? What have they done to earn your faith in their words?
Regarding the "mistakes" in the Bible. "Mistakes" is an inaccurate word choice. In order to know that something is a mistake, you have to have the absolute first...the original. That can't exist b/c the Bible didn't fall from the sky in complete form, fully and soley "authored" by God. Rather, we believe that it is the product of God working in relationship with His creation, man, in an inspired form. (There's that word "relationship" again.) But, I absolutely have NO issue with stating that there are *inconsistencies* in a handful of details...none of which have an affect on the overall message but, yes, they are there. I don't worship the Bible, so I have no problem with that. It's a non-issue. If everything was cookie cutter perfect, then I would have huge issues with the Bible. Man isn't perfect and man absolutely had a huge role in the writing, copying, and translating of the writings we refer to collectively as "The Bible." The Bible has a *real* history that occurred in *real* time and the authors were *real* individuals. Each gospel or epistle of the New Testament was written to/for a specific purpose to a specific group of people. OF COURSE there are going to be different things emphasized! Goodness. Don't feel bad if you don't know the history of the writings that are referred to as "The Bible." Most Christians don't even know how it came to be. The Bible is the writings which were canonized by the Church as being the most authoritative among the MANY writings. They had been accepted as reflecting the teachings (the traditions) of the Church loooong before they were called "The New Testament." They were written in the language of the Church, not the language of the world. As such, the writings of the Church can only be understood in their fullness from within that community. Most of it is absolute foolish gibber-gabber to those who are outside of that community. For that reason, I rarely spend more than 2 seconds discussing the Bible with someone who is outside of the Christian community unless I am asked a direct question. It would be similar to discussing horses with a fish. The "opinions" of those who criticize the Bible are meaningless and have no affect on me whatsoever.
It is also true, from a Christian standpoint, that all religions contain various degrees of truth. Again, no problem. The laws of God are written on the hearts of all. All people were/are made in His image. But, we would also say that it is only within Christianity that the fullness of truth can be found. Of course, they all claim that. This is where some logic comes into play. A person has to study the history of those belief systems...and, yes, atheism is a belief system. (The bloodiest one of all, actually.) There are actual uniquenesses that exist within Christianity and set it apart from ALL other belief systems. (For this, I would suggest "Jesus Among Other Gods" by Ravi Zacharaias, who can be trusted...if you have faith in my words. ) Oh...and ensure that you are studying the *actual* belief system and not America's versions of it. Americans LOVE to reinvent religions in their own image!! (And, yes, that includes even Christianity. So beware.)
This is a great question. No other question you'll ask in your lifetime is more important than this one. As you gather information and consider things, keep in mind that if you can find all of the answers, proof and evidence...congratulations. You've just become god. There's a reason that they call it "faith." While logic, intellect and rationalism play a role, it's a very limited one. Very few like that answer, but I'd be lying if I said otherwise. We like the illusion of control. Faith comes to those who let go of it.
May God bless your journey! You've made some EXCELLENT points! Faith does require us relinquishing control. This is a link to an excellent video about letting go of that control mentality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhfUzodLRvk
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Location: SW MO | Just Bring It - 2013-12-18 12:05 PM crossspur - 2013-12-18 11:37 AM CrossDRanch - 2013-12-18 11:14 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 11:08 AM justcruzin - 2013-12-18 11:57 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 7:50 AM jenijill - 2013-12-18 9:58 AM Im going to ask OP this, are you sure Christianity is what you are looking for. Before all of you christians jump on me, there are many religions in the world. Maybe you should look into other religions that may fit your ideals better. I am not a christian but I dont push my religion on others. I think if you are lost and floundering and can not find your way, you may not be looking in the right direction. A custom fit religion that adheres to one's personal desires? Rather than us giving into His will for us and accepting His gift to us? Exactly what Satan loves to hear. Getting us to even think along those lines allows Satan to get a foothold on us, he just wants an opening and he'll do the rest, if we let him. A discussion such as we are having in this forum can work for God or for Satan, it's according one's own personal conviction and strength. As we try so hard to have things our way and turn our backs on the gifts God has given (the scriptures to guide us, his forgiveness through Christ) as Satan convinces us that there are other better ways we only end up suffering the consequences while throwing away the most amazing gifts...abundant life, eternal life, forgiveness of our wrongs, peace that can only come through Him. Makes me sad to think that this happens to people. lol.....that brings up a whole other question....What day is the Sabbath, what is work, and what does it mean to keep it holy? In the old testament of the Bible
the Sabbath was on Saturday, but the resurrection of Christ changed it to Sunday.
The crucifixion & resurrection changed many things, such as having to do sacrifices.
The verse above tells you no work, while going to a barrel race maybe fun and restful for you, it would be work for your horse. A lot of people say my horse has to earn it's own way. So you might say if you would have your horse even if you didn't barrel race then maybe you could say it was just barrel racing for fun, but if you would sale your horse if you quit barrel racing then racing is it's job
This is what I have trouble with. I have heard this arguement before but where exactly does the Bible say this? It is one of the Commandments and where in the Bible does it say that the holy Sabbath day has been changed from the 7th day to the 1st? I have never come across a place where it says that.
"2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Genesis 2:2-3 KJV)
"20:8 Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11 KJV)
I have heard that it was changed to the first day because that is the day the Jesus was resurrected but that doesn't make sense either. Christ was crucified the day before Sabbath but not weekly Sabbath. He was crucified before annual Sabbath, Passover. Christ also said that the only proof that he was the Messiah was that he would be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. If he was crucified on Friday and rose on Sunday that would be 2 nights and 1 day. So he was crucified on Wednesday afternoon, with the burial before sunset, and the resurrection was Sabbath afternoon before sunset. When Peter, John, and Mary arrived at the tomb early Sunday morning, the resurrection had already occured. It was before sunrise because it was still dark but the tomb was already empty (John 20:1). If Christ was place in the tomb in later afternoon near sunset (Mathew 27:57), and woulr arise 72 hours later. He would therefore have arisen also on a late afternoon, near sunset, 3 days later.
So I guess I just have trouble understanding how Sunday became the new Sabbath?
Schaff writes in the Schaff- Herzog Encyclopedia of religious knowledge 1891 Ed., vol.4 Article on Sunday. "Sunday… was adopted by the early Christians as a day of worship.. . Sunday was emphatically the weekly feast of the resurrection of Christ, as the Jewish Sabbath was the feast of creation. It was called the Lords day, and upon it the primitive church assembled to break bread. No regulations for its observance are laid down in the new testament nor, indeed, is its observance even enjoined. Yet Christian feeling led to the universal adoption of the day, in imitation of the apostolic precedence. In the second century its observance was universal." In other words this wasn’t to replace the Sabbath but held as a whole new day for a new dispensation | |
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| runs4fun - 2013-12-18 11:49 AM Murphy - 2013-12-18 12:38 PM RidenFly - 2013-12-18 12:33 PM This thread is a manifestation of God. One thing led to another in the poster's mind and heart that propelled her to ask the question and now thousands of people are reading these words as we all, in our own way share our interpetations and each of us, are sparking "God" within the heart of a reader who might connect to that special something someone here says.
Merry Christmas and thank you OP for making me feel the spirit this morning. 've been struggling with it.
This reminds me of an argument I had with a coworker back in college...
He ALWAYS was using the Lord's name in vein (GD, JC) and one day I finally confronted him about it and he just went crazy on me and it ignited a whole discussion on cussing (because I cuss).
In my opinion, there is cussing and there is cursing. If you were to stub your toe and yell F*$#...that would be cussing....you are not harming anyone's feelings, you are just expressing how much it hurts.
If you go up to someone and say F*$# YOU....THAT is cursing, and THAT is using those words to intentionally hurt someone. So that's where I stand on that subject.
As for believing, I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I don't think I'd be where I am with all the blessings that I have without my relationship with God. It's just unexplainable to me...how I can be having a HORRIBLE day or week but the second I read something from the Bible or hear the Word at church, everything is just lifted and I feel great! It's absolutely crazy to me the amount of times I've gone to church and that week is the EXACT topic I NEEDED to hear to know that God knows what I've been dealing with at that very moment.
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