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Go Man Go on the bottom might be the other part of the issues you had with this horse. They could tend to be pretty tough minded. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | RidenFly - 2014-01-16 10:06 AM Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-16 10:45 AM Doc Bar, those with him up closer or more than once, only buckers I've ever had.
And Little Peppy (Peppy San Badger), those who really got his performance cutting gene are so stingy and watchy and reactive, they really aren't fun to ride.
I thought I was making this up in my mind but for whatever reason, Doc Bar up close and I are like oil and water. I don't get em'
There's a lot of Doc Bar in my area. Some just don't click with them. For me personally I love them. Gritty as hell. |
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| ive had 2 hancocks and they have been nothing but the best colts. very easy to train and want to learn. very smart!! |
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| This thread reminds me that I do have a confession. For a long time, and until recently I have been very opposed to chicks deck horses. I had an opinion of them based on 4 mares that were all granddaughters. These were some nasty, rank horses. Chick deck was the only thing these horses had in common on their papers. I have always included chicks beduino into that oppinion, and refused to touch one, until about a month ago. For the last month I have been riding a son of chicks beduino. What a nice horse. Wyoming Barrel Racer is going to think I'm crazy for this turn around, but this horse is really nice. |
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Location: The edge of no where | rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.
Argh....... If its not UP CLOSE, as in sire/dam, I don't get blaming it on anything else. It's annoying to listen to someone say they have a 'dash to cash' just for example......and then you look, it's 4 generations back.
Just seem like pointless generalizations that aren't really based on much, but by gosh there was 1 name that's recognized on the papers so that much be the issue. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-01-17 12:25 PM RidenFly - 2014-01-16 10:06 AM Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-16 10:45 AM Doc Bar, those with him up closer or more than once, only buckers I've ever had.
And Little Peppy (Peppy San Badger), those who really got his performance cutting gene are so stingy and watchy and reactive, they really aren't fun to ride.
I thought I was making this up in my mind but for whatever reason, Doc Bar up close and I are like oil and water. I don't get em'
I'm not blaming the horse. Apparently, I'm only happy if I'm riding a cotton ball. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Whiteboy - 2014-01-16 2:27 PM This thread reminds me that I do have a confession. For a long time, and until recently I have been very opposed to chicks deck horses. I had an opinion of them based on 4 mares that were all granddaughters. These were some nasty, rank horses. Chick deck was the only thing these horses had in common on their papers. I have always included chicks beduino into that oppinion, and refused to touch one, until about a month ago. For the last month I have been riding a son of chicks beduino. What a nice horse. Wyoming Barrel Racer is going to think I'm crazy for this turn around, but this horse is really nice. I had always steered clear of chicks Bed just because of all the people that didn't like them on this site. Well, we bought a grandaughter, bred her and got one of the classiest, smartest fillies that has been a dream to start and is pictured as a yearling below. Liked her so much we found a daughter of CB and she is due to foal in April. I'm glad we took the plunge and gave this line a go also :)
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Location: Jasper, Tx | I don't have any certain bloodlines that I don't get along with, but I do stay away from PAINT HORSES!!!!!!! 
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | This is the one I never want back. He was bred in the purple and I traded him for a grade mare that was a trail horse.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gin+and+it2
I'm not sure which side the bad came from but it makes me a little gun shy of the Raise Your Glass horses. Could have been the other side just as easy though. He was OTTB when I got him. Took 6 weeks, yes, 6 weeks, of working every single day to get him to pick up a right lead. Not a lead change but just to pick it up period. He had no work ethic, was horse sour, and ugly to boot. I looked him up tonight after not thinking about him in years. His papers are still in my name. His new owners must have liked him as much as me to not transfer the papers in the last 15 years.
We have 2 mares here that are Peppy San Badger bred. Both of them will be here until they die. They've had long successful careers. One is APHA ( http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+brigalena+pep) and the other AQHA ( http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hr+smokin+rum) and both are reiners. They are athletic and smart and they give 110% every time. I wasn't sure about the QH to start with. She had a decent amount of NRHA earnings but had been off for several years. We just got her last year and I'd only been riding her for a little over a month when we went to our first show. It was just a schooling show and when she walked into the arena she was totally a different horse. Our first maneuver in the pattern was a spin. She was trying to crowhop and spin at the same time. There was no way a horse as broke as she is was getting away with that crap so I picked up both reins and schooled her during the class. She has won every class I've had her in since then. She is no nonsense and fun to ride but definitely not a horse for everyone. You better be in the middle of the saddle when you send her for a rundown because she can flat fly and there is no slowing her down until she hears the magic word.
The APHA mares first foal was born in June ( http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/the+delta+debutante ). She has been a delight to work with and I expect her to be like her mother, only quicker. She is by a very nice local cutting stallion.
We also recently acquired a gelding that is Peppy San Badger bred ( http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dunit+in+creme ). The jury is still out on him. He is big for a reiner - at least 15.2 and when he's just running around loose and playing he can get so low to the ground and rollback so quick it is unreal. He's broke but we got him so late in the year that we haven't done much with him.
I also have a Zippo Pine Bar gelding with some other really old bloodlines. (http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/zip+me+jr). He is athletic but a little fragile minded when he is out of his comfort zone. I'm not sure where it comes from on him but I'd prefer to stay away from anymore like him even though most of the time he is a joy to ride.
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I swore I would never have an On The Money Red horse after having a gelding that a total nut case. He was a complete idiot of a horse. Spooked ate everything, stupid as the day was long and I couldnt get him to run a set of cans to save my life. Now, two horses later, I have an OTMR mare and I love her to pieces. So I think its unfair to judge bloodlines. Just judge every horse individually. That being said, im still very cautious around OTMR horses. Most of them I have seen are just retarded. I hate telling people that my mare is bred that way because I dont want to give any credit to that bloodline. When they ask, she is a Doc O Lena mare. 
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Location: Texas | Lucks Lucky. Had a daughter with no work ethic, chicken hearted, serious oppositional defiance disorder. Will never have another. |
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Location: Georgia | Whiteboy - 2014-01-16 5:27 PM This thread reminds me that I do have a confession. For a long time, and until recently I have been very opposed to chicks deck horses. I had an opinion of them based on 4 mares that were all granddaughters. These were some nasty, rank horses. Chick deck was the only thing these horses had in common on their papers. I have always included chicks beduino into that oppinion, and refused to touch one, until about a month ago. For the last month I have been riding a son of chicks beduino. What a nice horse. Wyoming Barrel Racer is going to think I'm crazy for this turn around, but this horse is really nice.
I owned a Chicks Deck granddaughter. Bred out the wazoo and could really scoot. She was a little quirky (snobby) but man, she was a great mare. Level headed, built right and very stoic. Taught me what barrel racing was all about what what it felt like to win. Her only foal is owned by a good friend of mine and always places in the 1D. I'll always be attracted to Chicks Deck/Jet Deck/Easy Jet horses because of this mare.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kingdom+lynette
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| Resale: Impressive and Hancock. My overall experience: Zevi and Beduino. I have noticed that when on the bottom side they are more tolerable. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MS2011 - 2014-01-16 4:38 PM
rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.Just seem like pointless generalizations that aren't really based on much, but by gosh there was 1 name that's recognized on the papers so that much be the issue.
How many generations do you have to get away from Impressive before HYPP stops kicking in? If that lasts so long why not a bad attitude?   |
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Location: MD | I don't have bloodlines that I would swear off, per se. I do have a couple of bloodlines that I know I personally don't mesh with super well. One of those happens to be Watch Jo Jack. Funny part is, I have two horses in the barn with Watch Jo Jack Dakota on their papers. One is a very nice, finished horse, who I love, but do not like. The other is a prospect whom I adore, but can still feel the things in that I don't like about the line. |
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| I enjoy these types of posts ....
I notice that most disliked bloodlines are the fast horses that scare the pants off of someone that does not have the riding ability to stay in rhythm with the horse ... or are used to the cold blooded ranch horses and a horse on the muscle freaks them out ... lol
It is the same with exercise riders or jockeys at the track .... over half of the jockeys are coasters and are riding for the day money .... a top jockey can get on the same horse and make it look easy to win the race ...
I dislike seeing great sires names drug thru the dirt when they are several generations back with several generations of trash horses are up in front ...
If these horses from the great sires were untrainable or crazy their sires would have never commanded the stud fees they do or did and their progeny win records would not amount to a hill of beans .....
Always ask where they bought the horse they are dissing and what they paid for it ... that will tell you more than you want to know ....
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Location: Phoenix | Deedoe - 2014-01-16 6:21 PM I don't have any certain bloodlines that I don't get along with, but I do stay away from PAINT HORSES!!!!!!!
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| MS2011 - 2014-01-16 4:38 PM rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.
Just seem like pointless generalizations that aren't really based on much, but by gosh there was 1 name that's recognized on the papers so that much be the issue.
She was a DAUGHTER of Bully Bullion - don't think you can get much closer. |
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| komet. - 2014-01-17 12:34 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-16 4:38 PM rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.
Just seem like pointless generalizations that aren't really based on much, but by gosh there was 1 name that's recognized on the papers so that much be the issue. How many generations do you have to get away from Impressive before HYPP stops kicking in? If that lasts so long why not a bad attitude?
It will never go away as long as people keep breeding horses that carry the N/H and H/H gene. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 1:32 PM Griz - 2014-01-16 11:33 AM rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.
Makeover a Bully 5113331 2006 sorrel mare
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Raise Your Glass (TB) 1968
T0118794 chestnut
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Raise a Native (TB) 1961
T0116267 chestnut
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Special Effort 1979
1962337 sorrel
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Champagne Woman (TB) 1963
T0152824 chestnut
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Go Effortlessly 1969
0912824 sorrel
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Double Devil 1962
0213370 sorrel
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Bully Bullion 1984
2357501 bay
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Hijo Beauty (TB) 1955
T0057941 bay
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Bond Issue 1955
0103728 brown
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Bymeabond (TB) 1942
T0054155 bay
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Mary Poppins 1963
0274441 brown
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Queenie 1937
0002543 bay
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Raza 1953
0053974 chestnut
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Spotted Bull (TB) 1946
T0065183 bay
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Ariel Lady 1946
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L'Natural (TB) 1973
T0248718 chestnut
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Raise a Native (TB) 1961
T0116267 chestnut
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Raise a Secret 1983
2361537 sorrel
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Mellow Marsh (TB) 1963
T0239451 chestnut
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Ala Secret Sue 1975
1308451 bay
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Alamitos Bar 1959
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Remake 1993
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Sully's Secret (TB) 1955
T0065460 chestnut
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Merridoc 1977
1308642 chestnut
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Tiny's Gay 1972
0856846 brown
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Making Merri 1986
2454192 chestnut
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Sparkling Tip 1966
0540692 chestnut
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2093122 sorrel
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Hempen (TB) 1962
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My point was, how do you know it wasn't the mare side that contributed to the disposition?
Could have been the mare side that caused her to be a total brain fart 24/7 - I don't know. I just know that after my experience with her - and with a friend's gelding who was a son of Bully. I am not interested in another one. There are 16514651654 others to chose from so I won't pick one that didn't work for me. I would take another Bugs Alive in 75, Kitaman, OR a 2-Eyed Jack, (which aren't populare with most), in a heartbeat - the reason? - Because my experiences with them have been positive. I'm far from a genetics expert, so I can't explain why this mare was a nutcase, but she was entirely too hot for the arena. |
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