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Location: mn | The more posts I read, the more ticked I get. Thankfully I did not pre-enter this weekend, so I'm out nothing. But I'm so mad for those of you trying to do the right thing and are being denied 100% of your fees by the producer. What is more ridiculous, is that there was a back-up date for this race? If this virus is not enough cause to fall back on that back-up date, what the heck is? I'm really surprised that this facillity, who was so pro-active when this outbreak started, is going through with it. They have another barrel race scheduled two weeks after this one that would draw a lot of entries.They'll be lucky to have it. Not to mention all the other non-barrel racing events they host. The draw for Race for the Roses is up. And there are entries that were at BRF. Now I'm not saying that these horses are not healthy, and maybe no threat. But why take that chance? Kansas has ONE documented case that came out of Lincoln. They managed to cancel and reschedule their NBHA state finals, yet we're in the freakin hotzone, have had how many confirmed cases and yet can't manage to postpone this. Amazing. Then take into account the weather we're having this week with temps well below average. (infact it's snowing here and in the low 30's) Perfect conditions for this virus to thrive. The last documented case in MN was April 8th I believe. It went dark for awhile and things were quiet, but it's reared its ugly head again. If the facility and producer chose to go on as scheduled, it's reckless and a lack of common sense. Hats off to KS NBHA state finals and the producers of Triple Turn Classic that are being proactive and postponed their events. RHR & R4R's, wish you could do the same instead of contribute to the possible spread of this virus. | |
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| northerngirl - 2014-04-29 9:07 PM
The more posts I read, the more ticked I get. Thankfully I did not pre-enter this weekend, so I'm out nothing. But I'm so mad for those of you trying to do the right thing and are being denied 100% of your fees by the producer. What is more ridiculous, is that there was a back-up date for this race? If this virus is not enough cause to fall back on that back-up date, what the heck is?  I'm really surprised that this facillity, who was so pro-active when this outbreak started, is going through with it. They have another barrel race scheduled two weeks after this one that would draw a lot of entries.They'll be lucky to have it. Not to mention all the other non-barrel racing events they host. The draw for Race for the Roses is up. And there are entries that were at BRF. Now I'm not saying that these horses are not healthy, and maybe no threat. But why take that chance? Kansas has ONE documented case that came out of Lincoln. They managed to cancel and reschedule their NBHA state finals, yet we're in the freakin hotzone, have had how many confirmed cases and yet can't manage to postpone this. Amazing. Then take into account the weather we're having this week with temps well below average. (infact it's snowing here and in the low 30's) Perfect conditions for this virus to thrive. The last documented case in MN was April 8th I believe. It went dark for awhile and things were quiet, but it's reared its ugly head again. If the facility and producer chose to go on as scheduled, it's reckless and a lack of common sense. Hats off to KS NBHA state finals and the producers of Triple Turn Classic that are being proactive and postponed their events. RHR & R4R's, wish you could do the same instead of contribute to the possible spread of this virus.
Red horse almost hosted a WSCA show there while the voluntary no haul was in place. I think enough people complained that they cancelled because there wasnt as much loss there. However, I dont think they have necessarily been as pro-active as other venues. | |
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Location: WI | It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It's hard because I like the producer and her family, but if they can move it back they should. That's how I feel. I think if enough people are willing to speak out and maybe they will act. If that happens then this thread could wind up being one of the best threads we've had in a long time. She should talk to Renea Bolling and ask if she's getting some heat....I bet she is, big time. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again.
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Location: WI | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 9:22 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. What were the dates at Lincoln? How long ago was it?
April 10-13, so 16 days have passed. | |
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| linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM
It's a tough call. Â I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. Â It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. Â He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. Â I'm just on the fence still. Â RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. Â
Honestly I think "minimal" is a very vague term that cannot be determined based on the information we have now. With the horses being affected ranging all across the board in age, gender, hauling, etc. I dont think theres enough known about this virus. As many of said, this virus strives in this type of environment and I just think is this race worth it? If it continues to spread and people keep going to these events, we may never get to show. When things were pretty much all cancelled for awhile thats when we saw a break in it.
I dunno I guess for me, I would like to show but I am also not willing to risk my horse to do so. You make sacrifices for the things you love. | |
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Location: Kansas | linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again.
I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 4:43 PM Health papers are required to cross state lines so if you cannot get a health papers for your horse how can they not vet you out? Are they promoting you haul illegally across state lines?
ETA: The fact that they aren't requiring current health papers does not sit well with me either. I went to a run on Saturday that was a one day run without any stalling that required current health papers. If they feel the absolute need to have this weekend run during this current out-break at least require a VERY current health papers!
Not only a very current health paper but have the vet write the temp of the horse down and the date/time the temp was taken. I see too many vets that don't actually check horses over. | |
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Location: mn | stayceem - 2014-04-29 9:09 PM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 9:07 PM The more posts I read, the more ticked I get. Thankfully I did not pre-enter this weekend, so I'm out nothing. But I'm so mad for those of you trying to do the right thing and are being denied 100% of your fees by the producer. What is more ridiculous, is that there was a back-up date for this race? If this virus is not enough cause to fall back on that back-up date, what the heck is? I'm really surprised that this facillity, who was so pro-active when this outbreak started, is going through with it. They have another barrel race scheduled two weeks after this one that would draw a lot of entries.They'll be lucky to have it. Not to mention all the other non-barrel racing events they host. The draw for Race for the Roses is up. And there are entries that were at BRF. Now I'm not saying that these horses are not healthy, and maybe no threat. But why take that chance? Kansas has ONE documented case that came out of Lincoln. They managed to cancel and reschedule their NBHA state finals, yet we're in the freakin hotzone, have had how many confirmed cases and yet can't manage to postpone this. Amazing. Then take into account the weather we're having this week with temps well below average. (infact it's snowing here and in the low 30's) Perfect conditions for this virus to thrive. The last documented case in MN was April 8th I believe. It went dark for awhile and things were quiet, but it's reared its ugly head again. If the facility and producer chose to go on as scheduled, it's reckless and a lack of common sense. Hats off to KS NBHA state finals and the producers of Triple Turn Classic that are being proactive and postponed their events. RHR & R4R's, wish you could do the same instead of contribute to the possible spread of this virus. Red horse almost hosted a WSCA show there while the voluntary no haul was in place. I think enough people complained that they cancelled because there wasnt as much loss there. However, I dont think they have necessarily been as pro-active as other venues.
I did not know that. I gave them too much credit! 
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM
linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. Â I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. Â It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. Â He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. Â I'm just on the fence still. Â RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. Â
I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
My understanding is yes, a horse can become a "shedder" without symptoms of their own. | |
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Location: So. California | Ashley Gustafson - 2014-04-29 8:14 AM I think it's also important that people know this virus has evolved from what we have seen I the past, in the past or was a 7-14 day incubation period. This time around its much longer. 10-20 days. My vet who has been hands on with this from Stillwater said it's longer than what they have seen before.
Bumping this up for those who didn't see that the incubation period is longer now...
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
In listening to the UC Davis webcast I believe (listen yourself to be 100 percent) he said typical it incubates within nine days. But it can be longer so they take it out to recomending 24 or so. Also any virus and body react differently. The horses with the latest cases were put down around the 24, this doens't mean the symptoms started that day or were even immediately noticable when they did begin. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | linds - 2014-04-29 9:23 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 9:22 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. What were the dates at Lincoln? How long ago was it?
16 days isn't out of the woods yet, I don't think. I think you need to be 3 weeks out...20 days. | |
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Location: WI | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
If a horse was at Lincoln, it most likely would have shown signs before it went to a show 2 weeks later. The incubation time is 4-6 days, horses will spike a temp 8-12 days before showing neuro signs, so check temps. The horse in WI was noticed with neuro signs 4/23, so 10 days after leaving Lincoln.
There is some good information on the U of MN fb page, here:
https://www.facebook.com/94542446302/photos/a.421751231302.222134.94542446302/10152342758076303/?type=1&theater
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| Frenchie - 2014-04-29 9:39 PM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
I really feel that the horses at Lincoln got it from a non-symptomatic shedder. I mean no horses there went down or were so snotty that people noticed. During and after running it would be noticeable. This is just IMO, but it adds up. | |
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Location: Kansas | Nateracer - 2014-04-29 9:45 PM
Frenchie - 2014-04-29 9:39 PM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. Â I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. Â It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. Â He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. Â I'm just on the fence still. Â RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. Â I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
A non-symptomatic shedder is what scares me the most with all this.
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Location: Small Town Iowa | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM
linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. Â I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. Â It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. Â He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. Â I'm just on the fence still. Â RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. Â
I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
This question is at the back of my mind. Could it be possible that we have a few "Thyphoid Mary's" out there that are healthy but still shedding the virus? | |
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Location: PNW | jcrouse - 2014-04-29 10:35 PM
rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM
linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. Â I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. Â It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. Â He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. Â I'm just on the fence still. Â RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. Â
I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
This question is at the back of my mind. Could it be possible that we have a few "Thyphoid Mary's" out there that are healthy but still shedding the virus?
Undoubtedly. Which is WHY EVERYONE SHOULD STAY HOME. Yes it sucks, I did it in 2011. But 3 weeks goes by quickly... Especially if you have a healthy horse to ride and take your mind off the fact that you aren't running. | |
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