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della
Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2014-09-22 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: another awful horse starving case :-(



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I wish all starved and neglected horses caused this much outrage ..... maybe it would become far less common.
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jbhoot
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-09-22 3:50 PM
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ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM

LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. 

I believe he was the agent.
 
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/

Yes Bowling was the agent in the sale. The previous poster miss Quoted what he said. He never said he owned him but feels responsible since he handled the sale. The interview is on face book.
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LRQHS
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Posted 2014-09-22 3:50 PM
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Maybe a timeline of sorts.... 
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Posted 2014-09-22 3:51 PM
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della - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM I wish all starved and neglected horses caused this much outrage ..... maybe it would become far less common.

No joke.  
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jbhoot
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-09-22 3:58 PM
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LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM

ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. 
I believe he was the agent.

 
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/

Ok, so he's the agent, not CT? I feel like we need a list of player's and what role they actually played in all of this. 

Bowling was the general manger at the Babcock ranch.
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LRQHS
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Posted 2014-09-22 4:00 PM
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jbhoot - 2014-09-22 3:58 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM
ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. 
I believe he was the agent.

 
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/
Ok, so he's the agent, not CT? I feel like we need a list of player's and what role they actually played in all of this. 
Bowling was the general manger at the Babcock ranch.

And, the current owner has had him for how many years? 
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ThreeCorners
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2014-09-22 4:05 PM
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LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM
ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. 
I believe he was the agent.

 
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/
Ok, so he's the agent, not CT? I feel like we need a list of player's and what role they actually played in all of this. 

If memory serves me right, Pete Bowling worked for Babcocks back when. I believe Dual Peppy stood at Babcock ranch at one time.  
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Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2014-09-22 4:11 PM
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Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-22 2:32 PM
cobrlracer - 2014-09-22 1:44 PM Babcocks have never claimed to own him, they put the deal together and this happened over 14 years ago! I personally was sitting with C.T. When he heard the news and he had tears running! I know a lot of people on this site hide behind fake names and profiles but I won't! Nor will I not stand up for so someone that is just trying to do the right thing! If it hadnt been for CT and Kellene this story would have already been yesterday's news! Rande
Just kinda rubbed me wrong on you saying people hide behind a fake name on here, that is wrong, there is many on here that help out others when needed. Nobody is hiding... 

I can attest to that!!!! the part about the great people on this sight helping others!!! 
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LRQHS
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Posted 2014-09-22 4:15 PM
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I'm not sure how they walked in to that barn to feed with all those dead horses. You know that stunk. 
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Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-09-22 4:16 PM
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della - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM I wish all starved and neglected horses caused this much outrage ..... maybe it would become far less common.

The picture of the gray horse last week found chained to a tree in the woods and the chain was around the horses neck tied low made me sick 
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hoofs_in_motion
Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2014-09-22 4:27 PM
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SG. - 2014-09-22 4:16 PM
della - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM I wish all starved and neglected horses caused this much outrage ..... maybe it would become far less common.
The picture of the gray horse last week found chained to a tree in the woods and the chain was around the horses neck tied low made me sick 

was that horse dead? I saw a glimpse but couldn't look at it :
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jbhoot
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-09-22 4:33 PM
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LRQHS - 2014-09-22 4:00 PM

jbhoot - 2014-09-22 3:58 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM
ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 3:44 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 3:29 PM Ok, I'm not seeing a Bowling on the owner list either......I think it's fairly safe to say that almost any person that knows who this horse is would be willing to take him in and take care of him. I'm going to go ahead and throw my name into the hat too. I'll be more that happy to take him and give him a loving home. 
I believe he was the agent.

 
http://oasisranchinc.com/pete-bowling/
Ok, so he's the agent, not CT? I feel like we need a list of player's and what role they actually played in all of this. 
Bowling was the general manger at the Babcock ranch.

And, the current owner has had him for how many years? 

Don't hold this as fact but as I remember Dual Peppy was breed and foaled on the Babcock Ranch. The mare he is out of was owned by someone in Canada. I don't think he ever left until he was sold around 6 or 7. But that was about 16 or so years ago. I do remember that it was a big deal at the in the reining and cutting business it was rumored at the time it was for a heck of a lot of money. But as I said I am getting old so don't hold this as fact.
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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-09-22 4:53 PM
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LRQHS - 2014-09-22 1:24 PM Who has AQHA money? I'm out. Is Dual Peppy still siring offspring? He's 22, right? 

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Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-09-22 4:54 PM
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hoofs_in_motion - 2014-09-22 4:27 PM
SG. - 2014-09-22 4:16 PM
della - 2014-09-22 3:49 PM I wish all starved and neglected horses caused this much outrage ..... maybe it would become far less common.
The picture of the gray horse last week found chained to a tree in the woods and the chain was around the horses neck tied low made me sick 
was that horse dead? I saw a glimpse but couldn't look at it :

I don't know  It made me sick 
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firewaterfuelsme
Reg. Feb 2013
Posted 2014-09-22 6:21 PM
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Justice for Dual Peppy

7 mins · Edited · A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN! - We have just been told that the Humane Society is on their way to confiscate the horses & get them the help they need! Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU ARE ALL AWESOME!!! We were able to reach over 583,000 people worldwide in less than 24 hours & bring these horses to safety! My heart is just overwhelmed with emotion! Thank you! -- WE COULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT YOU! You all are my heros!  Kellie


Awesome news for these poor horses! Glad to know they will be cared for until this messgets sorted out. Praying for justice.
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GoGaited
Reg. May 2013
Posted 2014-09-22 6:34 PM
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jbhoot - 2014-09-22 8:00 AM
SKM - 2014-09-22 7:45 AM  There is no excuse for starving any horse, let alone a horse like Dual Peppy. As for the skeletal remains...it is illegal to bury a large animal in the state if CO due to ground water contamination. I'm not trying to support the owner by any means or excuss the condition of the animals. But maybe covering them in lime and tarping the bodies was her way if disposing of them by not burying them. I know a guy that lives by me dumps the bodies of his dead cows in his aug pond right by the highway and let's Mother Nature take her course. It's gross. But it's legal. I also have to question why the State wasn't contacted by anyone. The State has a division that specializes in large animal cruelty. The El Paso County Sheriffs,all the horse rescue ggroups, the media, etc didn't contact them. Why? Seems to me they would be the first place to contact. Yes, the condition of the horses is wrong and something needs to be done. But I think there us a lot more to the story than meets the eye. Especially given that the main group that specializes in these cases has yet to be contacted.
This just came out on Friday so maybe they will be brought in today. There is a campaign to call every one in government today going on the face book page.

I had to put my yearling down in June.  Since I have to board, burying was not an option for me either. The b**** that starved and abused these horses should have called a rendering truck.  That's what I had to do.  There is NO EXCUSE for this situation, NONE.
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GoGaited
Reg. May 2013
Posted 2014-09-22 6:42 PM
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SKM - 2014-09-22 10:44 AM  JMHO but if it wasn't for Babcock's poor business practices, Dual Peppy never would have been put in this situation to begin with. Seems to me that they don't deserve him back either. Now I'm going to have to Google. Seems like he was sold when Babcock's declared bankruptcy a few years ago. I could be wrong though.

Wow.  So someone loses his business, goes bankrupt, does the right thing and sells the animals, versus locking it in a barn to starve to death and it's his fault that b**** did what she did?  And if his financial situation is better now, he doesn't "deserve" to buy the horse back?  Talk about judgmental and skewed thinking.  Better hope you never have a financial crisis and have to sell your animals.
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Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2014-09-22 7:00 PM
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Justice for Dual Peppy

7 mins · Edited · A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN! - We have just been told that the Humane Society is on their way to confiscate the horses & get them the help they need! Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU ARE ALL AWESOME!!! We were able to reach over 583,000 people worldwide in less than 24 hours & bring these horses to safety! My heart is just overwhelmed with emotion! Thank you! -- WE COULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT YOU! You all are my heros!  Kellie


Awesome news for these poor horses! Glad to know they will be cared for until this messgets sorted out. Praying for justice.

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Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-09-22 7:18 PM
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firewaterfuelsme - 2014-09-22 6:21 PM Justice for Dual Peppy 7 mins · Edited · A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN! - We have just been told that the Humane Society is on their way to confiscate the horses & get them the help they need! Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU ARE ALL AWESOME!!! We were able to reach over 583,000 people worldwide in less than 24 hours & bring these horses to safety! My heart is just overwhelmed with emotion! Thank you! -- WE COULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT YOU! You all are my heros!  Kellie Awesome news for these poor horses! Glad to know they will be cared for until this messgets sorted out. Praying for justice.

 Wonderful news
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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-09-22 7:35 PM
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First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not.  Also heads up to all of you that sell.  ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not.  Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control.  Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER.
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