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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2014-11-21 8:31 AM musikmaker - 2014-11-20 8:47 PM I think it's great that so many on here are willing to say what they think. Such a nice, comfortable, safe place to do so. (Not!)
Hmmmmm..........he ASKED for opinions and that is EXACTLY what he got........why is that such a problem for you?????
edited to add: Just because there has been no physical harm does not mean that a person would not be guilty of stalking under the Utah law.........
(2 ) A person is guilty of stalking who intentionally or knowingly engages in a course of conduct directed at a specific person and knows or should know that the course of conduct would cause a reasonable person:
(a ) to fear for the person's own safety or the safety of a third person; or
(b ) to suffer other emotional distress.
(3 ) A person is guilty of stalking who intentionally or knowingly violates:
(a ) a stalking injunction issued pursuant to Title 77, Chapter 3a, Stalking Injunctions; or
(b ) a permanent criminal stalking injunction issued pursuant to this section.
(4 ) In any prosecution under this section, it is not a defense that the actor:
(a ) was not given actual notice that the course of conduct was unwanted; or
(b) did not intend to cause the victim fear or other emotional distress.
I think it's great that so many on here are willing to say what they think. Such a nice, comfortable, safe place to do so. (Not!)
There IS a law against stalking...there is NOT a law against feeling. Or expressing yourself.
Is there? We are pretty close to having laws against thinking...hmmmm....
I would certainly hope that our courts will take into consideration the fact that nobody has been physically hurt...no threat has been made to that extent that I can see. It's simply about lies. Who is telling the truth about a 'relationship'? And who cares?
If I were you, Doug, I'd be rolling my eyes at this entire mess. And...if I felt that I was innocent of the charges I would fight the good fight. Never 'give'...never plea bargain. Don't 'plead' (beg) either. Not here & not in court.
Do not profess your 'love' for this woman...nor your hatred.
I honestly do not think you're guilty of anything sinister. THAT should be the question, not how you present yourself to a jury...YET...that is the game. Play it well if you must.
I am a woman...and I, for one, think the whole world is quite bizarre!
I can't even imagine how these sorts of things get into court...what kind of judge hears it?
Silly...and dangerous.
You've had some good advice on here from more average thinking ladies than I am ...take it. (I don't mean that in a condescending way! I'm simply admitting that I'm far from normal!!! Lmao...)
My first response in this thread was to tell him to "shut the heck up"...this is NOT a 'safe' place to go into this...he asked & he received.
I don't have a problem with that.
I DO have a hard time accepting all the rules & regs that usually 'fine' us for what we might do rather than making the punishment fit the 'crime'. Thinking isn't a crime...feeling isn't a crime...yet, the majority on here have said that they would throw the book at him if they were on the jury because of how he 'presents' himself & how he 'feels'.
Do any of them think he's dangerous? Isn't that what brought about the stalking laws? It was to be a way of shining the light on a potential, violent, crime. At least that's what I thought.
THAT, I think, is what a jury should be considering...not how the guy dresses, combs his hair or expresses his emotions in writing.
It's so easy to destroy someone...
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2014-11-21 10:38 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:30 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:27 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-21 11:26 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-21 11:25 AM I am also willing to give a professional assessment of the transcript of this thread for the prosecution as well......that charge will be $1475/hr...... I will do it for $1000. And, sometimes, you pay to much for crap! I'm offering a quality product at a reasonable price. 
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Location: Central Florida | This thread is defiantly an interesting read. All I can say is if I was facing charges I wouldn't be posting this all over the internet like others have already stated. |
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Location: Winging It in KY | Herbie - 2014-11-21 12:46 PM I hope this trial is webcast!!!!! I'd pay to watch.....
Ditto! ^^^^ Who needs The Young And The Restless and Days Of Our Lives! |
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Location: Mountains of Arizona | I would go with #3.
I have been involved in trials. There is no telling what a jury is going to see what will make them side with you or against you and it only takes one person to throw the whole case into a tail spin. Honestly, her lies are not going to be exposed. The prosecutor is going to play jack in the box and stop them from getting out. His job at a trial is to make his witness look as good as possible to the jury. This will not be a jury trial about the truth it will be a "play", an entertainment moment, put on by the prosecutor, your attorney, and witnesses for the jury. Jurors watch TV, and think that it should be cleared up in 1 hour. When its not they get lost and bored and don't care. Nobody wants to be on a jury. Nobody wants to waste their time for $12.00 a day.
We did a Aggravated Assault case, where the mom pulled a gun on her 13 year old daughter and her friend. We had witnesses, good witnesses, good case. The prosecutor had good jury instructions to give direction on how to handle the case. We had evidence that the moms attorney contacted the daughter and tried to get her to change her story. The jury found the mom not guilty. We asked a few of them afterwards why. A couple of them said "because we didn't like the way the daughter looked at us when we were going to lunch the other day."
If you have an option to avoid a jury trial, that in the end will cost you a little time and your record will be clean, I would go for it. Good Luck and I am sorry you are having to go through this.
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Location: Deep in the heart of Texas. | Its like I said I have an open court case but im not going to post about it. |
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| I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 11:08 AM I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury.
Yeah...anytime a person is facing charges they need to take to heart the "...anything you say can & WILL be held against you...". They are not kidding! The more you try to explain the worse it gets... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 12:08 PM
I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | musikmaker - 2014-11-21 12:20 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 11:08 AM I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury. Yeah...anytime a person is facing charges they need to take to heart the "...anything you say can & WILL be held against you...". They are not kidding! The more you try to explain the worse it gets...
^^^^ THIS......and I think that is why he is getting some "negative" feedback.....surely his lawyer has told him to SHUT UP ! ! ! |
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| happyhorsehotel - 2014-11-21 12:04 PM I would go with #3. I have been involved in trials. There is no telling what a jury is going to see what will make them side with you or against you and it only takes one person to throw the whole case into a tail spin. Honestly, her lies are not going to be exposed. The prosecutor is going to play jack in the box and stop them from getting out. His job at a trial is to make his witness look as good as possible to the jury. This will not be a jury trial about the truth it will be a "play", an entertainment moment, put on by the prosecutor, your attorney, and witnesses for the jury. Jurors watch TV, and think that it should be cleared up in 1 hour. When its not they get lost and bored and don't care. Nobody wants to be on a jury. Nobody wants to waste their time for $12.00 a day. We did a Aggravated Assault case, where the mom pulled a gun on her 13 year old daughter and her friend. We had witnesses, good witnesses, good case. The prosecutor had good jury instructions to give direction on how to handle the case. We had evidence that the moms attorney contacted the daughter and tried to get her to change her story. The jury found the mom not guilty. We asked a few of them afterwards why. A couple of them said "because we didn't like the way the daughter looked at us when we were going to lunch the other day." If you have an option to avoid a jury trial, that in the end will cost you a little time and your record will be clean, I would go for it. Good Luck and I am sorry you are having to go through this.
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Location: Deep in the heart of Texas. | NJJ - 2014-11-21 12:30 PM
musikmaker - 2014-11-21 12:20 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-11-21 11:08 AM I have no opinion as to his guilt or innocence. What the majority of us have referenced are his previous posts that were not following logic. I commented that his list submitted to the police in an effort to prove he had a relationship with her was strange and might do him more harm than good and they are now using this list against him. I understand wanting to clear your name. It is very plausible that this woman is doing all this to save face with her boyfriend but DJG is his worst enemy in all of this and does not need to go in front of a jury. Yeah...anytime a person is facing charges they need to take to heart the "...anything you say can & WILL be held against you...". They are not kidding! The more you try to explain the worse it gets...
Or either he just doesn't care or isn't listening to his lawyer
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped! |
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Location: ND | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 1:49 PM Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Well, there goes my get rich scheme..... |
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Location: Winging It in KY | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 2:49 PM Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 1:49 PM
Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Call her up and ask if you can take her to dinner, Douglas. Tell her you want to make amends. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-21 1:49 PM
Just got a call from my attorneys office.All criminal charges are going to be dropped!
Whoooooofreakinhoooooo!!!
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