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"Since it's so righteous to purge our culture of anything that some asshat PERCEIVES to be racist; let's make sure we're being thorough.
Since things like Jim Crow laws and slavery itself were codified into US law under the American flag, the American flag is also a symbol of racist hate and oppression and should equally be banned.
Since most of the founding fathers were themselves evil slave-owning white men, the US Constitution should also be banned.
Since George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were among the aforementioned evil white slave holders, all monuments and likenesses should be destroyed and never again displayed in public." |
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Guess they'll also want to pull the Auto Trader ad with the Duke boys and General Lee. . . |
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      Location: Arkansas | ampratt - 2015-06-25 7:03 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-25 1:00 AM
Just when I think I have heard it all on this subject and can't be shocked anymore on some of the ignorance, I hear something new and my mouth drops.
I agree. I think this has absolutely and totally gotten out of hand. The time and energy spent on this is unreal and could be used to do so much more good. It's time to give it a rest and move on to something really important.
That's exactly what I told my bf today---of all the issues the US has going on, this is what our government is choosing to concentrate on?? |
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      Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-25 8:15 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-25 1:00 AM Just when I think I have heard it all on this subject and can't be shocked anymore on some of the ignorance, I hear something new and my mouth drops.
 I saw a cartoon last night inferring the confederacy was akin to nazi germany.  Really, people?  That is disgusting.
I know, and some of this is coming from supposed "intelligent" people??? |
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Reckon they'll want to strip the Oscars from GWTW also? Including the one that went to the first black Oscar winner. . . . |
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     Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Itsme - 2015-06-25 9:10 PM I stole this from another site... "Since it's so righteous to purge our culture of anything that some asshat PERCEIVES to be racist; let's make sure we're being thorough. Since things like Jim Crow laws and slavery itself were codified into US law under the American flag, the American flag is also a symbol of racist hate and oppression and should equally be banned. Since most of the founding fathers were themselves evil slave-owning white men, the US Constitution should also be banned. Since George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were among the aforementioned evil white slave holders, all monuments and likenesses should be destroyed and never again displayed in public."
'They' are working on it. |
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      Location: Arkansas | SC Wrangler - 2015-06-25 6:23 PM
ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-25 5:36 PM When these poor people were murdered I was interested to see what BHW would have to say about it. To my surprise there didn't seem to be one post about it. Now if I missed it I apologize in advance. But we have a 6 page post about the confederate flag. That is pretty sad. Thank you. Â People seem way more concerned with the flag issue than the fact that PEOPLE DIED. And those deaths were a result of ignorance and bigotry.Â
I feel horrible that those people died----I don't care what color they are, it's a terrible tragedy. But that flag DID NOT cause their deaths. If the killer had been carrying a bible or a CD of a current rap star, would those things then be blamed and need to be taken out of the public eyes? I realize, like Bear said, this may be in the realm of absurdity, but that is where I feel like this frenzy over the flag has gone. |
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     Location: OH. IO | We meed a miss white america and a college for for whites too.the american white college fund.what would happen if that happened. |
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    Location: wherever my daughter's running | http://m.naturalnews.com/news/050201_book_burning_American_flag_his... was in Columbia this week for a meeting I had never been to the State House with the flag and monument, so I decided to ride by and see it before it is removed. Red light caught me and I was able to get a picture of this very controversial flag that has been made the reason along with gun controll. Big pharm, alcohol, lack of mental health services, and dare I say home environment played no part whatsoever in this horrible tragedy. Mass murders have hsppened and will continue to happen all over the United State - very sad fact. I am a proud South Carolina girl and will wear my blue and white today to show unity. |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Stop and think about this ridiculous trap so many people are succumbing to. This is exactly how progressives operate. They feed off hate, anger, and deep divisions.
They are never ever happy.....unless they can be shrill and divisive. People are falling for it. Saul Alinski is looking more and more like a genius. All of a sudden, within a couple weeks, a symbol that has existed for 150 years is gone...poof!
Will that make any difference? Will people all of a sudden be kinder and more tolerant? Will America be safer? That flag didn't mean a thing to me, but it sure did to a lot of decent folks I know. Now they are talking about making TV shows and movies unavailable. Now I am supposed to be guilt ridden whenever I watch Gone With the Wind.
Maybe we need some good old fashioned book burnings. Wouldn't surprise me. |
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    Location: Midwest | Symbols mean different things to different people.
The swastika has a much older meaning than the nazi association (it's actually a symbol from the eastern world, predating the nazi party by a very long time).... However, now that is how we view the symbol.
Growing up even in Indiana, many folks flew the rebel flag or had stuff with the flag on it and it was not associated with race. Of course, in the cities many folks see it as a racist symbol. I've seen black people wearing or having flag stickers and gear, so I highly doubt they are trying to use the symbol as a display of hatred for their own race. It means what folks want it to mean from their pov.
In the end, this is a pointless argument, which is only serving to distract the general public from the real problems in America that are impossible to tackle in a Twitter post or sound bite. |
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     Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Does anyone know if the Confederate Flag has EVER been flown at half mast? Say...following 911? |
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2015-06-26 7:26 AM Stop and think about this ridiculous trap so many people are succumbing to. This is exactly how progressives operate. They feed off hate, anger, and deep divisions. They are never ever happy.....unless they can be shrill and divisive. People are falling for it. Saul Alinski is looking more and more like a genius. All of a sudden, within a couple weeks, a symbol that has existed for 150 years is gone...poof! Will that make any difference? Will people all of a sudden be kinder and more tolerant? Will America be safer? That flag didn't mean a thing to me, but it sure did to a lot of decent folks I know. Now they are talking about making TV shows and movies unavailable. Now I am supposed to be guilt ridden whenever I watch Gone With the Wind. Maybe we need some good old fashioned book burnings. Wouldn't surprise me. I agree. The libs have been playing the Alinsky play book. Obama was picked and groomed to be President to get this done. Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals Here is the complete list from Alinsky. * RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.) * RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.) * RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.) * RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.) * RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.) * RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.) * RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.) * RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.) * RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.) * RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.) * RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.) * RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
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    Location: wherever my daughter's running | musikmaker - 2015-06-26 9:24 AM Does anyone know if the Confederate Flag has EVER been flown at half mast? Say...following 911?
It is my understanding that since the Confederate Flag was removed from the top of the Capitol Building, where it flew from the same flag pole as the US and SC flags, it has not been flown at half mast. When it was relocated in 2000 the law placing it in its current location was pretty specific about where it and how it was to be flown i.e. 30 feet high, 10 feet from memorial, etc. I think there is actually no way to lower the flag to half staff as there is not a pully system on the flag pole. Before being removed from the top of the Capitol Building in 2000 I think it flew half staff along with the US and SC flags when necessary. |
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      Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-26 12:04 AM SC Wrangler - 2015-06-25 6:23 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-25 5:36 PM When these poor people were murdered I was interested to see what BHW would have to say about it. To my surprise there didn't seem to be one post about it. Now if I missed it I apologize in advance. But we have a 6 page post about the confederate flag. That is pretty sad. Thank you. People seem way more concerned with the flag issue than the fact that PEOPLE DIED. And those deaths were a result of ignorance and bigotry. I feel horrible that those people died----I don't care what color they are, it's a terrible tragedy. But that flag DID NOT cause their deaths. If the killer had been carrying a bible or a CD of a current rap star, would those things then be blamed and need to be taken out of the public eyes? I realize, like Bear said, this may be in the realm of absurdity, but that is where I feel like this frenzy over the flag has gone.
I never said that the flag caused anything. Just said it was interesting that this site seems much more concerned with the flag than the actual tragedy which is obvious by this post and the lack of any kind of post about the church murders. I think it is ridiculous that the flag is being blamed.
Just curious, if the confederate flag is the flag of Southern pride, then what is the flag of Northern pride? I guess the American Flag? I live in a state that was neither a northern state or southern state so I choose the American Flag as my flag. LOL |
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I'm not sure what there is to say about the heinous act that started it all. Some crazy dude shot up innocent people in a church. Of course we prayed for them. But like so many things, I don't see the point in making a public declaration of it unless someone I'm praying for will see it and feel supported. There is no defending or understanding his actions and I don't want to give the scum the recognition. |
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      Location: Arkansas | jake16 - 2015-06-26 5:19 AM
We meed a miss white america and a college for for whites too.the american white college fund.what would happen if that happened.
Oh my goodness, Jake, you know what would happen. Hey, have you thought about politics as a side job??! |
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      Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-26 4:23 PM
 There is no northern pride.  They were never their own country.
I'm not sure what there is to say about the heinous act that started it all. Â Some crazy dude shot up innocent people in a church. Of course we prayed for them. But like so many things, I don't see the point in making a public declaration of it unless someone I'm praying for will see it and feel supported. Â There is no defending or understanding his actions and I don't want to give the scum the recognition. Â
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      Location: Arkansas | ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-26 4:06 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-26 12:04 AM SC Wrangler - 2015-06-25 6:23 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-25 5:36 PM When these poor people were murdered I was interested to see what BHW would have to say about it. To my surprise there didn't seem to be one post about it. Now if I missed it I apologize in advance. But we have a 6 page post about the confederate flag. That is pretty sad. Thank you.  People seem way more concerned with the flag issue than the fact that PEOPLE DIED. And those deaths were a result of ignorance and bigotry. I feel horrible that those people died----I don't care what color they are, it's a terrible tragedy. But that flag DID NOT cause their deaths. If the killer had been carrying a bible or a CD of a current rap star, would those things then be blamed and need to be taken out of the public eyes? I realize, like Bear said, this may be in the realm of absurdity, but that is where I feel like this frenzy over the flag has gone.
I never said that the flag caused anything. Just said it was interesting that this site seems much more concerned with the flag than the actual tragedy which is obvious by this post and the lack of any kind of post about the church murders. I think it is ridiculous that the flag is being blamed.Â
Just curious, if the confederate flag is the flag of Southern pride, then what is the flag of Northern pride?  I guess the American Flag?  I live in a state that was neither a northern state or southern state so I choose the American Flag as my flag. LOL Â
There will be repercussions towards more than just the Confederate flag now, I'm sure. |
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