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| It sounds like you are wanting to learn, that is good.
I am not going to comment on the horse, never watched the videos, but did read all the comments.
One thing I will say is a lameness locator may be beneficial to see if she is hurting somewhere.
So if you are wanting to learn a few things that could help you
Ed wright book, everyone who has it say they use it constantly, he has a website you can buy it off of
Dena Kirkpatrick one smooth run (I believe the title is) DVD
Sheri cervi with Clinton anderson barrel racing DVD
Ed and dena's philosophy on where the person sits is different, but everything else is similar
Judy myllimacki had a great video and it contains quite a few drills without barrels, this will be beneficial for you sorry I can't remember what it is called
Sharon Camarillo I have been to her clinic, and it is geared towards horsemanship, so I am guessing her book and video would be the same, this may be somewhere to start, but she does ride different then the above, IMO, still good information.
After you find a style you like or can understand, try and go to one of their clinics
Good luck
I do believe all that matters is you liking the horse, the willingness to work with horse, and patience, if she has only reared once, probably she is getting mixed signals |
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Location: Arkansas | LDH - 2015-07-13 12:44 AM
I am not sending this mare to the kill pen, thank you for that input, however, that will not be happening.
I ride this mare daily in a snaffle and split reins and she works amazing. I took her on a three day trail ride though pastures and across creeks and through mud and she didn't blink an eye. Went exactly where I put her, when I asked, at a flat footed walk. She is not by any means crazy. Yes she can be hot, but I can lope the mare around an arena with no fence bareback and she works like an angel. She has never offered a buck or a rear any other time than when we were going in the gate that one time.
If this mare doesn't make a barrel horse for any reason I have a nice pasture where she will live and give me very nice babies and live a happy life as a trail horse and a broodmare.
She is not going to the kill pen.
Good for you for standing up for your mare and giving her a chance at WHATEVER her career may be. . . |
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Location: Florida.. | if you don't get a different result after professional help there are so many other horse jobs or fun things to do with her that doesn't involve arena and speed |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-07-13 1:19 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-12 3:51 PM I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back. Send her down the road. Take whatever you could get someone to give you for her. It's NOT worth it.
She shouldn't just get to live in your pasture? What if she's really sweet on the ground? That sounds much different than the rant that you just posted on another thread....
Different OP, Different posts, different fixes. This OP is making excuses for the horse, so this horse automatically strikes me as spoiled and has been allowed to get away with things. That's a lot harder, or sometimes not possible, to fix than an owner who is too ignorant to fix a HURT HORSE.
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Location: Beggs, OK | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-16 1:39 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-07-13 1:19 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-12 3:51 PM I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back. Send her down the road. Take whatever you could get someone to give you for her. It's NOT worth it. She shouldn't just get to live in your pasture? What if she's really sweet on the ground? That sounds much different than the rant that you just posted on another thread.... Different OP, Different posts, different fixes. This OP is making excuses for the horse, so this horse automatically strikes me as spoiled and has been allowed to get away with things. That's a lot harder, or sometimes not possible, to fix than an owner who is too ignorant to fix a HURT HORSE. HURT is a lot different than BLOWN UP.
You are right, but it's completely contradictory from what you said about the other horse. Why does this mare deserve such harsh judgement? Her issues are very obviously manmade. Here's a direct quote:
"That is why she most likely is putting him down next week. No liability and no commitment to a horse that has not done the job he was purchased to do. There is no emotional connection." You sound like a heartless ***** to be honest. You make a commitment to a horse the second he becomes yours. I would suggest that you guys get in a new line of business if that's how you feel about your partners. I'm so ****ed off at that comment that I just don't even know what to say. I hope your friend doesn't think that way, because that horse deserves better than you.
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| Blueridgedreaming - 2015-07-13 12:37 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-07-13 12:22 PM
streakysox - 2015-07-12 7:25 PM I am posting this video for a reason. Look at this nice filly as she works the barrels. This is a sale video because my trainer said get rid of her. My trainer is riding her and I am videoing. She is 4 years old and was on tack go to some futurities. WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU READ THE REST OF THE POST. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubG-PdDtlU She was started right. Looks good doesn't she? Working very nicely. She reared up with me and flipped. By the grace of God I was not hurt. I sent her to the killers because I knew she was going to hurt someone. Don't forget my trainer said get rid of her. I am smart enough to know when someone is trying to help me. Cut your losses before you get hurt. People are trying to tell help you here.
Plus, watching this video and the other one posted of just arena work-this horse looks hardly broke enough to be started on barrels/or sore. When asked to back it showed significant resistance.
I won't lie, this is exactly what I thought when I saw the video. That horse doesn't look broke enough for the pattern. Holes in training can cause all kinds of issues. Including rearing. I don't call myself a trainer but I start my own and I wouldn't have that horse on the barrels yet. Looked stiff, resistant and disrespectful wether due to lack of training or soreness.
As for the original poster, honestly I would find a dressage trainer and give the mare another job while still hauling her to races but not running. Dressage was the best thing I could have ever done for my horses. Made them whole new animals. The mares brain is obviously frazzled. The dressage will get her focussing and work on your riding at the same time while still hauling her and not running will help her brain to relax at a race. Finding a dressage trainer helped my riding 10 fold which has made my finished mare go from 2D-3D to 1D-2D and my colts learn so much faster because my body is agreeing with my hands and brain lol. |
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| This is exactly what I said way back there but op says she is well broke. Might be a case of what I think is broke as compared to what other people think is broke. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-07-16 3:25 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-16 1:39 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-07-13 1:19 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-12 3:51 PM I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back. Send her down the road. Take whatever you could get someone to give you for her. It's NOT worth it. She shouldn't just get to live in your pasture? What if she's really sweet on the ground? That sounds much different than the rant that you just posted on another thread.... Different OP, Different posts, different fixes. This OP is making excuses for the horse, so this horse automatically strikes me as spoiled and has been allowed to get away with things. That's a lot harder, or sometimes not possible, to fix than an owner who is too ignorant to fix a HURT HORSE. HURT is a lot different than BLOWN UP.
Exactly, manmade. I'm harsher on this horse because my friend just bought one that acts just like this. I told him the same thing I said here, send her to the meat pen. Because she's so blown up, that she can't even ride off the pattern. You can't sit on her without her trying to FLIP OVER at the finest touch. This horse is presenting the warning signs, and the owner is ignoring them. So if the rider is not going to STOP the progression now, she's going to be a nutcase that is dangerous to even sit on. |
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Location: wolverton,mn | I don't see the owner" ignoring" her horses shortcomings. She put it all out there for everyone to have a shot at her.
The ones making excuses are the ignorant,self righteous poster ( s) that try and cover for the callous comments made to a girl about a horse she's trying to work with.
A horse can rear and not be a " problem" horse. This is not a kid that owns the horse,it's a owner who is Trying to get help.
I'm no Pat Parelli wanna be,but I sure wouldn't tell this girl to send her horse to the " meat pen"
S.M.H at the callousness of the highflying poster.......it's not always black and white when you truly take ownership and responsibility for a life! |
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Location: Florida.. | She identifed she had problems
She asked for advice and help
That is a nice horse "I think from what i can tell" without being there but needs to defrag her brain and learn relaxation and basic stuff..
I think with the right professional taking the horse in training for a few months to defrag it and then working with rider and horse to relax and learn basic foundational work and rider learn to control her energy.. they will be a nice pair.. jmo but now not later.. |
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| hotbear03 - 2015-07-16 8:24 PM
I don't see the owner" ignoring" her horses shortcomings. She put it all out there for everyone to have a shot at her.
The ones making excuses are the ignorant,self righteous poster ( s) that try and cover for the callous comments made to a girl about a horse she's trying to work with.
A horse can rear and not be a " problem" horse. This is not a kid that owns the horse,it's a owner who is Trying to get help.
I'm no Pat Parelli wanna be,but I sure wouldn't tell this girl to send her horse to the " meat pen"
S.M.H at the callousness of the highflying poster.......it's not always black and white when you truly take ownership and responsibility for a life!
I'm not the only one who thinks it or that has said it. So don't play it off as I am. We just aren't blowing smoke either. By ignoring the rearing, which she did, she told that horse that she didn't do anything wrong and that by being stupid, she gets to run. Anyone with a brain can see this is just going to get worse with that outlook. She's made excuses for the behavior, she isn't making the horse be accountable. By not making the horse be accountable, she will be ruined sooner than later.
Any horse that rears does have a problem. Rearing in itself is a problem. One that either needs trained out of them or put up with by people stupider than me, because I won't ride one who makes a habit of it. The first time they rear, you set a precedent with that horse on how you respond. She told that horse, ok you're in charge. Bad response that is going to lead to more problems later.
I may sound harsh, but I just don't want her next post to be 'Severely injured after horse flips over' or worse, see her name in remembrance when she dies from it. Rearing is NOT a joke, sorry if I just take it a bit more seriously than others. |
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Location: Texas | Put her in a round pen and teach her how to keep moving with a tiedown. She needs one!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus stop lifting ride two handed then pull back not out. Your delay from lift to turn is to long. |
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| mollibtexan - 2015-07-16 9:47 PM
Put her in a round pen and teach her how to keep moving with a tiedown. She needs one!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus stop lifting ride two handed then pull back not out. Your delay from lift to turn is to long.
Have you trained winning horses, like futurity and rodeo type horses? Have they been quiet and lasted?
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Location: Texas | Itsme - 2015-07-16 9:59 PM mollibtexan - 2015-07-16 9:47 PM Put her in a round pen and teach her how to keep moving with a tiedown. She needs one!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus stop lifting ride two handed then pull back not out. Your delay from lift to turn is to long. Have you trained winning horses, like futurity and rodeo type horses? Have they been quiet and lasted? Not being a smart a$$, just curious.
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Location: Texas | Yes absolutely. My reputation is for training quiet, lasting horses, and horses that are easy to ride. These are just a few videos from this year all futurity horses.
Twin Lakes Futurity winner 2015
http://youtu.be/yOpZF4Tkl54
http://youtu.be/yOpZF4Tkl54
http://youtu.be/ZuHi2fJTZkI
http://youtu.be/ukszcMSlnqo
http://youtu.be/1XwDXDGkmZg
Fastest time of the BFA Derby 2015
http://youtu.be/rh6nQ9mGcD8
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Location: Georgia | mollibtexan - 2015-07-16 10:47 PM Put her in a round pen and teach her how to keep moving with a tiedown. She needs one!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus stop lifting ride two handed then pull back not out. Your delay from lift to turn is to long. I have not real all the posts but I did watch videos. Sorry if this has been said.
TIE DOWNS ARE NOT A SOLUTION to fix a training issue. DO NOT put a tie down on this horse until it becomes a last resort (maybe not even then). Assuming this mare is healthy and sound....take her back to basics. Spend a couple week in the roundpen. Make her move away from pressure, give to pressure, break at the poll, respond to leg cues, etc. Seriously just wet some saddle pads until this mare is a pro in that roundpen. Then break out and make her do all those things in an open space. If she is good to go after a few days of dry work, take her back to the barrels and spend a few weeks doing pattern work. By pattern work...I mean sit her hiney down at your rate point over and over again until she sits down on her own without you lifting a finger. Use body cues and less hands. Dont run her fast at all during this period. If you do, you will ruin your hard work. Once she sits down on her own at the barrels, responds well to all your cues then take her to a barrel race and I promise you will have a new horse. And just a note...speak to your horse. You have no idea how much a simple "whoa" at the barrel will help her understand to rate. Good luck!!!
Wanted to point out that I am by no means an expert or a trainer but this has worked for me in the past.
Edited by Runninbay 2015-07-16 10:21 PM
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Location: Texas | She asked for help just trying to give her some suggestions that could help her. I don't come on here to fight over my opinion or justify it. I know how frustrating it can be at times. I rarely read what others even post just try to help the poster if I can. I never claim to know everything bc I don't. |
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Location: Georgia | mollibtexan - 2015-07-16 11:23 PM She asked for help just trying to give her some suggestions that could help her. I don't come on here to fight over my opinion or justify it. I know how frustrating it can be at times. I rarely read what others even post just try to help the poster if I can. I never claim to know everything bc I don't.
I understand but I think this is a training issue. It needs to be addressed before throwing a tie down on the mare as a temporary fix. |
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Location: Texas | Runninbay - 2015-07-16 10:29 PM
mollibtexan - 2015-07-16 11:23 PM She asked for help just trying to give her some suggestions that could help her. I don't come on here to fight over my opinion or justify it. I know how frustrating it can be at times. I rarely read what others even post just try to help the poster if I can. I never claim to know everything bc I don't.
I understand but I think this is a training issue. It needs to be addressed before throwing a tie down on the mare as a temporary fix.
I agree 100% but she said the horse is broke and moves off leg pressure and looks like has been running a while. I have no idea why everyone is so against tools that will help aid your horse I being successful. The horse can't even see the first barrel bc he is counting the lights in the arena....maybe if the horse could see the barrel she might have a better chance of turning it correctly. |
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Location: Texas | Itsme - 2015-07-16 9:59 PM
mollibtexan - 2015-07-16 9:47 PM
Put her in a round pen and teach her how to keep moving with a tiedown. She needs one!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus stop lifting ride two handed then pull back not out. Your delay from lift to turn is to long.
Have you trained winning horses, like futurity and rodeo type horses? Have they been quiet and lasted?
Not being a smart a$$, just curious.
https://www.trainingbarrelhorses.com/index.php/component/k2/item/391... |
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