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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Pepsi, serious question....who is your favored candidate at this point?
Bottom line is, thank God, we have plenty of time to take a hard look at the candidates. I lived in Wisconsin for 5 years in the early 80s, and I know they are fantastic Midwestern people. The liberals are largely concentrated in Madison and Milwaukee. Rural people tend to be quite conservative. It's a lot like Minnesota that way.
I like Walker a lot, but there are others who I like in this field of candidates. They all have strengths and weaknesses. I'd take any of them over Billary. They will all get a pretty thorough vetting, but it's up to us to stay on top of developments and become engaged in the process...including debates. The worst possible thing would be apathy. Nobody who posted on this thread sounds apathetic to me. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | pepsi - 2015-07-21 4:37 PMThat is great that your grandmother's pension has so far not been taken by Walker. Hopefully that will never happen. Do you live in rural Wisconsin? My husband is a master plumber that worked construction. In order to get a job after Walker was elected he had to drive over 2 hrs for a job. He finally stopped plumbing--wasn't worth paying the licensing fees, completing his continuing education verses the pay that was offered in rural Wisconsin. He is now in natural gas which is a lot more stable at the moment.Â
I live in a town of about 3,000. We lost over 20 teachers after Walker was elected--our entire high school English Department. A good friend of mine teaches in town. She thought Walker had some good ideas. Her husand is a manager of a local factory--help local businesses. My friend, the teacher, only has a bachelor degree but is a great teacher. She was hoping he would implement merit pay based on performance. She is still waiting. Didn't happen. Just a loss in benefits and take home pay.
A lot of us were hoping for merit pay so that good workers would be rewarded like in the private sector and the bad employees weeded out. Didn't happen. I will assume this is directed to me. Yes we lived in rural WI 17 mile to a town of any size. Like I said my dad always had to travel(2 hous would have been an easy drive) he drove back and forth from river falls and MSP for over 4 years every day we lived. 17 miles out side of Sparta) until he just gave up and retired from the union and worked odd jobs.....Kwik trip is an awesome company to work for they are almost always hiring awesome benefits . but they expect their employees to WORK.
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komet. - 2015-07-20 9:21 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 9:15 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 9:09 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t. I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say?
His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load.
Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.
This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown. I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey? I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had.
I have a nifty degree stashed somewhere....and haven't the slightest clue how many credits it took to get it. Asked a couple of my friends (with 4 year degrees) how many credits it took to graduate...none of them could remember either. So speaking from a group of people with degrees, I'd say your statement is wrong."Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had." Â
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| komet. - 2015-07-21 8:44 PM
MS2011 - 2015-07-21 9:18 AM
komet. - 2015-07-20 9:21 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 9:15 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 9:09 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t. I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say?
His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load.
Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.
This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown. I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey? I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had.
I have a nifty degree stashed somewhere....and haven't the slightest clue how many credits it took to get it. Asked a couple of my friends (with 4 year degrees) how many credits it took to graduate...none of them could remember either. So speaking from a group of people with degrees, I'd say your statement is wrong."Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had." Â
In 1977 the only scholarships were for brainyacts or jocks...
Should be that way still
But alas, it is not.
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As for the others, time will tell.
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Location: SE Louisiana | magic gunsmoke - 2015-07-21 11:18 PM
My favorite part about all this is the media on Donald Trump. Just Google Donald Trump memes and that is some great entertainment. As for the others, time will tell.
I love the fact that the media is flabbergasted and can't figure out what to do. They've been controlling the spin on elections for so long they take it for granted. NBC ran an article saying the media is fueling his campaign. Between, June 12th and July 14th Trump got more coverage than all the rest combined. What they don't bother to mention is it was all bad press, attacking him... An Ohio newspaper has called for him to step out of the race. (like they speak for the American people) The people see this for what it is and still support him. The media is so pi$$ed that they can't control the spin on him that Huff-Puff won't even report on him anymore. I laughed so hard at that!! |
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Location: Wisconsin | Bear, I don't have any idea who I will vote for. There are so many candidates and I honestly don't know enough about most of them to make a decision.
Rodeo Cowgirl. Please ask your grandma if she would be happy to have her take home pay reduced by 10% while she was teaching. After Walker's changes were implemented, that is what happened in Wisconsin because of the increased contributions made to their health insurance and pension and a wage freeze. If a teacher was able to retire, they did because they would have more take home pay retired that continuing teaching. We lost a lot of good, experienced teachers. However, the bad teachers are still teaching. Nothing has been implemented to evaulate a teacher's performance and nothing has been done to give raises to the good teachers. I know a couple of college graduates with education degrees left Wisconsin and obtained jobs in Minnesota and some college students changed majors. I think if this same course continues we will soon be in the same situation as South Dakota.
Also Rodeo Cowgirl, soon after my husband changed jobs, he went to a meeting in the Tomah/Sparta area. He couldn't believe how much more construction was going on there. We couldn't justify the costs incurred with traveling and other fees to continue plumbing in Wisconsin. I am fortunate that my husband has many talents and changed occupations once again.
Our parents are older and need our assistance. However, once our parents are gone we would love to leave Wisconsin and move closer to where are daughter plans on going to college.
I have been around a while. I have seen the results of a good Governor--Tommy Thompson. And I have the results of bad Governors--Jim Doyle and Scott Walker.
If you want to do more research on Walker, please look up his Economic Development Agency. I don't think he will say much about this on the campaign trail.
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Location: The edge of no where | komet. - 2015-07-21 8:44 PM MS2011 - 2015-07-21 9:18 AM komet. - 2015-07-20 9:21 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 9:15 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 9:09 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t. I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say?
His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load.
Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.
This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown. I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey? I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had.
I have a nifty degree stashed somewhere....and haven't the slightest clue how many credits it took to get it. Asked a couple of my friends (with 4 year degrees) how many credits it took to graduate...none of them could remember either. So speaking from a group of people with degrees, I'd say your statement is wrong.
"Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had."
In 1977 the only scholarships were for brainyacts or jocks...
They're given on merit... you do have to work for them. 1977 was a long time ago to still be whining about, get over it. I suppose you've been far too busy since to enroll? There's a lot of adults that go later in life. Typically the type of adults that take responsibility for their own sucess and aren't afraid to work for what they want. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So, scholarships were given to brainiacs and jocks in 1977. What's wrong with that? Putting athletic scholarships aside, upon what else should scholarships be based, besides academic achievement? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-22 9:20 AM
Bear, I don't have any idea who I will vote for. There are so many candidates and I honestly don't know enough about most of them to make a decision.
Rodeo Cowgirl. Please ask your grandma if she would be happy to have her take home pay reduced by 10% while she was teaching. After Walker's changes were implemented, that is what happened in Wisconsin because of the increased contributions made to their health insurance and pension and a wage freeze. If a teacher was able to retire, they did because they would have more take home pay retired that continuing teaching. We lost a lot of good, experienced teachers. However, the bad teachers are still teaching. Nothing has been implemented to evaulate a teacher's performance and nothing has been done to give raises to the good teachers. I know a couple of college graduates with education degrees left Wisconsin and obtained jobs in Minnesota and some college students changed majors. I think if this same course continues we will soon be in the same situation as South Dakota.
Also Rodeo Cowgirl, soon after my husband changed jobs, he went to a meeting in the Tomah/Sparta area. He couldn't believe how much more construction was going on there. We couldn't justify the costs incurred with traveling and other fees to continue plumbing in Wisconsin. I am fortunate that my husband has many talents and changed occupations once again.
Our parents are older and need our assistance. However, once our parents are gone we would love to leave Wisconsin and move closer to where are daughter plans on going to college.
I have been around a while. I have seen the results of a good Governor--Tommy Thompson. And I have the results of bad Governors--Jim Doyle and Scott Walker.
If you want to do more research on Walker, please look up his Economic Development Agency. I don't think he will say much about this on the campaign trail.
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I suspect Walkers initiatives hit you hard,mpersonally, when he took on collective bargaining by public sector unions. Walker effectively pointed out how taxpayers ultimately pay the price for underfunding of public sector unions. Basically your Ox was gored, and none of us wants our ox to be gored.
This article from Forbes does a good job of highlighting the problem.....read it:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2014/09/11/public-pensio... |
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Location: Wisconsin | Wisconsin has a very healthy retirement system. Please look at www.swib.state.wi.us/WRS.aspx.
Luckily because of the mismanagement of his Economic Development Agency, I don't think our government would allow Walker to change our take over the pension. |
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Wisconsin has a very healthy retirement system. Please look at www.swib.state.wi.us/WRS.aspx.
Luckily because of the mismanagement of his Economic Development Agency, I don't think our government would allow Walker to change our take over the pension.Â
He's trying to "take over" your pension? Please provide some proof of this. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Sorry typo. I meant to say "change" our pension--not take over. I just remember talk of changing the pension but that quickly died since Wisconsin's pension system is so healthy.
Look at JS online to do research on your candidate. There was an arcticle entitled Walker Plans No Changes to State Retirement System dated July 2, 2012.
As a voter I think it is MY responsibility to do research on the candidate.
Read articles from both the Wisconsin State Journal and Milwaukee Sentinel if you want to educate yourself on Walker. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Please explain your pension to me, Pepsi. What kind of pension? Obviously it's a public sector pension. How did Walker actually change your pension?
I'm just trying to understand how Walker changed your pension and who went along with it. Like I suspected, you blame him for goring your Ox. |
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Location: Wisconsin | In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
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In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.Â
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Wow, that's sounds reasonable. We pay 25% of our health care and have a $5,000.00 deductable. Highest paid employee is 16.00/hr. The company pays the other 75% of our health insurance. Most companies pay 50% is what I have been told. The company I work at is small - 20 employees on average this year. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM
In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.Â
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So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
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