Bibliafarm - 2015-10-02 11:02 AM  How do we know it doesnt ? our media does make it more glamourous etc.. but we arent in those countries so it might be happening ..I catch glimpses of voilence there on aol alot.. I know alot are getting bombed.

OregonBR - 2015-10-03 3:46 PM


Only he knows why he chose where he did to carry out his "suicide by cop".  He was a student at the school and he was enrolled in that class.  He had all his guns (14 of them) obtained legally or they were gifts.  He was disenchanted with organized religion. I'm not sure where he was from. In Oregon there is a background check required on all legal handgun purchases (I had to submit my information when I bought my pistol). The school's "gun free zone" doesn't trump concealed carry permits.  There were people on campus who had CCP's and were packing. But they were not in this classroom.  The elapsed time between the realization that there was a shooter until the Roseburg police showed up at the campus was 5 minutes. They found and engaged the shooter in the following 2 minutes. 2 minutes after that he was "neutralized".  The ME said the official cause of the shooter's death was suicide. That's what I remember from watching the news conference from this morning. It's on Fox news if you want to watch it.  I have no solutions, but I know disarming the citizens is NOT the solution.    

komet. - 2015-10-03 4:04 PM


Only in your dreams does a CC trump a 'gun free zone'!!!

OregonBR - 2015-10-03 4:16 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/03/gun_rights_adv... Umpqua Community College, however, was not a gun free zone. A 2011, state court decisionprohibited public colleges from banning guns on campus. The decision stemmed from a suit filed by the Oregon Firearm Education Foundation, a gun rights group. There was an effort to pass a new law to reinstate the ability of public colleges to ban guns. That measure was defeated by gun rights advocates. UPDATE OCT 1, 2015 8:09 PM The conservative site Breitbart and others assert that guns were banned at UCC. This is not true. The student code of conduct bans guns "without written authorization." Under Oregon law, the university could not ban people with a valid concealed carry license from bringing their weapons on campus. (They could ban gun from various buildings and facilities.) Conservative writer Dana Loesch, who initially claimed the campus was a "gun free zone," updated her article to clarify that individuals with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring guns on campus. There was, in fact, someone on campus with a concealed carry weapon at the time of the massacre. A local reporter explained to CNN that it was legal for him to have such a weapon on campus. I learned something too. I thought it was a gun free zone. But it's not because the legislature passed the law saying a CCP allows at gun on college campus'.

komet. - 2015-10-04 3:10 AM Are you really that stupid??!!!???? The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) is a federal United States law that prohibits any unauthorized individual from knowingly possessing a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25). It was introduced in the U.S. Senate in October 1990 by Joseph R. Biden and signed into law in November 1990 by George H. W. Bush. So.... The students that were there and carrying could do NOTHING without being just as culpable!!!

jkrm - 2015-10-02 8:34 AM   As a Non-American citizen (I'm Canadian) I honestly for the life of me can not understand the continued adamant stand - that it seems the majority (not all of course) of my American friends and neighbours have (and even some Canadians) - that it is your right to buy, carry and use guns - at all costs.  



As I sat this morning watching news coverage of yet another mass school shooting in the states.  I realized I have honestly and sadly become numb to them.  I remember vividly when Columbine happened and sitting glued to the tv and crying as I watched parents, who lost children share their stories.  Then I watched again the horror of the Connecticut shooting of so many innocent little ones. I was sure after that mass killing of children views would change.  But nothing has changed. 

 

Time after time I sit and watch news coverage of these mass shootings in my neighbouring country and shake my head.  I have to be honest here, as an outsider looking in I don't get it.  I don't.  Every time there is a mass shooting the argument begins over gun control.  Again I hear it is your constitutional right to bare arms.  But as was pointed out in a radio show (yes Canadian radio show) was that not written over 200 years ago when life was very different and you were in fact at war with England and that it pertained to protecting your country from invasion from other countries mainly - England.  Now it seems to me that you are in fact at war with one another.



Yes I know, I know I've heard it - guns don't kill people, people kill people.  However, I see people (I'll be it usually mental ill) with very easy access to guns killing people.  Lots and lots of people, including very innocent youth.

 

 I do not understand (please help me) why any average American citizen needs access to the guns that you all have access too.  Why do you need assault guns that typically are meant for military.

 

 I confess I don't know guns at all ( I'm honestly quite afraid of them).  With that being said we do own guns.  I couldn't tell you what they are (I'm guess some 22's and a shot gun).  My husband and son's hunt and being on a farm we do need guns for the occasional time we have to humanely put an animal down or shoot a skunk or porcupine.  But that's it, that's all we own.

 

 As a Canadian I can't walk into a store tomorrow and buy a gun.  I have to take a gun safety course, I have to take courses and get a license to be able to purchase a gun (that would be 22's and shot guns).  If I want a pistol the regulations are very, very, very strict.  I (to my knowledge) can not buy any sort of assault (I think that's what they are called- that shoot a lot at one time) rifle.  And quite frankly why on earth would I need one.

 

As I type this my local radio talk show is again discussing another mass shooting in America.  Again the host and callers are shaking their heads at the American mentality of your right to bare arms at all costs.  I in Canada, just don't get it.

 

I'm not an Obama fan.  I just don't think he is a great President however on his views on gun control needed in the U.S. I confess I agree with him.

 

I realize the problem isn't guns per say.  The problem is larger than that, mental illness being one of them.  But keeping guns out of the hands of people with mental illness needs to be looked at and if implementing some form of gun control does that and prevents these continuous mass shootings why on earth would you not be in favour of that. Yes, even at the expense of your God Given Right. Canada has forms of gun control in place.  Yes I'm still able to own guns (or my husband and son's do).  They have hunting guns, guns for shooting injured sick animals and I suppose if we absolutely needed, those same guns could be used to protect us or our property.  Our gun laws do not prevent honest hard working law abiding citizens from owning guns but they do slow down a mentally ill person from being able to walk into a store today from buying a gun that can shoot a lot of people in a short amount of time, then going out and using it.

 

I do agree the biggest issue is obviously mental health and that's a whole other can of worms but I personally believe figuring out how to keep all your guns out of the hands of people with mental health issues would be a start.

 

I'm not meaning to start a war here.  I'm just sharing my point of view from an outsider looking in, watching the news and not understanding the complete gun mentality that American's seem to have.  And I confess I have many fellow Canadian that share the same views.

 

Hope we can keep this post civil.  I just am trying to understand how implementing some gun control laws will affect negatively on your day to day life.

 

komet. - 2015-10-04 3:10 AM Are you really that stupid??!!!???? The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) is a federal United States law that prohibits any unauthorized individual from knowingly possessing a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25). It was introduced in the U.S. Senate in October 1990 by Joseph R. Biden and signed into law in November 1990 by George H. W. Bush. So.... The students that were there and carrying could do NOTHING without being just as culpable!!!

Anniemae - 2015-10-04 7:21 PM


Komet - you have such a way with words...

The UCC campus was not a gun free zone and Oregon state law allows CCP, even at schools. Fact, several people on the campus were carrying that morning (at least one Vet.) None of these individuals were reported to be in that class, may not of even been in that building. 

As for the Federal law you quoted:

The Supreme Court of the United States subsequently held that the Act was an unconstitutional exercise of Congressional authority under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution in United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549 (1995). This was the first time in over half a century that the Supreme Court limited Congressional authority to legislate under the Commerce Clause.

jkrm - 2015-10-02 12:16 PM


I did a search this morning on mass school shootings world wide.

Yes it does happen in other countries but in searching this morning it is far more previlant in the U.S.

Canada has had 16 school shootings dating back to 1894.  The vast majority were only only resulted in one or two deaths.  Once resulted in 15 deaths.  Again I realize we do not have the same population.

Other countries around the world do have them.  And yes they are typically broadcast on the news.  Probably not as sensationalized as the U.S. ones but they are usually on the news.