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| Bear - 2015-11-15 8:32 PM
komet. - 2015-11-15 7:44 PM
Has anyone here actually read The Quran? I think it's time to learn a little more about my enemy. But .... I want an accurate translation. 
I haven't read it myself, Komet, but I've learned a lot about it through relatives and friends who are Muslim. My principle source is my cousin, Dean. Dean immigrated to the U.S. with his large family from Lebanon when he was 6 years old in 1964 or 65. My grandfather helped them get here, legally. They were dirt poor. His Mother was 9 months pregnant and went into labor shortly after they arrived. None of the family could speak a word of English. They had a great uncle who owned a gas station/ diner on the outskirts of Rolla, ND, my hometown, about 10 miles from Canada. The family, which included 6 kids, lived in a very small 2 bedroom above the gas station. They had the advantage of a lot of caring Arab Americans who lived in the area, as well as a community that opened their arms to them. Very quickly they adapted to America and our traditions, including Christmas, believe it or not. They learned English very quickly. Everyone worked very hard. The kids all got jobs as early as possible, starting with paper routes. Even the 3 girls were forced to deliver papers, because the father, Ahmed, felt it was the best way for them to learn proficiency in English conversation.
The kids quickly became quite popular with their classmates. They all played sports and excelled, but they still had to work and save money. We celebrated Christmas, and often they joined us on Christmas Eve and Day. I knew even back then that Jesus is very highly regarded, devinely inspired, and emmaculately conceived. It is believed that he is seated at the right hand of God and that he will judge us. Those kids all grauated at or near the top of their class. Dean was all state in football and baseball. They all grew up and were married to Muslims. They all went to college and branched off to have very successful careers....BOTH the men and women. Dean, went to Gerorge Washington U Law school in Washington DC. He worked for a firm in NY and later worked as an attorney for the Royal family in Dubai. He also worked as a consultant in the oil industry and is now a very successful executive for a company that specializes in horizontal drilling, headquartered in Houston. Let me tell you if you met Dean, his lovely wife, Ameney, or any of their kids there is now way you wouldn't like them. They are wealthy, and very generous people. Charity is considered a very important virtue in this family, and they attribute it to their faith, as well as their family and ND roots. They don't flash it or flaunt it either.
I have a little table that compares and contrasts Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I'll see if I can post it.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=koran&go=Go
Read it. Read the hadiths. Pay attention to what they have been doing for 1,400 years and the atrocities they commit EVERY **** DAY. Your cousin is not a muslim, he is an apostate that could be killed in every ****lamic country. They do not believe Jesus is God's son. And allah is NOT Jehovah.
****lam is NOT a religion. It's a barbaric death cult with some woo woo heebie jeebies thrown in to pretend it's a religion. And even if it was a religion, they DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to murder people that don't believe their inbred sharia BS! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | MYQHFilly - 2015-11-15 10:13 PM
Gail - 2015-11-15 7:26 PM
Obama is not at war with radical Jihad but they are at war with him. Radical Islam is the cancer ruining humanity.
No, ****lam is the cancer that has been trying to destroy human civilization for 1,400 years. There is no moderate ****lam. There is no radical ****lam. There is just ****lam. And it is pure evil. It's a barbaric, totaltarian government that wants to domitate the world with it's shariah BS. It is NOT a religion.
Maybe this is a hit and run post, but I'll give it a try anyway. What do you think we should do with Muslim Americans? |
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Location: Arkansas | oija - 2015-11-15 10:21 AM
Sometimes you sacrifice some security to have certain freedoms. When we let our fear and hate rule us, in the same way it rules these terrorists, we sink to their level, sacrifice our identity as Americans, and then must be prepared to live in a military state. History has taught us over and over how pleasant that is. Yes, let's all be Syria part two only yelling the name of Jesus, who I'm ever so sure would approve of our killing tons of people. This is a thread about prayer. My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to those who have suffered in France. I don't care if anyone here thinks that country has 'brought it on themselves,' perhaps in the same way America brought 9/11 on ourselves. People are suffering and hearts are hurting from a mindless act of hate. Let us do please avoid demonstrating the same form of mindless hate here. Many prayers for these families and even for those souls lost in hate that caused this travesty. Anyone who is raised around such hate is to be pitied as well. It cannot be happy to know such negativity all your life and then prepare to lose it so violently. I'll pray for a few souls on here that they not lose themselves in the same hate.
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Location: Arkansas | jake16 - 2015-11-15 4:53 PM
Im saddened by what this post has turned into yet again.PRAYERS FOR ALL THE LIVES LOST AND THE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS THAT LOVED THEM.
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Location: Kansas | MYQHFilly - 2015-11-15 10:16 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-15 9:44 PM The refugees are here..they dont look hungry
They are not refugees. They are invaders, commiting jihad through hijrah.
....and now Obama is releasing another five prisoners from GITMO to the United Arab Emirates. Evidently the Paris thing whizzed right over his head as he restocks ISIS management.
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Thank you!! I had forgotten about the Gutenberg site. I used to go there often.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I wonder just how thoroughly these refugees are being vetted. The Obama spokesman claims very thoroughly, while other experts are saying not at all.
We already know Obama is a prolific liar, so.....
If just one of these people is discovered to be in any way in a terror act or plot, someone will have some splainin' to do. But then recent history tells us that he is completely immune from consequences of his lying because he is surrounded by devoted jackals sworn to protect him. |
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| I caught a little of the Today's show this morning getting ready for work. One of the women was interviewing Mitt and he was a true voice of reason. I wish he had said what he said this morning when he was running for president. Anyway, he was saying how it was time for the non-jihadist Islamists to stand up and help the rest of the world with the radical Islamists. He said it very well, so well, the interviewer asked him twice if there was any way he would consider running again. She did not sound like she usually does when she interviews a Republican. She almost sounded desperate.
I got in very late last night and had to get up early to go to work, so I may have badly paraphrased what Mitt said, but I am sure it can be found. |
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| I don't see these 'refugees' fleeing to Russia. Why not, there's plenty of space there to live? I don't see them 'fleeing' to Africa. Plenty of space there for them. No, they are 'fleeing' to Europe, America, Canada. They want the socialist services that those places provide. They don't give a **** about their own countries. They want to take. And keep taking. And let's quit calling them refugees. They aren't going back even after we clean out their countries and make them safe and stick billions into trying to make them prosperous, they are NEVER leaving our countries. We are already stuck with too many 'refugees' in this country.
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Location: The edge of no where | Bear - 2015-11-16 8:38 AM I wonder just how thoroughly these refugees are being vetted. The Obama spokesman claims very thoroughly, while other experts are saying not at all. We already know Obama is a prolific liar, so..... If just one of these people is discovered to be in any way in a terror act or plot, someone will have some splainin' to do. But then recent history tells us that he is completely immune from consequences of his lying because he is surrounded by devoted jackals sworn to protect him.
The interview I listened to yesterday with an FBI source said that they had no database on these people - that there is no way to vet them. I'll have to do a bit of digging to find it, but I believe that much more than anything Obozo says. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | GLP - 2015-11-16 8:42 AM
I caught a little of the Today's show this morning getting ready for work. One of the women was interviewing Mitt and he was a true voice of reason. I wish he had said what he said this morning when he was running for president. Anyway, he was saying how it was time for the non-jihadist Islamists to stand up and help the rest of the world with the radical Islamists. He said it very well, so well, the interviewer asked him twice if there was any way he would consider running again. She did not sound like she usually does when she interviews a Republican. She almost sounded desperate.
I got in very late last night and had to get up early to go to work, so I may have badly paraphrased what Mitt said, but I am sure it can be found.
Mitt was right about practically everything, including his predictions. I still think he has been the most qualified candidate for president we have seen in several decades. Maybe even more than Reagan. He lost because he was too nice, basically. I wish he'd reconsider, because I think he'd win in a landslide. |
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| Bear - 2015-11-16 8:56 AM
GLP - 2015-11-16 8:42 AM
I caught a little of the Today's show this morning getting ready for work. One of the women was interviewing Mitt and he was a true voice of reason. I wish he had said what he said this morning when he was running for president. Anyway, he was saying how it was time for the non-jihadist Islamists to stand up and help the rest of the world with the radical Islamists. He said it very well, so well, the interviewer asked him twice if there was any way he would consider running again. She did not sound like she usually does when she interviews a Republican. She almost sounded desperate.
I got in very late last night and had to get up early to go to work, so I may have badly paraphrased what Mitt said, but I am sure it can be found.
Mitt was right about practically everything, including his predictions. I still think he has been the most qualified candidate for president we have seen in several decades. Maybe even more than Reagan. He lost because he was too nice, basically. I wish he'd reconsider, because I think he'd win in a landslide.
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| Frodo - 2015-11-17 6:05 AM MYQHFilly - 2015-11-15 10:16 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-15 9:44 PM The refugees are here..they dont look hungry
They are not refugees. They are invaders, commiting jihad through hijrah.
This blows my mind. Really. What rotten timing. It is such a calloused, yet seemingly calculated move on his part. I cannot wait for the man to go home. Of course then, he takes with him all the top secret info that he should have never had in the first place. I rememeber when he was elected, one of you on here posted a big article how he wouldn't have even cleared his own security check but was elected. It was crazy then and it's still crazy. |
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| Bear - 2015-11-16 8:56 AM
GLP - 2015-11-16 8:42 AM
I caught a little of the Today's show this morning getting ready for work. One of the women was interviewing Mitt and he was a true voice of reason. I wish he had said what he said this morning when he was running for president. Anyway, he was saying how it was time for the non-jihadist Islamists to stand up and help the rest of the world with the radical Islamists. He said it very well, so well, the interviewer asked him twice if there was any way he would consider running again. She did not sound like she usually does when she interviews a Republican. She almost sounded desperate.
I got in very late last night and had to get up early to go to work, so I may have badly paraphrased what Mitt said, but I am sure it can be found.
Mitt was right about practically everything, including his predictions. I still think he has been the most qualified candidate for president we have seen in several decades. Maybe even more than Reagan. He lost because he was too nice, basically. I wish he'd reconsider, because I think he'd win in a landslide.
I went back and watched the interview and I have to agree with you Bear. I like him much better now than I did when he was running last time, although I did vote for him last time. He just seemed very firm in his statements and sounded very much more presidential than Obama. |
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Location: Midwest | Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee? |
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Location: Florida.. | Id say just make sure they were in their early twenties , men,  and ready to fight... clearly they dont look hungrey or homeless.. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee?
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Xrays, blood work, lameness exam, pedigree research, owner history.
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee?
Good question.
I just listed in disbelief as Obama addressed the issues of terror. He used the word "I" more than the words "us" meaning the citizens of the United States. He doesn't even know the proper nomenclature of the use of the word Special Forces. For the record Special Forces are Green Beret troops only. What he is should of said was Special Operations. And trust me...if you are a Special Operator or the family of one you pick up on it.
The frustration and complete lack of confidence I have in the President to keep my sons and our country safe is indescribable. I don't want tosee the United States part of a civil war but at least untie the hands of the Special Operators already in the Middle East so they can do their jobs. And that is coming directly from the Special Operators in Iraq begging to do their jobs. Not my words..theirs.
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| State by state governors are declaring they will not accept refugees. I can't help but think of my own state of Arizona whom tried and failed to plea with the Federal Goverment over protecting it's border from illegal immigrants. This is going to become a show down between what the Feds want and the State's right to protect itself. This presidency cannot end soon enough. Again, the courts are going to be busy. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee?
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