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Location: Texas | powerstroke power - 2016-01-28 3:00 PM Now i'm really confused and i think it's been asked before...but if she bought these foals...why does this not just go back to the person she bought the foals from?
Yes, as I understand it, she will have to sue the sellers, who will in turn have to sue the other players in this fiasco.
It is my understanding the OP has asked the vet to rectify the situation since they are at fault and has also asked for a breeders certificate for the foal (that she owns) resulting from the mess up.
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| I think the problem is with the insurance company. The vet drug his feet about turning it in, yes, but there's not much more he can do now that he HAS turned it in. He'll have to be sued and then the insurance company will come up with a settlement hopefully!
The stallion owner, now that's weird, not sure why she wouldn't release a breeders cert. Maybe you ****ed her off and that's her FU!
Good luck, seems like a long drawn out process, but that's what insurance companies are good at doing!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I'm guessing a moderator would have to bump the old thread up about this subject.. I cant find it  |
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| If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Tdove - 2016-01-28 12:44 PM
I don't believe anyone knowingly stole Vegas Resorts semen to inseminate a mare and hopefully get a good rope horse, 6 years down the line. That is absurd. Be way easier, less dangerous, and just a smidge cheaper to buy a breeding to Vegas Resort. Then you would even get a registered horse that would in turn, actually make the process cheaper to buy the semen than steal it. Surely, no one here is being serious about that.
It is pretty obvious what happened. Some time between collection and insemination, "someone" made an honest mistake and the result is the offspring that doesn't match the breeders report, can't be registered unless the stallion owner participates, and is not contractually what was supposed to happen. The one on the hook, is the person that was responsible for collection and shipping the semen. That is really the only way to look at it. Is anyone claiming anything different?
Cheaper than free? K whatever. I didn't really intend to imply that someone stole the semen. But when everyone ran with it I thought, OK that's one thing that might have happened. People have done more stoopid things than that for no real gain.
But if there were 2 or more doses of semen collected from the correct stallion. There still isn't anything saying what happened to the other semen. Was it shipped somewhere? Did they dump it down the sink or did they store it? Since nobody stepped up and said they had a colt by that yellow stud that isn't by the yellow stud, I was just wondering where the semen went. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | VetTv,
As someone posting under the name of your business, I would expect your posts to be more professional. No only are you using incorrect grammar, you are also writing in a less than professional tone.
As as someone who works in a professional setting, I would urge you to take a look at how you are representing your business. Based on your comments here, I would not want your representation or association in a business setting.
As for me, I have no vested interest in the situation at hand; however, I do like to hear others' experiences and feedback regarding people in the horse industry. It is not a large community, and I am a hobbyist that likes to know the reputation of whom I might be dealing with. |
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Location: Canada | VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM
If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer.
VetTv what is it that you do? You keep saying you work with vets and in the industry but mention online work and checking forums and chat rooms for vets that you work with? I'm honestly curious what type of job this would be?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer.
Nice job at back pedaling and trying to throw the blame on everyone else for not being "professional"....in case you don't want to go back and read some of your "personal bashes" ....here. are a few.......Very Professional of YOU !!!!!
* The details in this thread are ridiculous.
* Anyone that has any sense will know that the statements in this thread do not make sense.
* do not KNOW what happened and neither do I. Behave accordingly.
* If you want drama, then you are accomplishing what you want.
* Are you a drama queen?
* If you want to waste time, then you are accomplishing that too
* I have never seen so many attorneys offering free services in one place
* I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah
* Everyone on here is so full of hate
* think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING
* You don't know everything about anything
* why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss
* Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here
* Why is that any of your business????????
* gets in the crosshairs of your craziness
* Your comment didn't even make sense
* bashing someone just because you like bashing people
and the favorite…..
* I did not insult you but you are going to take anything I say as an insult. That is typical because I am not participating in your bashing and I don't agree with you
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Location: Where I am happiest | Not only has VetTv been rude and condescending, but appearantly missed the memo that this has been going on for a YEAR now, and THE VET who sent the wrong semen, has made no attempt to make it right. And the stallion owner, who is THE VET'S GIRLFRIEND, has also refused to even try to do her part to make it right. Nor do either of them care to appearantly, nor does she have the intelligence to process what a bonus this could be to her stallion by having a REGISTERED foal out there out of one of the best mares on the planet!! What a feather in his cap it could be. But instead, BOTH would rather do nothing to even try to help rectify this situation. Both will never get a dime of MY business. EVER due to their lack of moral fiber to rectify this situation and there is no denying, it is THEIR screw up and they are the only ones who could have easily fixed this. |
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| most of the time we are posting on phones and small tablets, my tablet will jump if i hit a key too hard. and these poat are done by real people not lawyers. And for sake maybe not type every detail in a sentance that would be able to be scretiniized in a court of law, as it would be pages of unintegable google goble. but i would be mad as xxxx if this happenend to me, but i have had semen from a very advertised stallion only to not see that he has not many babies only to find out his semen ships at 15/25 percent. sent my hard earned money to pay the vet switched to another stallion hit it first time.
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Location: Grandfield, OK | VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer.
Actually, I have not "bashed" anbody. The purpose of this post was to hopefully have the vet push on the Insurance Company to settle up with us. I will gladly right his name publically if it were to happen. If not, we will see them in court. There is no defense to his claim. I have been more than patient. VetTv seems to be the only one supportive here and it is obvious why. Don't blame her, she has to eat as well. What most don't know and has not been told as of yet is that the other colt that is by the correct stud is awesome and we turned down $40k for him. We expected no less out of this stud and he was purchased because of his breeding, the color was a bonus we thought. We are just honest God fearing people that are blessed to make a living with our horses. We don't raise junk. We had 3 horses we trained last year at the NFR and one other there that we raised. Three of these horses are by the same stallion that Vegas Resort is by. That's why we purchased these 2 colts. We just want a fair resolution. We had no plans to damage anybody's reputation nor do we like doing it. As far as the colt, he is not what we wanted nor purchased. He may be a nice colt but he doesn't fit our breeding program. He was purchased to breed mares. I have NO desires whatsoever to incorporate Can't Bully This Guy's pedigree into our roping horse breeding program. We own 3 studs and 11 broodmares and are very picky about our stallions. He is a high dollar gelding at this point, not what we wanted. If anybody has any questions, feel free to call, message or facebook me. |
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Location: Here | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 7:34 PM VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer. Actually, I have not "bashed" anbody. The purpose of this post was to hopefully have the vet push on the Insurance Company to settle up with us. I will gladly right his name publically if it were to happen. If not, we will see them in court. There is no defense to his claim. I have been more than patient. VetTv seems to be the only one supportive here and it is obvious why. Don't blame her, she has to eat as well. What most don't know and has not been told as of yet is that the other colt that is by the correct stud is awesome and we turned down $40k for him. We expected no less out of this stud and he was purchased because of his breeding, the color was a bonus we thought. We are just honest God fearing people that are blessed to make a living with our horses. We don't raise junk. We had 3 horses we trained last year at the NFR and one other there that we raised. Three of these horses are by the same stallion that Vegas Resort is by. That's why we purchased these 2 colts. We just want a fair resolution. We had no plans to damage anybody's reputation nor do we like doing it. As far as the colt, he is not what we wanted nor purchased. He may be a nice colt but he doesn't fit our breeding program. He was purchased to breed mares. I have NO desires whatsoever to incorporate Can't Bully This Guy's pedigree into our roping horse breeding program. We own 3 studs and 11 broodmares and are very picky about our stallions. He is a high dollar gelding at this point, not what we wanted. If anybody has any questions, feel free to call, message or facebook me.
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| SG. - 2016-01-28 7:40 PM cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 7:34 PM VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer. Actually, I have not "bashed" anbody. The purpose of this post was to hopefully have the vet push on the Insurance Company to settle up with us. I will gladly right his name publically if it were to happen. If not, we will see them in court. There is no defense to his claim. I have been more than patient. VetTv seems to be the only one supportive here and it is obvious why. Don't blame her, she has to eat as well. What most don't know and has not been told as of yet is that the other colt that is by the correct stud is awesome and we turned down $40k for him. We expected no less out of this stud and he was purchased because of his breeding, the color was a bonus we thought. We are just honest God fearing people that are blessed to make a living with our horses. We don't raise junk. We had 3 horses we trained last year at the NFR and one other there that we raised. Three of these horses are by the same stallion that Vegas Resort is by. That's why we purchased these 2 colts. We just want a fair resolution. We had no plans to damage anybody's reputation nor do we like doing it. As far as the colt, he is not what we wanted nor purchased. He may be a nice colt but he doesn't fit our breeding program. He was purchased to breed mares. I have NO desires whatsoever to incorporate Can't Bully This Guy's pedigree into our roping horse breeding program. We own 3 studs and 11 broodmares and are very picky about our stallions. He is a high dollar gelding at this point, not what we wanted. If anybody has any questions, feel free to call, message or facebook me. I hate this has drug out for you... And I get your point of view in this. Talk about a terrible disapointment.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Vet needs to fix this period. Dude, get your crap together. If you are AI'ing, make sure you are injecting the right sperm! Stallion owner.....what are you thinking???? IT IS PEARLS SISTER! Vet: you or your office staff messed up! Do the right thing! Foal owner: if none of this works out, I would like to hear your price for that grade foal. I may be interested. |
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Location: Midwest | Just a thought, but if the colt was mine, I'd register with the half quarter horse assoc to prove age and parentage of the mare. It's not the best outcome, but an option for the future if nothing works out via the court system.
I personally think the stud owner has made a mistake here. This colt will do nothing but help the reputation of his sire. That's a breeding I would do for free if I owned him, considering the circumstances. What a missed business opportunity this was for the stud owner! |
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Location: N Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-28 3:29 PM
I'm guessing a moderator would have to bump the old thread up about this subject.. I cant find it
If I remember correctly, that thread got zapped. Not sure why, but I remember reading it one minute and it was gone the next. |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | Who is the BB who has a running baby zebra as their profile pic? |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gunner11 - 2016-01-29 1:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-28 3:29 PM I'm guessing a moderator would have to bump the old thread up about this subject.. I cant find it If I remember correctly, that thread got zapped. Not sure why, but I remember reading it one minute and it was gone the next.
Oh ok I was wondering why I could not find it, hummm I wonder why, oh well,,, thank you Gunner  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gunner11 - 2016-01-29 1:59 PM Who is the BB who has a running baby zebra as their profile pic?
I remember the little Zerba, of course I cant remember the name of the BB. |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-29 2:05 PM
Gunner11 - 2016-01-29 1:59 PM Who is the BB who has a running baby zebra as their profile pic?
I remember the little Zerba, of course I cant remember the name of the BB.
She posted info on the original thread that only someone involved with, or personally knew the involved parties would know. Makes me wonder if she is also VetTV. |
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