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I just watched that clip again. Everyone is horrified LaVoy almost hit a cop. But the cop was by the police vehicle until LaVoy went around that vehicle. Lavoy would not have seen him in time to react either to hit or not hit him. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | geronabean - 2016-01-29 2:30 PM
Moral of the story for us who dont even know the whole story (which would be pretty much everyone) dont put yourself in situations where you are a know law hater and breaker and expect a good outcome.
Ya that's one way to react. Hide and hope that the government doesn't want what you have. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | This is Deb...she's with Pete Santilli, who was arrested...he's the only media that has covered this from the beginning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BswKblD41ww
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | OregonBR - 2016-01-29 4:34 PM I just watched that clip again. Everyone is horrified LaVoy almost hit a cop. But the cop was by the police vehicle until LaVoy went around that vehicle. Lavoy would not have seen him in time to react either to hit or not hit him.
Watch it again...the cop jumped out in front of the vehicle. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | OregonBR - 2016-01-29 4:39 PM geronabean - 2016-01-29 2:30 PM Moral of the story for us who dont even know the whole story (which would be pretty much everyone) dont put yourself in situations where you are a know law hater and breaker and expect a good outcome. Ya that's one way to react. Hide and hope that the government doesn't want what you have.
I just pray that people have a set of balls doesn't let the government come and take their guns. I don't care to be a slave to anyone. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Nevertooold - 2016-01-29 3:42 PM
OregonBR - 2016-01-29 4:34 PM I just watched that clip again. Everyone is horrified LaVoy almost hit a cop. But the cop was by the police vehicle until LaVoy went around that vehicle. Lavoy would not have seen him in time to react either to hit or not hit him.
That's what I said. The cop jumped out from beside the cop vehicle. There was no intention by LaVoy to hit him. There was no time to even react. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | geronabean - 2016-01-29 3:50 PM
OregonBR - 2016-01-29 5:39 PM
geronabean - 2016-01-29 2:30 PM
Moral of the story for us who dont even know the whole story (which would be pretty much everyone) dont put yourself in situations where you are a know law hater and breaker and expect a good outcome.
Ya that's one way to react. Hide and hope that the government doesn't want what you have.
Lolol the Govt DOES want what I have. Ever heard of eminent domain? Well ive become a pro about it, yet Ive still not putt myself in unlawful situations.
You've fought them in the court? Because all these ranchers have tried to fight the government in the court. The deck is stacked against them. The judge, prosecuter and the BLM is all willing to say and do anything to take the land away. The Hammonds were using commonly used techniques to try to manage (stop from burning down their house and feed for the cattle) a fire that was not set by them. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | geronabean - 2016-01-29 3:50 PM
OregonBR - 2016-01-29 5:39 PM
geronabean - 2016-01-29 2:30 PM
Moral of the story for us who dont even know the whole story (which would be pretty much everyone) dont put yourself in situations where you are a know law hater and breaker and expect a good outcome.
Ya that's one way to react. Hide and hope that the government doesn't want what you have.
Lolol the Govt DOES want what I have. Ever heard of eminent domain? Well ive become a pro about it, yet Ive still not put myself in unlawful situations.
Just a thought. Because we live in a Republic and not a democracy, the individual rights are more important than the government or the group. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T424sWq1SkE |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So, let's say we're cops in Houston, and a call goes out for help at a certain address because of an alleged attempted carjacking by a young black male with a medium build, wearing a dark hoodie. We approach the scene and see a young black male with pants down past his ass, wearing a dark green hoodie. He's running. Two other squad cars pull up from different directions and shine their lights on him. He realizes he's cornered. He is ordered to stop, drop to his knees, and keep his hands raised over his head. At first he complies. You and two other cops approach the gangsta with guns drawn. He reaches inside his hoodie abruptly. You shoot him dead. The incident is caught on the dashcam video.
Who screwed up? What's the difference between this scenario and the shooting of LaVoy? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2016-01-29 7:14 PM So, let's say we're cops in Houston, and a call goes out for help at a certain address because of an alleged attempted carjacking by a young black male with a medium build, wearing a dark hoodie. We approach the scene and see a young black male with pants down past his ass, wearing a dark green hoodie. He's running. Two other squad cars pull up from different directions and shine their lights on him. He realizes he's cornered. He is ordered to stop, drop to his knees, and keep his hands raised over his head. At first he complies. You and two other cops approach the gangsta with guns drawn. He reaches inside his hoodie abruptly. You shoot him dead. The incident is caught on the dashcam video. Who screwed up? What's the difference between this scenario and the shooting of LaVoy?
The difference is a tragedy. LaVoy was fighting the government that has over stepped their boundaries and he was fighting for the life that has been his for years. The gangsta took what didn't belong to him in the first place. One was a patriot and the other a POS. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-01-29 7:47 PM
Bear - 2016-01-29 7:14 PM So, let's say we're cops in Houston, and a call goes out for help at a certain address because of an alleged attempted carjacking by a young black male with a medium build, wearing a dark hoodie. We approach the scene and see a young black male with pants down past his ass, wearing a dark green hoodie. He's running. Two other squad cars pull up from different directions and shine their lights on him. He realizes he's cornered. He is ordered to stop, drop to his knees, and keep his hands raised over his head. At first he complies. You and two other cops approach the gangsta with guns drawn. He reaches inside his hoodie abruptly. You shoot him dead. The incident is caught on the dashcam video. Who screwed up? What's the difference between this scenario and the shooting of LaVoy?
The difference is a tragedy. LaVoy was fighting the government that has over stepped their boundaries and he was fighting for the life that has been his for years. The gangsta took what didn't belong to him in the first place. One was a patriot and the other a POS.
So it's OK to protect yourself from a dangerous suspect you are trying to apprehend by shooting him.....only if he happens to be a douche bag gangsta from the ghetto? If he happens to be "fighting the good fight" in your eyes, the officer should just roll the dice, use restraint, and hope he isn't going for a gun? I'm very surprised to hear this from you, of all people, Kathie. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Bear - 2016-01-29 7:00 PM Nevertooold - 2016-01-29 7:47 PM Bear - 2016-01-29 7:14 PM So, let's say we're cops in Houston, and a call goes out for help at a certain address because of an alleged attempted carjacking by a young black male with a medium build, wearing a dark hoodie. We approach the scene and see a young black male with pants down past his ass, wearing a dark green hoodie. He's running. Two other squad cars pull up from different directions and shine their lights on him. He realizes he's cornered. He is ordered to stop, drop to his knees, and keep his hands raised over his head. At first he complies. You and two other cops approach the gangsta with guns drawn. He reaches inside his hoodie abruptly. You shoot him dead. The incident is caught on the dashcam video. Who screwed up? What's the difference between this scenario and the shooting of LaVoy? The difference is a tragedy. LaVoy was fighting the government that has over stepped their boundaries and he was fighting for the life that has been his for years. The gangsta took what didn't belong to him in the first place. One was a patriot and the other a POS. So it's OK to protect yourself from a dangerous suspect you are trying to apprehend by shooting him.....only if he happens to be a douche bag gangsta from the ghetto? If he happens to be "fighting the good fight" in your eyes, the officer should just roll the dice, use restraint, and hope he isn't going for a gun? I'm very surprised to hear this from you, of all people, Kathie.
In this case you've got the dangerous douche bags confused! Lmao...seriously! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2016-01-29 8:00 PM Nevertooold - 2016-01-29 7:47 PM Bear - 2016-01-29 7:14 PM So, let's say we're cops in Houston, and a call goes out for help at a certain address because of an alleged attempted carjacking by a young black male with a medium build, wearing a dark hoodie. We approach the scene and see a young black male with pants down past his ass, wearing a dark green hoodie. He's running. Two other squad cars pull up from different directions and shine their lights on him. He realizes he's cornered. He is ordered to stop, drop to his knees, and keep his hands raised over his head. At first he complies. You and two other cops approach the gangsta with guns drawn. He reaches inside his hoodie abruptly. You shoot him dead. The incident is caught on the dashcam video. Who screwed up? What's the difference between this scenario and the shooting of LaVoy? The difference is a tragedy. LaVoy was fighting the government that has over stepped their boundaries and he was fighting for the life that has been his for years. The gangsta took what didn't belong to him in the first place. One was a patriot and the other a POS. So it's OK to protect yourself from a dangerous suspect you are trying to apprehend by shooting him.....only if he happens to be a douche bag gangsta from the ghetto? If he happens to be "fighting the good fight" in your eyes, the officer should just roll the dice, use restraint, and hope he isn't going for a gun? I'm very surprised to hear this from you, of all people, Kathie.
The FBI ambushed them. They were suppose to be going to a meeting and the sheriff they were suppose to be meeting wasn't where he was suppose to be. I find that a problem. How can anyone trust the government anymore? I know I don't. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I don't blame the officers for this shooting. I blame the government for setting up the ambush and putting these officers in this position. Watching the video...I would have shot. If I was the authority in control...I would have left them alone as they would have got tired and left. Funny how all those Liberal Occupiers in New York and all those looting and destroying in Baltimore were left alone. What harm were they doing being in a closed refuge? Nothing. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | musikmaker - 2016-01-29 7:20 PM Bear - 2016-01-29 7:00 PM Nevertooold - 2016-01-29 7:47 PM Bear - 2016-01-29 7:14 PM So, let's say we're cops in Houston, and a call goes out for help at a certain address because of an alleged attempted carjacking by a young black male with a medium build, wearing a dark hoodie. We approach the scene and see a young black male with pants down past his ass, wearing a dark green hoodie. He's running. Two other squad cars pull up from different directions and shine their lights on him. He realizes he's cornered. He is ordered to stop, drop to his knees, and keep his hands raised over his head. At first he complies. You and two other cops approach the gangsta with guns drawn. He reaches inside his hoodie abruptly. You shoot him dead. The incident is caught on the dashcam video. Who screwed up? What's the difference between this scenario and the shooting of LaVoy? The difference is a tragedy. LaVoy was fighting the government that has over stepped their boundaries and he was fighting for the life that has been his for years. The gangsta took what didn't belong to him in the first place. One was a patriot and the other a POS. So it's OK to protect yourself from a dangerous suspect you are trying to apprehend by shooting him.....only if he happens to be a douche bag gangsta from the ghetto? If he happens to be "fighting the good fight" in your eyes, the officer should just roll the dice, use restraint, and hope he isn't going for a gun? I'm very surprised to hear this from you, of all people, Kathie.
Everyone's ignoring the fact that they were already 'under fire'. He was shot before his hands came down...they had been shot at at the FIRST stop! It was an ambush!
I shouldn't say it, but, it'll come out anyhow...the citizens in Grant County put together the meeting because they are all sick & tired of living in fear from the fed and the corrupt bs, judge gasty, from harney county, set up the ambush...they were trying to 'contain' the anti-faux-government ans it was gaining momentum, kinda like Trump, so they set up the ambush and assassinated Lavoy...they only stopped there because nobody was shooting back! How could they call it a 'shoot out' as they originally claimed?
We all better get a lot more paranoid...cuz it's fixing to hit.
btw: the CITIZENS of Burns are having a protest next Monday and have asked the Oathkeepers, the lll Perceters and all patriotic Americans to come, unarmed, so they may have physical support when demanding the sheriff & the judge resign and that ALL federal law enforcement leave their town asap.
THEY finally have the courage to take back their community...and as sad as it is, it took a life to get there. Why would we question that? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | musikmaker - 2016-01-29 8:32 PM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 7:20 PM Bear - 2016-01-29 7:00 PM Nevertooold - 2016-01-29 7:47 PM Bear - 2016-01-29 7:14 PM So, let's say we're cops in Houston, and a call goes out for help at a certain address because of an alleged attempted carjacking by a young black male with a medium build, wearing a dark hoodie. We approach the scene and see a young black male with pants down past his ass, wearing a dark green hoodie. He's running. Two other squad cars pull up from different directions and shine their lights on him. He realizes he's cornered. He is ordered to stop, drop to his knees, and keep his hands raised over his head. At first he complies. You and two other cops approach the gangsta with guns drawn. He reaches inside his hoodie abruptly. You shoot him dead. The incident is caught on the dashcam video. Who screwed up? What's the difference between this scenario and the shooting of LaVoy? The difference is a tragedy. LaVoy was fighting the government that has over stepped their boundaries and he was fighting for the life that has been his for years. The gangsta took what didn't belong to him in the first place. One was a patriot and the other a POS. So it's OK to protect yourself from a dangerous suspect you are trying to apprehend by shooting him.....only if he happens to be a douche bag gangsta from the ghetto? If he happens to be "fighting the good fight" in your eyes, the officer should just roll the dice, use restraint, and hope he isn't going for a gun? I'm very surprised to hear this from you, of all people, Kathie.
I shouldn't say it, but, it'll come out anyhow...the citizens in Grant County put together the meeting because they are all sick & tired of living in fear from the fed and the corrupt bs, judge gasty, from harney county, set up the ambush...they were trying to 'contain' the anti-faux-government ans it was gaining momentum, kinda like Trump, so they set up the ambush and assassinated Lavoy...they only stopped there because nobody was shooting back! How could they call it a 'shoot out' as they originally claimed?
We all better get a lot more paranoid...cuz it's fixing to hit.
btw: the CITIZENS of Burns are having a protest next Monday and have asked the Oathkeepers, the lll Perceters and all patriotic Americans to come, unarmed, so they may have physical support when demanding the sheriff & the judge resign and that ALL federal law enforcement leave their town asap.
THEY finally have the courage to take back their community...and as sad as it is, it took a life to get there. Why would we question that?
I stayed open minded on this until there were more facts. The facts are in. Our government has more blood on its hands and I think they just opened a real can of worms they wished they hadn't. It's time all of those western states get back their land. I see Utah is trying to do it right now. I pray they succeed. |
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Location: Dubuque,IA | I don't know how to copy and paste but there is a lot og info out there and articles fromn the new york times that htere is uranium under all that land and the Clintons are behind selling out a lot of rights to the russians and the government needs to get control of that land. Then it all makes sense!! The governemnt we currently have!!! |
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Enhanced video of the final moments of LaVoy Finicum's life. He put BOTH hands to his left hip. Why would a right handed man go to his left hip with both hands to draw a weapon they said was in his pocket? And that he never drew out of said pocket? Eyewitness account have him being shot repeatedly. You can see one time shot in the back and how many are from other angles. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | raisinrox - 2016-01-29 8:49 PM I don't know how to copy and paste but there is a lot og info out there and articles fromn the new york times that htere is uranium under all that land and the Clintons are behind selling out a lot of rights to the russians and the government needs to get control of that land. Then it all makes sense!! The governemnt we currently have!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_
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