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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | You made a claim, I asked for a source so I can read it myself. I think you don't understand toxicity. Glyphosate is less toxic than things we ingest every day like caffeine and salt and vinegar. It doesn't bioaccumulate. When traces are found in harvested crops, it's in ppm or ppb. Do you understand how much you would have to eat to reach a toxic level? As a human, it would require several tons of corn in a single day.
BH USA, your lack of education is showing. RR crops were created with a process called transgenesis, horizontal gene transfer. This process does occur in nature, the sweet potato is a great example. They add a specific gene to get the desired result and then test the crap out of it to make sure it's equivalent to the original in growth and nutrition, and that there aren't any unexpected proteins that could cause allergies beyond what the original crop had.
Compare this to mutagenesis, where DNA is treated with radiation or chemicals to cause mutations until you get one you like. This is non-Gmo. It can be labeled organic. It's not tested like transgenic crops have been, and you eat food created this way quite often without ever knowing it. Which one sounds scarier? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | cutnrunqhmt - 2016-10-31 3:45 PM
One person you can watch and listen to is Dr Don Huber. I realize you have to weed through the crazies but you also can not just listen to Monsanto.
You do realize there's a crap ton of independent research that backs up what I'm saying, right? Over 2000 studies. Many of which were done on other continents. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 3:55 PM
You made a claim, I asked for a source so I can read it myself. I think you don't understand toxicity. Glyphosate is less toxic than things we ingest every day like caffeine and salt and vinegar. It doesn't bioaccumulate. When traces are found in harvested crops, it's in ppm or ppb. Do you understand how much you would have to eat to reach a toxic level? As a human, it would require several tons of corn in a single day.
BH USA, your lack of education is showing. RR crops were created with a process called transgenesis, horizontal gene transfer. This process does occur in nature, the sweet potato is a great example. They add a specific gene to get the desired result and then test the crap out of it to make sure it's equivalent to the original in growth and nutrition, and that there aren't any unexpected proteins that could cause allergies beyond what the original crop had.
Compare this to mutagenesis, where DNA is treated with radiation or chemicals to cause mutations until you get one you like. This is non-Gmo. It can be labeled organic. It's not tested like transgenic crops have been, and you eat food created this way quite often without ever knowing it. Which one sounds scarier?
Actually I do understand and horses are at 400 ppm to be toxic people are about 15 ppm that is not tons per day and that is per the University that did my testing, they also happen to be the University that developed Round up Ready alfalfa so a pretty good source I would say. It does accumulate in the system do a little reading not wrote by Monsanto. My ground even tested positive and has never been sprayed with round up . You can slam me all you want I am not stupid about this and also not small minded about it. I have done my homework you should too. I didn't mention this issue to start a fight it is information people can be aware of. I am not alone in this like you would like to think and calling me dumb won't change that. You are welcome to eat round up all you want in fact I suggest you get after it and prove me wrong. It is simply a risk I will not take with my own animals you can take or leave it . I also told you that I did not have all of my information on me at the time and did give a name of a man that you can listen to I am sure you will call him an idiot too but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter to me if you think I am wrong. If you have an idea of what killed my horses and made the rest sick surely you can fill me in . Maybe all the vets, DR, Univeristies, scientist ect that I talked to are dumb too I actual welcome a solid idea if you have one .
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 3:59 PM
cutnrunqhmt - 2016-10-31 3:45 PM
One person you can watch and listen to is Dr Don Huber. I realize you have to weed through the crazies but you also can not just listen to Monsanto.
You do realize there's a crap ton of independent research that backs up what I'm saying, right? Over 2000 studies. Many of which were done on other continents.
That goes both ways you know. Do you mean the countries that now won't accept round up ready hay? Clearly we have different views on this. I have read lots of studies on the safety as well they are easy to find. I am done arguing you can listen to the guy I mentioned and there are lots of other sources if you really want to look. I am just going to go back to drooling and being to stupid to function.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Just because I think you're wrong and lacking knowledge doesn't mean I think you're stupid. Why can you not provide sources? Btw, the LD 50 is 5600 mg/kg. Caffeine is 192 mg/kg to compare. Huge difference. And glyphosate does not bioaccumulate and has no residual. It will bind to soil, but this doesn't affect plants growing in the soil. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 4:48 PM
 Just because I think you're wrong and lacking knowledge doesn't mean I think you're stupid.  Why can you not provide sources?   Btw, the LD 50 is 5600 mg/kg. Caffeine is 192 mg/kg to compare.  Huge difference.  And glyphosate does not bioaccumulate and has no residual. It will bind to soil, but this doesn't affect plants growing in the soil.Â
Why is it in plants then. I do not have a list of places and things I read that does not mean I made it up. I am on a new computer and don't have my saved searches. Go search glysophate and horses, round up ready alfalfa and horses. Do a little reading it does have a residual or it wouldn't still be in the ground years later, you can test your blood , urine , hair and bone even and find it. I don't know why it is so hard to believe that while my hay had round up in it proven by testing that it could not be the cause of health issues. Look up symptoms for glysophate poisoning/toxicity and while most pertain to people because there are few studies on animals mine had all symptoms a horse could get. Maybe not in so many words did you call me dumb but by implying I do not know what toxicity is and telling me that all I have learned and been taught you did in fact call me stupid. I can tell you point blank there is a lot out there for you to learn on this issue just because you believe what the label tells you and studies done by the company does not make it all true. There is way more going on than you have any idea about. You go put it out there that you believe round up is bad and cost you thousands of dollars see who shows up and tell me again how safe it is . They wouldn't want you to shut up if all was well with it. When I get all of my stuff up I am happy to share it with you but you don't have to look very hard to find it yourself. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 5:48 PM Just because I think you're wrong and lacking knowledge doesn't mean I think you're stupid. Why can you not provide sources? Btw, the LD 50 is 5600 mg/kg. Caffeine is 192 mg/kg to compare. Huge difference. And glyphosate does not bioaccumulate and has no residual. It will bind to soil, but this doesn't affect plants growing in the soil.
I think you are fighting a losing battle.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-10-31 5:48 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 5:48 PM Â Just because I think you're wrong and lacking knowledge doesn't mean I think you're stupid. Â Why can you not provide sources? Â Â Btw, the LD 50 is 5600 mg/kg. Caffeine is 192 mg/kg to compare. Â Huge difference. Â And glyphosate does not bioaccumulate and has no residual. It will bind to soil, but this doesn't affect plants growing in the soil.Â
I think you are fighting a losing battle.
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You are right. I don't have to believe it is safe any more than any of you have to believe it is harmful . |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | cutnrunqhmt - 2016-10-31 7:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-10-31 5:48 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 5:48 PM Just because I think you're wrong and lacking knowledge doesn't mean I think you're stupid. Why can you not provide sources? Btw, the LD 50 is 5600 mg/kg. Caffeine is 192 mg/kg to compare. Huge difference. And glyphosate does not bioaccumulate and has no residual. It will bind to soil, but this doesn't affect plants growing in the soil. I think you are fighting a losing battle.
You are right. I don't have to believe it is safe any more than any of you have to believe it is harmful .
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 3:55 PM
You made a claim, I asked for a source so I can read it myself. I think you don't understand toxicity. Glyphosate is less toxic than things we ingest every day like caffeine and salt and vinegar. It doesn't bioaccumulate. When traces are found in harvested crops, it's in ppm or ppb. Do you understand how much you would have to eat to reach a toxic level? As a human, it would require several tons of corn in a single day.
BH USA, your lack of education is showing. RR crops were created with a process called transgenesis, horizontal gene transfer. This process does occur in nature, the sweet potato is a great example. They add a specific gene to get the desired result and then test the crap out of it to make sure it's equivalent to the original in growth and nutrition, and that there aren't any unexpected proteins that could cause allergies beyond what the original crop had.
Compare this to mutagenesis, where DNA is treated with radiation or chemicals to cause mutations until you get one you like. This is non-Gmo. It can be labeled organic. It's not tested like transgenic crops have been, and you eat food created this way quite often without ever knowing it. Which one sounds scarier?
People like you are what is wrong with the world ....
Nearly every misstatement you made can be traced to google .. duhhhhh
I suspect you may be a GMO human that has had their brain cells rearranged .
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When man designs something to kill something else ... he then has to lie about the consequences and long term affects on the surrounding country side and on human and animal intake. All of these idiots that work for the company or are in universities receiving grant monies to lie like a dawg about harmful products should be the first to drink a few bottles or take baths in the product to demonstrate how safe it is ... lol
When the guy that made millions on his jogging is good for you book died at the age of 52 I started reading between the lines on all the BS that is fed to the American public to make more money ... Look at all the stupid supplements people feed their horses because of some marketing spiel .... old horse is smart enough NOT to eat the crap sold even if it was found growing wild in his pasture.. lol
As Americans we have to admit we have a bunch of companies that greed is their top order of the day and will do anything to make more money and take more market share in order to make more money and to control an industry ... like Monsanto just bought the big GMO European company .... now they can poison the world and never be charged with anything due to their buying our government officials with a few measly dollars .. .. Same thing has happened with our news media thanks to dimwit Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton changing the ownership laws ...
THIS IS AN EXCELLENT SHOW AND TELL ON THE LIES BEING TOLD ON GMO AND PESTICIDE PRODUCTS ...
Higher yields with less pesticides was the sales pitch for genetically modified seeds. But that has not proved to be the outcome in the United States...
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/doubts-raised-about-promis...
I have to laugh at the impact the last 20 years of computers, cell phones and stupid electronic devices have had on people. Everyday you see people with their heads buried in their ifons getting run over, falling off of bridges and killing other people while driving down the hiways ... Most computer and device users think they are computer smart since they bought some apps with little funny faces on them .... take their apps away and they are dumber than a bucket of dirt ... Look at your cell users ... you never see a happy person using one ... lol
and Please don't reference me when you want to make a fool of yourself with a bunch of non sense you have no idea what it means ...
and to answer your question ...
YOU SOUND SCARIER!!
Hope it is just a Halloween episode you are having ..
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | No, a big part of what's wrong with the world are people who think that because they don't understand something that no one else does either, and then feeling and perpetuating fear of that which they do not understand. You are wrong. You have no clue what you're talking about and wouldn't recognize a good source of information if it slapped you upside your crazy old head. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Three 4 Luck - 2016-11-01 10:00 AM No, a big part of what's wrong with the world are people who think that because they don't understand something that no one else does either, and then feeling and perpetuating fear of that which they do not understand. You are wrong. You have no clue what you're talking about and wouldn't recognize a good source of information if it slapped you upside your crazy old head.
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COLLEGE YOU GRADUATED FROM AND MAJOR AND MINOR FOR A DEGREE??
AND THE PRESENT position YOU HOLD IN THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR??
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-11-01 9:03 AM
 PS get your facts straight. Bayer is buying Monsanto, not the other way around. That's not even science and you can't get it right.Â
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-monsanto-bayer-deal-20160914-...
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-11-01 12:47 PM What are your qualifications to call yourself EDUCATED ?? COLLEGE YOU GRADUATED FROM AND MAJOR AND MINOR FOR A DEGREE?? AND THE PRESENT position YOU HOLD IN THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR??
I have a Bachelor of Science in Ag Business, over 20 years experience farming and growing genetically engineered (GMO) crops, and a lifetime involved in row crop farming. I'm a board member for the Ag Council of Arkansas, and a former member of the County Conservation Board.
My husband has a Master of Science in Agronomy with an emphasis on soils, 14 years experience with the Univ of AR Division of Ag Cooperative Extension Service as a county agent for Ag and staff chair, which involved agronomy advice, research, and demos. He has 12 years of part time farming experience, and 1 year full time. He's a board member and former Chairman of the Tri-State Soybean Forum, and has presented research at several industry conferences.
My dad has a lifetime of experience farming (he's 67 and has never done anything else), has been very involved in research, and travels the country giving talks on sustainble ag and conservation practices. He is current Chairman of the Cotton State Support Committee (which directs where checkoff dollars are spent on research in the state) serves on the Cotton Inc board of directors and is a former alternate for the National Cotton Council and Cotton Board. We are involved in the Discovery Farm program, where researchers measure effects of conservation practices on fertilizer runoff and irrigation efficiency.
My FIL has a phd and is a plant pathologist with the university. My BIL has a phd in weed science and works for private industry in the midwest.
I have a made a hobby of studying GMO science and helping educate consumers on social media about modern farming practices and genetic engineering, and have access to a plethora of resources and experts. Anything I don't know, I can find out. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Three 4 Luck - 2016-11-01 2:14 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-11-01 12:47 PM What are your qualifications to call yourself EDUCATED ?? COLLEGE YOU GRADUATED FROM AND MAJOR AND MINOR FOR A DEGREE?? AND THE PRESENT position YOU HOLD IN THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR?? I have a Bachelor of Science in Ag Business, over 20 years experience farming and growing genetically engineered (GMO) crops, and a lifetime involved in row crop farming. I'm a board member for the Ag Council of Arkansas, and a former member of the County Conservation Board.
My husband has a Master of Science in Agronomy with an emphasis on soils, 14 years experience with the Univ of AR Division of Ag Cooperative Extension Service as a county agent for Ag and staff chair, which involved agronomy advice, research, and demos. He has 12 years of part time farming experience, and 1 year full time. He's a board member and former Chairman of the Tri-State Soybean Forum, and has presented research at several industry conferences.
My dad has a lifetime of experience farming (he's 67 and has never done anything else), has been very involved in research, and travels the country giving talks on sustainble ag and conservation practices. He is current Chairman of the Cotton State Support Committee (which directs where checkoff dollars are spent on research in the state) serves on the Cotton Inc board of directors and is a former alternate for the National Cotton Council and Cotton Board. We are involved in the Discovery Farm program, where researchers measure effects of conservation practices on fertilizer runoff and irrigation efficiency.
My FIL has a phd and is a plant pathologist with the university. My BIL has a phd in weed science and works for private industry in the midwest.
I have a made a hobby of studying GMO science and helping educate consumers on social media about modern farming practices and genetic engineering, and have access to a plethora of resources and experts. Anything I don't know, I can find out.
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Three 4 Luck - 2016-11-01 2:14 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-11-01 12:47 PM What are your qualifications to call yourself EDUCATED ?? COLLEGE YOU GRADUATED FROM AND MAJOR AND MINOR FOR A DEGREE?? AND THE PRESENT position YOU HOLD IN THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR?? I have a Bachelor of Science in Ag Business, over 20 years experience farming and growing genetically engineered (GMO) crops, and a lifetime involved in row crop farming. Â I'm a board member for the Ag Council of Arkansas, and a former member of the County Conservation Board.
 My husband has a Master of Science in Agronomy with an emphasis on soils, 14 years experience with the Univ of AR Division of Ag Cooperative Extension Service as a county agent for Ag and staff chair, which involved agronomy advice, research, and demos.  He has 12 years of part time farming experience, and 1 year full time.  He's a board member and former Chairman of the Tri-State Soybean Forum, and has presented research at several industry conferences.
 My dad has a lifetime of experience farming (he's 67 and has never done anything else), has been very involved in research, and travels the country giving talks on sustainble ag and conservation practices.  He is current Chairman of the Cotton State Support Committee (which directs where checkoff dollars are spent on research in the state) serves on the Cotton Inc board of directors and is a former alternate for the National Cotton Council and Cotton Board.  We are involved in the Discovery Farm program, where researchers measure effects of conservation practices on fertilizer runoff and irrigation efficiency.
 My FIL has a phd and is a plant pathologist with the university.  My BIL has a phd in weed science and works for private industry in the midwest.
 I have a made a hobby of studying GMO science and helping educate consumers on social media about modern farming practices and genetic engineering, and have access to a plethora of resources and experts.  Anything I don't know, I can find out.Â
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Location: Illinois | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-11-01 12:47 PM What are your qualifications to call yourself EDUCATED ?? COLLEGE YOU GRADUATED FROM AND MAJOR AND MINOR FOR A DEGREE?? AND THE PRESENT position YOU HOLD IN THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR??
Wasn't really going to get into this but I have a real life M.S. in Molecular Genetics from an actual college and not Google. Hold multiple patents for genetic defects in cattle and have 12 or so defect tests licensed in US, Canada, Europe, and Australia. Does that qualify me to discuss genetics in your eyes? Three4Luck is dead on accurate on everything said. I also have experience with gene-editing and have worked on and produced a genetically edited pig. We have done the experiments, whole genome sequencing, RNA-seq, expression studies, etc.. I guess I'm just one of those lazy people collecting a salary though right?
Foreign countries ban on GMO products has nothing to do with safety, it's a political issue. In fact, there is a higher scientific consensus on GMO safety than man-made climate change. As far as Dr. Huber goes, I can't find any peer-reviewed journal articles of his work. So until that happens, I don't believe a word of it. If you have a peer-reviewed journal article with actual data that has not been retracted due to falsifying data please share because I can't find one on PubMed. Again I'm not calling you stupid either so don't take it that way, I deal with facts that can be proven not based on emotion.
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