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| Turnburnsis - 2018-01-04 5:42 PM
That 26001 rule is not very much weight as far as rigs go. I have a 3/4 Dodge that weighs 8,300 (something like that but close I will have to look again) and an elite 3h 4' shortwall trailer that is 14500 in weight. I usually only haul 1-2 horses at a time. and I was in the process of turning it into a weekend quarter without the tanks. that sure doesn't give me much room at all.
Exactly.
And it’s not physical weight, it’s GVWR or sticker weight. I was using what google was telling me for sticker weights (it’s cold outside!) but actually looked last night when doing chores, google told me my 3500’s gvwr was 9900, it’s actually 11,400 - which means it’s technically a commercial motor vehicle and I need a cdl to drive just the truck itself (if I’m reading correctly). So we are closer to 29,000 hooked onto the trailer.
Yes I’m aware CDLs aren’t hard to get - just hadn’t risen to the top of our priority list yet. It’s moving up more quickly now. |
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| This may have been posted already, I did not read all the pages. I fit into this category, over the weight but I do not claim any expenses. According to the I do not need a CDL:
In explanation, amateur owners/non-pros are exempt from the commercial vehicle status if they’re hauling for recreational purposes: you can still load up your horses and go trail riding, and you can still haul your horse to go show for fun as long as you are not deducting your expenses for tax purposes for a business and counting any prize monies as ordinary income (not business income). Essentially, for the recreational horse owner, there’s no need to worry about installing an ELD as hauling is not considered commercial.
Agricultural exemptions also apply to CMVs: the full list of agricultural exemptions can be found here. For transporting horses under the agricultural exemption, you may travel within a 150-mile radius from the source of your commodity without requiring an ELD — in this case, let’s assume your load of horses from your home barn. You may also travel outside of that 150-mile radius no more than eight days every 30 days with the use of a paper log (no need to use an ELD). |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | OhMax - 2018-01-04 1:42 PM BS Hauler - 2018-01-04 9:34 AM I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that. Can you? Because my 3H 9’ short wall Lakota pulled by a 3500 dually has a GVWR of 26,900. I have pulled it with a 2500 and would rather not.
oh gosh that is what I haul with. Wondering if I am under the limit, you just answered my question. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | BS Hauler - 2018-01-04 10:34 AM I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that.
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Location: sunny california | fulltiltfilly - 2018-01-05 7:03 AM BS Hauler - 2018-01-04 10:34 AM I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that. This was my thought too
yes but when does it end? they will just figure out what we are using and rewrite the mandates to fit us in. also for all those that are saying well it doesn't effect me... I am not a professional, one day this overreaching habit will effect you. that is how it works just slowly boil the frog.
look you trail riders.. one day they will claim that your horse is your psychiatrist and you pay him with feed so that is a commericial enterprise!
Honestly everyone needs a network of friends in every state that they trail ride with, so the location on the health papers is a freinds house. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2018-01-05 6:52 AM
This may have been posted already, I did not read all the pages. I fit into this category, over the weight but I do not claim any expenses. According to the I do not need a CDL:In explanation, amateur owners/non-pros are exempt from the commercial vehicle status if they’re hauling for recreational purposes: you can still load up your horses and go trail riding, and you can still haul your horse to go show for fun as long as you are not deducting your expenses for tax purposes for a business and counting any prize monies as ordinary income (not business income ). Essentially, for the recreational horse owner, there’s no need to worry about installing an ELD as hauling is not considered commercial. Agricultural exemptions also apply to CMVs: the full list of agricultural exemptions can be found here. For transporting horses under the agricultural exemption, you may travel within a 150-mile radius from the source of your commodity without requiring an ELD — in this case, let’s assume your load of horses from your home barn. You may also travel outside of that 150-mile radius no more than eight days every 30 days with the use of a paper log (no need to use an ELD ).
150 air miles and 8 times a month screw a lot of us who rodeo...
Traveling across state lines also messes it up for us.
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| OhMax - 2018-01-05 10:06 AM rodeomom3 - 2018-01-05 6:52 AM This may have been posted already, I did not read all the pages. I fit into this category, over the weight but I do not claim any expenses. According to the I do not need a CDL:
In explanation, amateur owners/non-pros are exempt from the commercial vehicle status if they’re hauling for recreational purposes: you can still load up your horses and go trail riding, and you can still haul your horse to go show for fun as long as you are not deducting your expenses for tax purposes for a business and counting any prize monies as ordinary income (not business income ). Essentially, for the recreational horse owner, there’s no need to worry about installing an ELD as hauling is not considered commercial.
Agricultural exemptions also apply to CMVs: the full list of agricultural exemptions can be found here. For transporting horses under the agricultural exemption, you may travel within a 150-mile radius from the source of your commodity without requiring an ELD — in this case, let’s assume your load of horses from your home barn. You may also travel outside of that 150-mile radius no more than eight days every 30 days with the use of a paper log (no need to use an ELD ). 150 air miles and 8 times a month screw a lot of us who rodeo... Traveling across state lines also messes it up for us. We’ve pretty much decided to get CDL’s.
Yep, for us weekend warriors who stay local, looks like it is not an issue. I sure hope it is not as much of a hassle for the rest of you as it appears it could be. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2018-01-05 12:08 PM OhMax - 2018-01-05 10:06 AM rodeomom3 - 2018-01-05 6:52 AM This may have been posted already, I did not read all the pages. I fit into this category, over the weight but I do not claim any expenses. According to the I do not need a CDL:
In explanation, amateur owners/non-pros are exempt from the commercial vehicle status if they’re hauling for recreational purposes: you can still load up your horses and go trail riding, and you can still haul your horse to go show for fun as long as you are not deducting your expenses for tax purposes for a business and counting any prize monies as ordinary income (not business income ). Essentially, for the recreational horse owner, there’s no need to worry about installing an ELD as hauling is not considered commercial.
Agricultural exemptions also apply to CMVs: the full list of agricultural exemptions can be found here. For transporting horses under the agricultural exemption, you may travel within a 150-mile radius from the source of your commodity without requiring an ELD — in this case, let’s assume your load of horses from your home barn. You may also travel outside of that 150-mile radius no more than eight days every 30 days with the use of a paper log (no need to use an ELD ). 150 air miles and 8 times a month screw a lot of us who rodeo... Traveling across state lines also messes it up for us. We’ve pretty much decided to get CDL’s.
It sucks because I live within 20 minutes of 2 borders and there are close GOOD barrel races across them. Not to mention bonus race finals in Nebraska.
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| The people at the DMV are going to wonder why the sudden influx of crazy women who want to obtain a CDL! |
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| If your gvw is over 26,000 or you charge a fee for hauling you must have a CDL. That is way more than most of our rigs. That is federal |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | streakysox - 2018-01-05 1:51 PM If your gvw is over 26,000 or you charge a fee for hauling you must have a CDL. That is way more than most of our rigs. That is federal
that's not way more than most rigs.
I would venture a guess that more are 26001 than are not.
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Location: North Texas | streakysox - 2018-01-05 12:51 PM
If your gvw is over 26,000 or you charge a fee for hauling you must have a CDL. That is way more than most of our rigs. That is federal
You are a teacher. Do the math for the GVWR of a new one ton dually pulling a three horse eight foot short living trailer. I am quite confident the combined wieghts from the data plates will tally up to over 26,001lbs. which by federal law requires a CDL....................................... |
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| I have a 3/4 ton and pull a 3 horse 4 ft short wall. Most of the rigs where I go are about this size. There are certainly some that pull with dually trucks. By the way, yesterday AQHA had posted there was a 90 delay on enforcing this law. Check it out.
Did a quick search.
Dually (Dodge). GVW. 9900-11300
Horse four horse trailer with 12 short wall. Approximately 10,000 (that was kind of an average). High was 11,000 low was 9000 Platinum)
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Location: Good ole SE Mo | We just bought a 2017 3500 Dodge Cab and Chassis. It's GVW is 14,000 ( I'm 99% sure it could have been 12,000) but that right there from what I read makes me need a CDL to just drive it alone across state lines. Or am I wrong on that? At the moment I only have a 2 horse bumper pull so I am good there I think but not across state lines? Since it's 10,000 lbs to cross the line. I think I will probably just end up getting a CDL one day if they let me test in my rig not a 18 wheeler. I know I can pass the written and the driving but that dang pre trip check is gonna be a doozy haha |
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| roperqueen - 2018-01-05 3:04 PM
We just bought a 2017 3500 Dodge Cab and Chassis. It's GVW is 14,000 ( I'm 99% sure it could have been 12,000) but that right there from what I read makes me need a CDL to just drive it alone across state lines. Or am I wrong on that? At the moment I only have a 2 horse bumper pull so I am good there I think but not across state lines? Since it's 10,000 lbs to cross the line. I think I will probably just end up getting a CDL one day if they let me test in my rig not a 18 wheeler. I know I can pass the written and the driving but that dang pre trip check is gonna be a doozy haha
I don't think you need one. Remember that GROSS vehicle weight is totally loaded. I went out and looked at the GROSS WEIGHT on my trailer. the axles max capicity is 6000. The GROSS weight is 12578. That means the weight on my trailer is less that 7,000. Somehow I don't think the DPS is going to stop everyone and weigh them. I did see a DPS weighing a fully loaded log truck yesterday but that is a little different. I think a daully is considered a light truck.
Look on the AQHA site. It says there is going to be a 90 day postponement of the law anyway. Just for the record being a member of certain organization that stick up for its members has come advantages. |
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| foundation horse - 2018-01-05 1:21 PM
streakysox - 2018-01-05 12:51 PM
If your gvw is over 26,000 or you charge a fee for hauling you must have a CDL. That is way more than most of our rigs. That is federal
You are a teacher. Do the math for the GVWR of a new one ton dually pulling a three horse eight foot short living trailer. I am quite confident the combined wieghts from the data plates will tally up to over 26,001lbs. which by federal law requires a CDL.......................................
So you think teachers know everything? Thank you, I am truly flattered. |
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Location: Central Texas | streakysox - 2018-01-05 3:14 PM roperqueen - 2018-01-05 3:04 PM We just bought a 2017 3500 Dodge Cab and Chassis. It's GVW is 14,000 ( I'm 99% sure it could have been 12,000) but that right there from what I read makes me need a CDL to just drive it alone across state lines. Or am I wrong on that? At the moment I only have a 2 horse bumper pull so I am good there I think but not across state lines? Since it's 10,000 lbs to cross the line. I think I will probably just end up getting a CDL one day if they let me test in my rig not a 18 wheeler. I know I can pass the written and the driving but that dang pre trip check is gonna be a doozy haha I don't think you need one. Remember that GROSS vehicle weight is totally loaded. I went out and looked at the GROSS WEIGHT on my trailer. the axles max capicity is 6000. The GROSS weight is 12578. That means the weight on my trailer is less that 7,000. Somehow I don't think the DPS is going to stop everyone and weigh them. I did see a DPS weighing a fully loaded log truck yesterday but that is a little different. I think a daully is considered a light truck. Look on the AQHA site. It says there is going to be a 90 day postponement of the law anyway. Just for the record being a member of certain organization that stick up for its members has come advantages.
I think you are missing the fact that The Law goes by the GVWR that is on the manufacturer's sticker on the vehicles.
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| Nateracer - 2018-01-05 12:11 PM
rodeomom3 - 2018-01-05 12:08 PM OhMax - 2018-01-05 10:06 AM rodeomom3 - 2018-01-05 6:52 AM This may have been posted already, I did not read all the pages. I fit into this category, over the weight but I do not claim any expenses. According to the I do not need a CDL:
In explanation, amateur owners/non-pros are exempt from the commercial vehicle status if they’re hauling for recreational purposes: you can still load up your horses and go trail riding, and you can still haul your horse to go show for fun as long as you are not deducting your expenses for tax purposes for a business and counting any prize monies as ordinary income (not business income ). Essentially, for the recreational horse owner, there’s no need to worry about installing an ELD as hauling is not considered commercial.
Agricultural exemptions also apply to CMVs: the full list of agricultural exemptions can be found here. For transporting horses under the agricultural exemption, you may travel within a 150-mile radius from the source of your commodity without requiring an ELD — in this case, let’s assume your load of horses from your home barn. You may also travel outside of that 150-mile radius no more than eight days every 30 days with the use of a paper log (no need to use an ELD ). 150 air miles and 8 times a month screw a lot of us who rodeo... Traveling across state lines also messes it up for us. We’ve pretty much decided to get CDL’s.
Guess I'll get a book and get to studying.
from the YouTube video posted on here talking about elds on page 5 or 6, if you are still 150 air mile radius from home and cross a state border you are still exempt from an EDL because you are still in your home radius. It was a good video to watch! |
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| BTW from the YouTube video on page 5 or 6 posted about ELDs it stated that if a person is hauling campers or RVs that are for sale from one store location to the next for the company, they are exempt from needing an EDL no matter how far you haul from how I understood it. . Now tell me how they are exempt but livestock is not? That is the biggest BS I've ever heard! |
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| streakysox - 2018-01-05 3:14 PM
roperqueen - 2018-01-05 3:04 PM
We just bought a 2017 3500 Dodge Cab and Chassis. It's GVW is 14,000 ( I'm 99% sure it could have been 12,000) but that right there from what I read makes me need a CDL to just drive it alone across state lines. Or am I wrong on that? At the moment I only have a 2 horse bumper pull so I am good there I think but not across state lines? Since it's 10,000 lbs to cross the line. I think I will probably just end up getting a CDL one day if they let me test in my rig not a 18 wheeler. I know I can pass the written and the driving but that dang pre trip check is gonna be a doozy haha
I don't think you need one. Remember that GROSS vehicle weight is totally loaded. I went out and looked at the GROSS WEIGHT on my trailer. the axles max capicity is 6000. The GROSS weight is 12578. That means the weight on my trailer is less that 7,000. Somehow I don't think the DPS is going to stop everyone and weigh them. I did see a DPS weighing a fully loaded log truck yesterday but that is a little different. I think a daully is considered a light truck.
Look on the AQHA site. It says there is going to be a 90 day postponement of the law anyway. Just for the record being a member of certain organization that stick up for its members has come advantages.
So you’re talking apples and oranges.
CDL needs are determined by gross vehicle weight rating stickers. Trucks have one, trailers have one, add them together and you have your rated rig weight - if it’s over 26,001 you need a CDL or if you towing vehicle is over 10,000. Our 2008 Duramax’s GVWR is 11,400. Our 3H 9’ shortwall Lakota is 17,500ish - this is not physical weight in either case, it is the max weight the rig is rated for when loaded to max capacity. Physical weight is not consistent enough to use to determine licensing needs - does not make sense to need a CDL when I haul all 3 horses packed down for a week on the road but not when I only haul 1 to the vet for the day with minimal added weight in hay and water tack etc.
When the DOT pulls you over he’s going to look at the sticker weights and determine that you need to have a CDL. More than likely he’s not going to weigh you UNLESS he has reason to believe you are overloaded. If he’s got portable scales or a weigh station is close and he wants to be a d!ck, he might run you over them. Unless you’ve really got some big ponies and a lot of crap in your trailer, you’re probably going to be under weight.
That is why you see trucks getting weighed and the purpose of weigh stations. Most interstate highways have a weight limit of 80,000 lbs - they’re looking for the guys hauling more than that. Or smaller rigs rated for say 50,000lbs and weighing in at more than that - nothing to do with the drivers CDL status, other than they need one to drive the truck because of the gross weight it can weigh.
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