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OregonBR
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Dan Bongino had a program on this topic this week. He made some excellent points.
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Frodo - 2019-01-31 12:59 PM All the news we heard in the last couple of days about liberals and late-term abortion......liberal media isn't carrying this (shocker) so when you talk to folks who are liberal about this subject, they don't even know what you're talking about and get defensive.  MSM protects them from reality.





 

I know...they brought this up this morning on Fox and Friends. There has been a big ole 'zero' when it comes to MSM coverage about the outrage of these Laws. The Libs don't know. Like last night, when you tell them... they're like no that can't be right and then it's I don't agree with that at all. It is like they are shocked. 

Also, that VA Law never got out of the State sub-committee. The VA Governor is getting a ton of blacklash for what he said on a local radio program. Good...serves him right. But, Trump is the dictator... he is the all evil being. Un-huh.
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I just got into a BIG/HUGE fight with my 65YO neighbor over this whole topic of this thread. It got so very bad that my husband had to referee. He got out of hand too and had to yell at him. I'll explain.

My neighbor is a very kind woman that sees all the good in people, to a fault. I do not. We can disagree on A LOT with people and what they are from the very beginning of meeting them. However, she claims to be the 'old Democrat' that her parents were.

We got into it tonight talking about this thread and what the new NY Law was. She didn't agree with the NY Law.
BUT... she was INSISTING that Hillary wasn't like that or for that; and Hillary DID NOT believe in that. I told her that Hillary worshipped Margaret Sanger as an idol, and did believe in partial birth abortion and Hillary FULLY believed in women's reproductive rights SOLELY up to birth. I told her that Elizabeth Warren was that way and so was Kamala Harris and every other Dem running for 2020. She said 'no' they were NOT and I lost it!  BIG time. I told her to look it up. She said she would and she will not. She does that ALL the time...just convienently forgets and it is never discussed again.

My husband jumped in and tried to say that we were friends and she made a nice dinner tonight. AND, I was out of line yelling. I responded with 'exactly what is your point?' She did not agree with the NY Law BUT still continues to vote Dem or people that believe in this Law. She justified it by saying Trump 'scares' her!!!!  I went off again!!!

The long and short of it is that...it has been an absolute TOTAL nightmare tonight with my longtime friend/neighbor AND my husband (that tried to make peace). I am way PO'd with him trying to calm me down.  I am like a big ole bull seeing red on this. Absolutely no negotiation whatsoever. I know I am bad. Isn't that the first step in Re-Hab? Admitting you have a problem? LOL

She is a straight Dem across the board, doesn't research...just votes Democrat because that what her parents did and what she does. AND... Trump scares her but CANNOT answer 'why' when I ask her why?!?!?!?

So....that is MY night in a nut shell. It has been a nightmare on so many levels I can't even begin to say ALL of what happened. I am exhausted mentally...physically fine. Uggghhh!!!

I really really really dislike that.....when someone on either side of the fence votes straight across the flipping board one side without having a CLUE what those candidates actually stand for. Ugh.

I'm one that use to pick and choose. But I haven't seen a good democrat for decades. So ya. I'm not voting for any of them. They stick together like rice on every topic and it's the wrong side. The only alternative is republican. So that's who I vote for.

This year the GOP in my great state of Oregon chose an Effing RINO. The other candidate in the primary was a much better choice. But they didn't back him. So the RINO won the primary and lost to a dem in the general election AGAIN! The dems have a supermajority in congress and the governor. We now have 24 new taxes or fee increases effective in 2018. YaY us...... :(
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OregonBR
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rckEXMemMQ Dan Bongino today.
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Gator Bug
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OregonBR - 2019-01-31 1:58 PM
MOGirl07 - 2019-01-30 8:08 PM
Gator Bug - 2019-01-30 9:38 PM I just got into a BIG/HUGE fight with my 65YO neighbor over this whole topic of this thread. It got so very bad that my husband had to referee. He got out of hand too and had to yell at him. I'll explain.

My neighbor is a very kind woman that sees all the good in people, to a fault. I do not. We can disagree on A LOT with people and what they are from the very beginning of meeting them. However, she claims to be the 'old Democrat' that her parents were.

We got into it tonight talking about this thread and what the new NY Law was. She didn't agree with the NY Law.
BUT... she was INSISTING that Hillary wasn't like that or for that; and Hillary DID NOT believe in that. I told her that Hillary worshipped Margaret Sanger as an idol, and did believe in partial birth abortion and Hillary FULLY believed in women's reproductive rights SOLELY up to birth. I told her that Elizabeth Warren was that way and so was Kamala Harris and every other Dem running for 2020. She said 'no' they were NOT and I lost it!  BIG time. I told her to look it up. She said she would and she will not. She does that ALL the time...just convienently forgets and it is never discussed again.

My husband jumped in and tried to say that we were friends and she made a nice dinner tonight. AND, I was out of line yelling. I responded with 'exactly what is your point?' She did not agree with the NY Law BUT still continues to vote Dem or people that believe in this Law. She justified it by saying Trump 'scares' her!!!!  I went off again!!!

The long and short of it is that...it has been an absolute TOTAL nightmare tonight with my longtime friend/neighbor AND my husband (that tried to make peace). I am way PO'd with him trying to calm me down.  I am like a big ole bull seeing red on this. Absolutely no negotiation whatsoever. I know I am bad. Isn't that the first step in Re-Hab? Admitting you have a problem? LOL

She is a straight Dem across the board, doesn't research...just votes Democrat because that what her parents did and what she does. AND... Trump scares her but CANNOT answer 'why' when I ask her why?!?!?!?

So....that is MY night in a nut shell. It has been a nightmare on so many levels I can't even begin to say ALL of what happened. I am exhausted mentally...physically fine. Uggghhh!!!
I really really really dislike that.....when someone on either side of the fence votes straight across the flipping board one side without having a CLUE what those candidates actually stand for. Ugh.
I'm one that use to pick and choose. But I haven't seen a good democrat for decades. So ya. I'm not voting for any of them. They stick together like rice on every topic and it's the wrong side. The only alternative is republican. So that's who I vote for. This year the GOP in my great state of Oregon chose an Effing RINO. The other candidate in the primary was a much better choice. But they didn't back him. So the RINO won the primary and lost to a dem in the general election AGAIN! The dems have a supermajority in congress and the governor. We now have 24 new taxes or fee increases effective in 2018. YaY us...... :(


Well...I did pick/choose before too.

For decades, I was the epitome of the 'fiscal conservative, more social liberal' type of voter.

I really never knew exactly just 'how far right' I was until I got SHOVED there.


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kmfunk22
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rodeomom3 - 2019-01-30 5:16 AM Virginia is proposing the same law, you can kill the baby up until time of dialation. Murder plain and simple.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/01/29/virginia-democrat-proposes-bill-legalizing-abortion-until-birth/
Yep. I saw that too. I think Vermont is also looking at a very similar Law as well.

I could not believe when the Virginia Rep proposing the Law said that you could abort up until dialation and labor?!?!?!? The NY Law isn't any different. They just were not asked the way the VA Rep was. NY Reps just said up until birth. Unreal.

This is not abortion, but infantcide.  
Geez they don't even add a clause for the "health" of the mother. This is disgusting.
I went to a liberal FB page and the spin they are putting on it is the right side is claiming that the law states unrestricted until birth, that those who oppose it are misinformed.   I posted the above video and asked why it was necessary to kill the baby to save the mother- crickets.  


Yes, thank you for trying. When confronted, it is no wonder that it was crickets.

It is just mind blowing how they can justify this. What I saw this morning on the news in VA was disgusting. When the state committee member asked the state rep how far an abortion could go and she was 'proud' of the law she wrote and sponsored. And... the VA Governor is anxious to sign it. It is almost like one state has to match or out-do the other! It is like a contest to see who can kill/murder more babies!!! It is appalling!!!

I just REALLY do not know what we are becoming. I mean when a Boarder Wall is immoral and infantcide is not...exactly just WHAT is that?!?!?!?! Or that Trump is the one that is a Nazi, Fascist or a Racist?!?!? They need to look in the mirror at this/these Law(s).

And they call us misinformed?!??!? We have seen videos of this so-called late term abortion, have they? I followed the Gosnell Trial VERY closely and it was my pivotal moment to change my position...logically...no emotion involved. Did they follow the Gosnell Trial or even know of it? I am sure the answer would be a big ole 'NO' on both questions.

God help me...IF Texas EVER does something like this. You will see me on the National news at a Protest and I will have been arrested.

I mean you can tell/see on this Forum...NONE of our very Liberal BB friends have been/posted on this thread. Same thing... crickets!!!

Another thing I've never gotten a straight answer out of a liberal on is when does the fetus actually become a baby? At what week of gestation? At what point are they a human being with rights?

A lot of them say they become "human" when once viable outside of the womb. But these same people are on board with the NY law. Makes no sense!!!!
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So, back to the original topic, consider this.
There’s a lot of debate over what makes a person gay, right? Some say environment (ie: abuse). Others say it’s genetic. Many, if not most gay folks will swear they knew they were gay their entire lives....basically, that they were born gay. There’s quite a lot of research going into identifying genetic markers common in gay people.

So....what will happen if a “gay gene” is finally definitively discovered? What if parents were able to determine, with a high degree of accuracy, that their unborn child would most likely be gay?
Mind you, this is NOT an indictment on gays. But the truth is that a LOT of parents would elect to have an abortion, under those circumstances.

What would ensue? I’ll tell you what....all the
LGBTQ people would do a 180 so fast, your head would spin!
They would almost all become pro-life....bank on it.
Chew on that for a while.

Here endeth the lesson.....I’m heading to my first barrel race in a year!
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Gator Bug
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Posted 2019-01-31 2:49 PM
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Gator Bug - 2019-01-30 5:42 AM
rodeomom3 - 2019-01-30 5:16 AM Virginia is proposing the same law, you can kill the baby up until time of dialation. Murder plain and simple.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/01/29/virginia-democrat-proposes-bill-legalizing-abortion-until-birth/
Yep. I saw that too. I think Vermont is also looking at a very similar Law as well.

I could not believe when the Virginia Rep proposing the Law said that you could abort up until dialation and labor?!?!?!? The NY Law isn't any different. They just were not asked the way the VA Rep was. NY Reps just said up until birth. Unreal.

This is not abortion, but infantcide.  
Geez they don't even add a clause for the "health" of the mother. This is disgusting.
I went to a liberal FB page and the spin they are putting on it is the right side is claiming that the law states unrestricted until birth, that those who oppose it are misinformed.   I posted the above video and asked why it was necessary to kill the baby to save the mother- crickets.  


Yes, thank you for trying. When confronted, it is no wonder that it was crickets.

It is just mind blowing how they can justify this. What I saw this morning on the news in VA was disgusting. When the state committee member asked the state rep how far an abortion could go and she was 'proud' of the law she wrote and sponsored. And... the VA Governor is anxious to sign it. It is almost like one state has to match or out-do the other! It is like a contest to see who can kill/murder more babies!!! It is appalling!!!

I just REALLY do not know what we are becoming. I mean when a Boarder Wall is immoral and infantcide is not...exactly just WHAT is that?!?!?!?! Or that Trump is the one that is a Nazi, Fascist or a Racist?!?!? They need to look in the mirror at this/these Law(s).

And they call us misinformed?!??!? We have seen videos of this so-called late term abortion, have they? I followed the Gosnell Trial VERY closely and it was my pivotal moment to change my position...logically...no emotion involved. Did they follow the Gosnell Trial or even know of it? I am sure the answer would be a big ole 'NO' on both questions.

God help me...IF Texas EVER does something like this. You will see me on the National news at a Protest and I will have been arrested.

I mean you can tell/see on this Forum...NONE of our very Liberal BB friends have been/posted on this thread. Same thing... crickets!!!
Another thing I've never gotten a straight answer out of a liberal on is when does the fetus actually become a baby? At what week of gestation? At what point are they a human being with rights? A lot of them say they become "human" when once viable outside of the womb. But these same people are on board with the NY law. Makes no sense!!!!


No, it does not make ANY sense. It is just a fetus, tissue or a blood clot while in the womb. BUT... do not kill a pregnant woman in NY, then it is a human. It is ALL nuts and without justification.  It is only a human to Libs when it is born. However, this is where the new NY Law and the proposed VA Law goes wrong with the abortion up until birth. If the woman gives birth and the baby is actually born and alive, it is up to the doctor and the mother to decide what to do with it at that point.

There are mental health issues that a doctor can site under all these Laws. At birth they can decide to have an abortion and/or then decide to terminate it or not render any assistance. That is exactly what Gosnell did. And he could NOT and would NOT be prosecuted under these new laws. 

The Libs won't answer as to what 'week' it is okay to do, because there is none.  It is until birth/labor with the Libs.


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OregonBR
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One more point. The super majority and governor will be passing a bill exactly like the NY one. Mark my words. I'll let you know when that happens.
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vjls - 2019-01-31 2:52 PM goverment has no business funding these  or abortion  pay for it yourself  goverment has no business jails included paying for transgender





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I was just looking up some info on the movie Gosnell and saw where some theatres refused to show it, at other theatres moviegoers were denied tickets or were told it wasn't showing (when it was).  This was a liberal action for obvious reasons given today's push for late-term abortion.  Plus Dean Cain who starred in it is conservative and appears often on FOX.  I love him. 
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bear have fun 
I was just looking up some info on the movie Gosnell and saw where some theatres refused to show it, at other theatres moviegoers were denied tickets or were told it wasn't showing (when it was).  This was a liberal action for obvious reasons given today's push for late-term abortion.  Plus Dean Cain who starred in it is conservative and appears often on FOX.  I love him. 


Does not surprise me at all with this Gosnell film. The actual trial did NOT get any play except for FOX and Kimberly Guilfoyle. She got me tipped off and actually tuned in back 3-4 years ago when the trial was going on.

Like I have said, that Trial was my pivot point and that was when I was horrified. No 'faux news' there.

Gosnell was nothing but PURE evil, heinous and an absolute monster.

But, with these new Laws that states have passed or proposed, he would be legal.  


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Bear - 2019-01-31 12:41 PM

So, back to the original topic, consider this.
There’s a lot of debate over what makes a person gay, right? Some say environment (ie: abuse). Others say it’s genetic. Many, if not most gay folks will swear they knew they were gay their entire lives....basically, that they were born gay. There’s quite a lot of research going into identifying genetic markers common in gay people.

So....what will happen if a “gay gene” is finally definitively discovered? What if parents were able to determine, with a high degree of accuracy, that their unborn child would most likely be gay?
Mind you, this is NOT an indictment on gays. But the truth is that a LOT of parents would elect to have an abortion, under those circumstances.

What would ensue? I’ll tell you what....all the
LGBTQ people would do a 180 so fast, your head would spin!
They would almost all become pro-life....bank on it.
Chew on that for a while.

Here endeth the lesson.....I’m heading to my first barrel race in a year!

That may happen. But that's a future possibility.

Here's what I think should be happening now. Let me ask why are the LGBTQ people liberals now? Why are women liberals? It makes no sense at all to me.

Liberals support islam. That right there is MY biggest fear. I don't give a rats behind if you're gay as long as you don't force me your beliefs on me. Don't make me support your lifestyle or make me bake a cake for you if that's my job. Go find someone who wants your money.

But if you're gay or lesbian. If you're a woman or an animal lover, islam is your worst enemy. They hate gays, lesbians, they beat, rape and kill women for getting uppity and want to eat or kill all your pets. That's who they are. They aren't trying to hide that from anyone. How the h*ll can the liberals be so blind? Please correct me if I'm wrong. But when have you ever heard of a muslim having an abortion unless it was because she had the sh*t beat out of her and she lost the pregnancy?

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Bear - 2019-01-31 12:41 PM

So, back to the original topic, consider this.
There’s a lot of debate over what makes a person gay, right? Some say environment (ie: abuse). Others say it’s genetic. Many, if not most gay folks will swear they knew they were gay their entire lives....basically, that they were born gay. There’s quite a lot of research going into identifying genetic markers common in gay people.

So....what will happen if a “gay gene” is finally definitively discovered? What if parents were able to determine, with a high degree of accuracy, that their unborn child would most likely be gay?
Mind you, this is NOT an indictment on gays. But the truth is that a LOT of parents would elect to have an abortion, under those circumstances.

What would ensue? I’ll tell you what....all the
LGBTQ people would do a 180 so fast, your head would spin!
They would almost all become pro-life....bank on it.
Chew on that for a while.

Here endeth the lesson.....I’m heading to my first barrel race in a year!

That may happen. But that's a future possibility.

Here's what I think should be happening now. Let me ask why are the LGBTQ people liberals now? Why are women liberals? It makes no sense at all to me.

Liberals support islam. That right there is MY biggest fear. I don't give a rats behind if you're gay as long as you don't force me your beliefs on me. Don't make me support your lifestyle or make me bake a cake for you if that's my job. Go find someone who wants your money.

But if you're gay or lesbian. If you're a woman or an animal lover, islam is your worst enemy. They hate gays, lesbians, they beat, rape and kill women for getting uppity and want to eat or kill all your pets. That's who they are. They aren't trying to hide that from anyone. How the h*ll can the liberals be so blind? Please correct me if I'm wrong. But when have you ever heard of a muslim having an abortion unless it was because she had the sh*t beat out of her and she lost the pregnancy?

To liberals, all is fair in love and war, and that includes grotesque hypocrisy, contradictions, and double standards. They don’t have to worry about those things because they have the mainstream media protecting their flanks.

- Women are still treated like sh!t in the Middle East.
- With few exceptions, LGBTQ people are persecuted, and in many cases, executed in the most horrific ways.
- By and large, abortion is strictly limited or, in some cases, outlawed.

Here in the US those groups, along with liberals make for strange bedfellows. Nobody confronts Muslims for taking sides with liberals and nobody confronts liberals for embracing Muslims, in spite of their customary 8th century traditions back in their homeland.

Why? Identity politics, that’s why.

Going forward, with all these extermination’s of potential newborn liberal voters, they have to come up with a means of replacing all those voters who have fallen victim of infanticide. Their answer:
Illegal immigrants. They must do whatever they can to insure a constant infusion of liberal voters across our borders.

The bad news for them, at least over the past couple years, is that Trump’s popularity has been steadily rising amongst Latinos and Blacks. Some of the most outspoken conservatives in this country are Black Americans. They are realizing that Trump’s message and goals benefit them more than any president in recent history.

Full disclosure: my grandfather immigrated here in 1910 as a Muslim from what is now Lebanon. He met my Grandmother, who was a Christian-Lebanese. I was raised by them, and grew up surrounded by beautiful, hard working, generous, Arab-American patriots who were beloved and respected in my small ND town. We all celebrated Christmas together, and I have nothing but fondness of those memories.
Thankfully, I was raised a Christian, as was my father and uncle.
My grandfather was not a very devout Muslim, but we knew many who were and it was never ever a problem. Mutual respect, and a common love of our country prevailed. That’s how it was for generations.
Sadly, those days of harmony, common values, and respect are becoming an anachronism.

Why? Identity politics, that’s why.

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I just got done watching a movie called "12 Strong". This was the first time the American military went into Afghanistan after 9-11. It was based on true events. There was a pivotal point in the movie where they had to trust each other in order to achieve the goal of driving the Taliban out of a certain city. The leader of a faction of the Afghani's they were allied with, said when he was leader, the women could go to school and they didn't have to cover their heads. The Taliban reversed natural progress in that area. To back that up, I had also read that that area of the world USED to be more westernized by a long ways than it is now. We were more similar then than we are now with the evil the Taliban is causing. I know nothing really about the middle east except now they seem to JUST want to fight. Nothing would make me happier than to get along with all people. But they have to have many of the same values of Christians (Us) or we aren't going to get along. It seems impossible at this time. I HOPE the world can get back that way again.
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****, someone accused me and someone else of being the same poster. I think there's 10 or so you that are the same poster using differnt names. Same answer to everything, same viewpoint, same namecalling. Get all your news from the same place. Believe in all the same conspiracies.

I'm joking before y'all blow your anuerisms.


As for the topic, I didn't look at this thread because the topic of a NY law didn't interest me. But one of the post alikes mentioned it.

Yes I am one of those evil democrats that is against abortion. But that is a religeous objection. As a christian I have been taught and believe that God makes life and that life begins at conception. If my wife, sisters, friends, daughter, {if I had one}, wanted to have an abortion I would do everything in my poswer to disuade that decision.

The problem comes in because the law does not reflect my christian beliefs. Roe v Wade was decided when the judge asked the Texas AG if the fetus had state rights. When the AG said no, the case was over. It wasn't that simple but in a way it was. The abortionist could not charged with a crime against a person if it was not legally a person.

And we are a country founded on separation between church and state.

The remedy to outlaw abortions is to declare the fetus a citizen. Then it would be murder. You see no politians advocating that. Especially the GOP.

Someone mentioned not being able to get a stright answer from liberals. Here's a question I've been able to get anti abortionists to answer, what penalty do you propose for the woman that has an abortion? Should she be given the death penalty? Life in prison?

I did get one answer one time from a far, far right winger. He said the mother should be charged with murder and executed if the death penalty is allowed in that state. Life in prison if the death penalty wasn't an option. Also the same for the doctor if there was one involved. That's a guy true to his convictions.

It still goes back to the fetus not being a citizen. Solve that problem and the debate over abortions being legal goes away.

 
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jd&ez - 2019-02-02 12:29 PM ****, someone accused me and someone else of being the same poster. I think there's 10 or so you that are the same poster using differnt names. Same answer to everything, same viewpoint, same namecalling. Get all your news from the same place. Believe in all the same conspiracies.

I'm joking before y'all blow your anuerisms.


As for the topic, I didn't look at this thread because the topic of a NY law didn't interest me. But one of the post alikes mentioned it.

Yes I am one of those evil democrats that is against abortion. But that is a religeous objection. As a christian I have been taught and believe that God makes life and that life begins at conception. If my wife, sisters, friends, daughter, {if I had one}, wanted to have an abortion I would do everything in my poswer to disuade that decision.

The problem comes in because the law does not reflect my christian beliefs. Roe v Wade was decided when the judge asked the Texas AG if the fetus had state rights. When the AG said no, the case was over. It wasn't that simple but in a way it was. The abortionist could not charged with a crime against a person if it was not legally a person.

And we are a country founded on separation between church and state.

The remedy to outlaw abortions is to declare the fetus a citizen. Then it would be murder. You see no politians advocating that. Especially the GOP.

Someone mentioned not being able to get a stright answer from liberals. Here's a question I've been able to get anti abortionists to answer, what penalty do you propose for the woman that has an abortion? Should she be given the death penalty? Life in prison?

I did get one answer one time from a far, far right winger. He said the mother should be charged with murder and executed if the death penalty is allowed in that state. Life in prison if the death penalty wasn't an option. Also the same for the doctor if there was one involved. That's a guy true to his convictions.

It still goes back to the fetus not being a citizen. Solve that problem and the debate over abortions being legal goes away.

 
Okay... first off... Me (Gator Bug), Bear, SouthTX Pony, Chandler's Mom and anyone else you want to put in that 'basket' are NOT the same person. AND I do not name call!  And I don't 'get all my news from the same place'. Darn it, I tape/DVR Morning Joe, Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews. You would have known that, if you read ALL the thread. 

And sorry...just had this same arguement the other night with a very good friend that does not believe in this NY Law but continues to vote Democrat across the board. I keep telling her that she considers herself an 'older, more blue collar Dem'...they do not exist any longer. She does not agree with the abortion or the 'Socialistic' polices that they are now pushing. BUT... she still votes that way. To me, in my opinion, that is something that needs to be solved in the Democratc Party. Don't keep voting that way if you don't agree with what they are 'selling'.

I have seen you are from KY. In TX, we are having a big/huge influx of people moving here from VERY Liberal states. They don't agree with CA or NY Laws and move here. BUT...they continue to vote that way. To me, it makes no sense as to exactly WHY they actually left their home/Liberal state. 

It also not an issue of separation between church and state...this down right murder with these new so-called Law(s). I have no idea how you can kill a pregnant woman (at any trimester) and get two felony murder charges; but you can have an 'abortion' during labor/delivery? Answer that question as when it pertains to when it is a fetus or a human based on State Laws. These 'new' laws go way past Roe V Wade.


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And JD&EZ...

Do you know about anything to do with Dr. Kermit Gosnell???? Did you really read all this thread or just some of it? Gosnell was heinous and is locked up for life for what he did in PA. BUT...under these new 'laws' he could not and would not be prosecuted in any shape or form. Agree with him or the new 'laws' on that?

And the VA Governor is being called on now (finally) to resign by Dems because of a racist photo, but it was ok to pass a new expansive abortion (infantcide) VA Law that he defended and was eager to sign. That abortion new Law was ok, but now the racist photo is not? What is that? And who exactly were 'racist' during the Civil Rights Movement and during the Civil War that we fought over Slavery? Umm..., I do not think that Wallace or Lee were Republican.  It really doesn't pass the smell test for what they are 'selling'.

And... as far as a 'right winger' on abortion and the mother...I guess us 'right wingers' have conceded Roe v. Wade. Kavanaugh said that in his confirmation hearing. It is a double-precedent Law. BUT... that is NOT far enough for the Dems, the Dems have to go to infantcide that almost 90% of the population doesn't agree with. It NEVER is far enough, that's why they are called Progressives. Can we say 'Overton Window'? There really is no reason for partial birth or late term abortion. And, Obama and Hillary agreed with that way back then too as far as partial or late term abortion. They were for all in and for it way back then ... a few years ago or a decade ago. 

And you want an answer on mothers and/or doctors under these new 'laws'...Yes, it is murder and/or infantcide and should be treated accordingly. 

I really did not know how far of a 'right wing nut' I was until I got SHOVED there. 

We can have a civilized debate and I am all for that, let's go.
BUT...do not 'taunt' or act all 'outraged' sporadically with hypocrital opinions/posts.

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jd&ez - 2019-02-02 12:29 PM ****, someone accused me and someone else of being the same poster. I think there's 10 or so you that are the same poster using differnt names. Same answer to everything, same viewpoint, same namecalling. Get all your news from the same place. Believe in all the same conspiracies.

I'm joking before y'all blow your anuerisms.


As for the topic, I didn't look at this thread because the topic of a NY law didn't interest me. But one of the post alikes mentioned it.

Yes I am one of those evil democrats that is against abortion. But that is a religeous objection. As a christian I have been taught and believe that God makes life and that life begins at conception. If my wife, sisters, friends, daughter, {if I had one}, wanted to have an abortion I would do everything in my poswer to disuade that decision.

The problem comes in because the law does not reflect my christian beliefs. Roe v Wade was decided when the judge asked the Texas AG if the fetus had state rights. When the AG said no, the case was over. It wasn't that simple but in a way it was. The abortionist could not charged with a crime against a person if it was not legally a person.

And we are a country founded on separation between church and state.

The remedy to outlaw abortions is to declare the fetus a citizen. Then it would be murder. You see no politians advocating that. Especially the GOP.

Someone mentioned not being able to get a stright answer from liberals. Here's a question I've been able to get anti abortionists to answer, what penalty do you propose for the woman that has an abortion? Should she be given the death penalty? Life in prison?

I did get one answer one time from a far, far right winger. He said the mother should be charged with murder and executed if the death penalty is allowed in that state. Life in prison if the death penalty wasn't an option. Also the same for the doctor if there was one involved. That's a guy true to his convictions.

It still goes back to the fetus not being a citizen. Solve that problem and the debate over abortions being legal goes away.

 
I am not advocating for making abortions illegal but I am whole heatedly advocating for restrictions on late term abortions,   This debate is not about making all abortions illegal but making abortions illegal when the baby is viable.   We have lost our humanity when one thinks killing an 8 or 9 months baby is necessary to save the mother, deliver the baby alive

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rodeomom3 - 2019-02-02 5:40 PM
jd&ez - 2019-02-02 12:29 PM ****, someone accused me and someone else of being the same poster. I think there's 10 or so you that are the same poster using differnt names. Same answer to everything, same viewpoint, same namecalling. Get all your news from the same place. Believe in all the same conspiracies.

I'm joking before y'all blow your anuerisms.


As for the topic, I didn't look at this thread because the topic of a NY law didn't interest me. But one of the post alikes mentioned it.

Yes I am one of those evil democrats that is against abortion. But that is a religeous objection. As a christian I have been taught and believe that God makes life and that life begins at conception. If my wife, sisters, friends, daughter, {if I had one}, wanted to have an abortion I would do everything in my poswer to disuade that decision.

The problem comes in because the law does not reflect my christian beliefs. Roe v Wade was decided when the judge asked the Texas AG if the fetus had state rights. When the AG said no, the case was over. It wasn't that simple but in a way it was. The abortionist could not charged with a crime against a person if it was not legally a person.

And we are a country founded on separation between church and state.

The remedy to outlaw abortions is to declare the fetus a citizen. Then it would be murder. You see no politians advocating that. Especially the GOP.

Someone mentioned not being able to get a stright answer from liberals. Here's a question I've been able to get anti abortionists to answer, what penalty do you propose for the woman that has an abortion? Should she be given the death penalty? Life in prison?

I did get one answer one time from a far, far right winger. He said the mother should be charged with murder and executed if the death penalty is allowed in that state. Life in prison if the death penalty wasn't an option. Also the same for the doctor if there was one involved. That's a guy true to his convictions.

It still goes back to the fetus not being a citizen. Solve that problem and the debate over abortions being legal goes away.

 
I am not advocating for making abortions illegal but I am whole heatedly advocating for restrictions on late term abortions,   This debate is not about making all abortions illegal but making abortions illegal when the baby is viable.   We have lost our humanity when one thinks killing an 8 or 9 months baby is necessary to save the mother, deliver the baby alive


Yeh.... Gotcha.  Just read my two posts back to JD&EZ...that they haven't said anything to.

We are not wanting to make abortion illegal. They just keep pushing, 'moving the goal posts' and going with late term/partial birth or abortion on demand...whatever they want to call it.  

Roe V Wade said that it was legal and we have over and over conceded that. It is a double precedent in Supreme Court Law. Kavanaugh said that multiple times in his Confirmation Hearings, BUT it really doesn't matter.

That... in a nut shell is truly the meaning of Progressive...the 'pushing' to the Left never stops.


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