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     Location: Somewhere between S@% stirrer and Saint | Palopony - 2020-04-07 8:38 AM
You can be mad about the source all you want, a tweet by the Secretary of State says it's true. I sort of think FOX news is a crummy source myself didn't they like the President say .... it was going to go away by April?
Since you're a Doctor I would like to know how you feel about him pushing the drug he keeps insisting is working? I know you have from the start also. However I tend to side with Dr Fauci not sure of it's effectiveness myself, time will tell. I do think it's causing a drug shortage for people who really need it. I just can't believe a President keeps insisting it's working, and telling people to take it. I was really shocked at a press conference when he wouldn't let Dr Fauci answer a question about it. When reporters want to ask experts you can tell he hates it, he wants center stage.
I personally thought the Queen's 5 minute discussion on the virus was much better than the sometimes 2 hour rude press conferences we get everyday.
I think the best I have seen on Facebook is..... Elect a reality star for President.........Welcome to Survivor.
Fauci is a good doctor but he doesn't want to make comments about a drug until it is throughly studied in a controled studied in a lab for the Coronavirus. However, that will take a lot of time that some people don't have. As for the President, I see his side also. The drug Hydroxchloroquine cocktail has shown to pretty effective with a high percentage of recovery and quicker recovery so "What do you have to loose." He says which makes sense. Taking the Cocktail is not going to hurt you if taken as prescribed by a doctor. However it does have a long half life of 32-56 days so it stays in the system a long time and could build up quite quickly. Like any medication it can have side effects for a person but those are chances people have to take if they think they are going to die. The President is a very optamistic person. he looks for good all the time, he exaggerates it also but that is his personality. | |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2020-04-07 9:41 AM
Palopony - 2020-04-07 8:38 AM
You can be mad about the source all you want, a tweet by the Secretary of State says it's true. I sort of think FOX news is a crummy source myself didn't they like the President say .... it was going to go away by April?
Since you're a Doctor I would like to know how you feel about him pushing the drug he keeps insisting is working? I know you have from the start also. However I tend to side with Dr Fauci not sure of it's effectiveness myself, time will tell. I do think it's causing a drug shortage for people who really need it. I just can't believe a President keeps insisting it's working, and telling people to take it. I was really shocked at a press conference when he wouldn't let Dr Fauci answer a question about it. When reporters want to ask experts you can tell he hates it, he wants center stage.
I personally thought the Queen's 5 minute discussion on the virus was much better than the sometimes 2 hour rude press conferences we get everyday.
I think the best I have seen on Facebook is..... Elect a reality star for President.........Welcome to Survivor.
First of all, please show us where I'm "pushing" Hydroxychloroquine. You won't, because you can't. Trump isn't "pushing" it either. His position is that he is impressed by the reporting of the experiences using the drug by a number of respected doctors and infectious disease specialists and he wants the drug to be available for use, if patients wish to try it. Please don't twist my words. Your mendacious comments just keep pouring in, and I'm embarrassed for you. The studies being done are not real good because they are not controlled, they are retrospective, and open labeled. That does not mean they are useless. In fact they are extremely useful because those experiences with the use of the drug are excellent, hence the demand for good studies to validate these early impressions. The drug's safety profile has been well established, after some 65 years experience. Yes, like every single drug on the planet, there are definitely some risks, but the significant risks are extremely rare, so encouraging patients to seek the advice of their physician seems sensible. The fact that good, prospective randomized trials are now emerging tells me that the effort and tremendous expense is felt to be justified. It's justified because these early experiences by respected, highly qualified doctors are hard to ignore.
Dr Fauci is a purist who believes therapeutics ought to be subject to vigorous trials before coming out to give a full-throated endorsement of their safety and efficacy. That's a good thing. He has said that he is not opposed to using the drug so long as he can use it in the context of a study....so good data can be well documented. I'm quite certain that he has taken the time to educate the president on the early reports of success and the necessity to subject this drug to careful analysis, along with the other promising therapeutics currently under consideration. Fauci is a vital member of the task force for this reason, among others. He is cautious in displaying his optimism or even coming out to say the drug is proven to be very useful, because even though the experiences thus far appear good, he wants those to be validated. President Trump is simply encouraging people to consult with their doctor and consider giving it a try under certain circumstances. He said he thinks it could be a "game changer" and is hopeful that it is. That's not false hope, particularly when this is the most commonly used therapeutic for Covid19 around the world. Out of several thousand docs surveyed world wide, the most commonly preferred drug for Covid19 is Hydroxychloroquine. Look it up. Those doctors aren't prescribing the drug because of Donald Trump. They are prescribed because they think it is useful and saving lives. Going forward, these controlled studies will either reinforce or refute these claims. And just so you know, there are some drugs and vaccines out there in use today that haven't actually been proven to be efficacious though prospective study, even though that's the gold standard.
Let me ask you something, palopony. If you haven't had a tetanus booster in over 10 years and step on a rusty nail in your pasture, puncturing your foot, would you get a tetanus shot? Please answer this.
Thank you Scott you always say how it is, and this is the way I have heard it too, Hes asking not telling people, but asking them to ask their Doctor about this drug since hes been getting good reports about this drug if you'ur needing meds because of the coronavirus. I dont see this as pushing it on anybody either. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's the truly sad part about this idea being pushed by the left. At this point, it's clear to me they have decided to use this Hydroxychloroquine debate as a battlefield. In my opinion, most of them are hoping that hydroxychloroquine is shown to not be worthwhile. Their political agenda is more important than success vs this enemy, Covid19. That basically translates into death. If you read the MSM's stance on HC, it's obvious they want Trump's optimism about the drug to end up being baseless. That translates into their hoping it does not save the lives many docs in the battlefield are claiming.....in other words they are hoping for death and despair. It is consistent with many of them gleefully claiming that a recession was in the works last year and in 2018. It's consistent with one of their favorite comedians, Bill Maher, getting thunderous applause and cheers from his audience when he openly proclaimed that he hopes we would go into a recession....if that's what it takes to defeat Trump. They say they are humanists who deeply care for the plight and suffering of people, but I don't necessarily think so. Many are so profoundly consumed with Trump-hate, that they want Covid19 to kill and create a depression. That's what matters to many of them. | |
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    Location: My happy place | To answer your question right now I believe I would take my chances with lock jaw, instead of going to a medical center. Now if my Dr could get me in maybe. I sure hope living like the book "The Secret" is working for everyone. I personally thought it was an unrealistic way to believe myself and set young people up with a lot of debt. Believing if they lived the dream it would appear, I personally think it takes a lot of hard work and dedication. I truly hope the drug works and do not think at all like you say I do. You just make stuff up. I do hope that people who rely on this drug for the purpose intended have it available, instead of Doctors hoarding it just in case. I do believe they are throwing everything available at this to find what works, which is a good thing. I could point out right wing nut cases that say all kinds of crazy things but I will just stick with current events and see what happens. I keep saying follow the money but you all just want to attack me. Have a great day and stay safe.
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Palopony - 2020-04-07 11:17 AM
To answer your question right now I believe I would take my chances with lock jaw, instead of going to a medical center. Now if my Dr could get me in maybe.
I sure hope living like the book "The Secret" is working for everyone. I personally thought it was an unrealistic way to believe myself and set young people up with a lot of debt. Believing if they lived the dearm it would appear, I personally think it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.
I truly hope the drug works and do not think at all like you say I do. You just make stuff up. I do hope that people who rely on this drug for the purpose intended have it available, instead of Doctors hoarding it just in case. I do believe they are throwing everything available at this to find what works, which is a good thing. I could point out right wing nut cases that say all kinds of crazy things but I will just stick with current events and see what happens. I keep saying follow the money but you all just want to attack me. Have a great day and stay safe.
Palopony, you said you wouldn't get a booster, unless you could get in to see your doctor. OK, so you would have a tetanus booster if you could get into your office....right? Show me where I "just made stuff up". Conjecture isn't "making things up", it's guessing. Everyone guesses all the time about many things. Quit acting persecuted. Nobody feels sorry for you. Countering your ridiculous remarks isn't "attacking" you. | |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Palopony - 2020-04-07 11:17 AM
To answer your question right now I believe I would take my chances with lock jaw, instead of going to a medical center. Now if my Dr could get me in maybe.
I sure hope living like the book "The Secret" is working for everyone. I personally thought it was an unrealistic way to believe myself and set young people up with a lot of debt. Believing if they lived the dearm it would appear, I personally think it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.
I truly hope the drug works and do not think at all like you say I do. You just make stuff up. I do hope that people who rely on this drug for the purpose intended have it available, instead of Doctors hoarding it just in case. I do believe they are throwing everything available at this to find what works, which is a good thing. I could point out right wing nut cases that say all kinds of crazy things but I will just stick with current events and see what happens. I keep saying follow the money but you all just want to attack me. Have a great day and stay safe.
Ohhh heck I would never take a chance like you are saying, have you ever seen what happens to horses that get tetanus, I have and its not pretty. I ran some baling wire threw my hand about ten years ago and have not had a booster in I didnt know how long, so went to HEB here in town and got a Tetanus booster, I would never ever take a chance on not getting a Booster.. Now that this has been brought up about Tetanus I think it might be time for another one. Scott how often should we be getting these Tetanus shots? | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2020-04-07 12:45 PM
Palopony - 2020-04-07 11:17 AM
To answer your question right now I believe I would take my chances with lock jaw, instead of going to a medical center. Now if my Dr could get me in maybe.
I sure hope living like the book "The Secret" is working for everyone. I personally thought it was an unrealistic way to believe myself and set young people up with a lot of debt. Believing if they lived the dearm it would appear, I personally think it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.
I truly hope the drug works and do not think at all like you say I do. You just make stuff up. I do hope that people who rely on this drug for the purpose intended have it available, instead of Doctors hoarding it just in case. I do believe they are throwing everything available at this to find what works, which is a good thing. I could point out right wing nut cases that say all kinds of crazy things but I will just stick with current events and see what happens. I keep saying follow the money but you all just want to attack me. Have a great day and stay safe.
Ohhh heck I would never take a chance like you are saying, have you ever seen what happens to horses that get tetanus, I have and its not pretty. I ran some baling wire threw my hand about ten years ago and have not had a booster in I didnt know how long, so went to HEB here in town and got a Tetanus booster, I would never ever take a chance on not getting a Booster.. Now that this has been brought up about Tetanus I think it might be time for another one.
Scott how often should we be getting these Tetanus shots?
Every 10 years. If you get a real bad penetrating, or dirty injury, you should get a booster if it's been 5 years. | |
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 Hog Tie My Mojo
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       Location: Opelousas, LA | Speaking of vaccines, how many of you will get the vaccine for this virus as soon as it is available? How many will hang back and wait to see if there are any issues with it as it becomes widely used? Do you even think we will have one soon? I know that there is still no SARS vaccine so what are the odds we get an effective vaccine for the Wuhan Virus? | |
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  Keeper of the King Snake
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    Location: Dubach, LA | I guess I have it. I'll call tomorrow and see if my doc wants to call in something for me. Nobody wanted to see or test the other two presumptive cases in my family. Wish me luck. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | CanCan - 2020-04-07 5:21 PM
I guess I have it. I'll call tomorrow and see if my doc wants to call in something for me. Nobody wanted to see or test the other two presumptive cases in my family. Wish me luck.
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Barnmom - 2020-04-07 5:01 PM
Speaking of vaccines, how many of you will get the vaccine for this virus as soon as it is available? How many will hang back and wait to see if there are any issues with it as it becomes widely used?
Do you even think we will have one soon? I know that there is still no SARS vaccine so what are the odds we get an effective vaccine for the Wuhan Virus?
Good question. There's absolutely no guarantee that an effective vaccine will be developed. In the case of SARS, I would guess that they just stopped developing them after the SARS epidemic just abruptly stopped in the summer of 2003. Just my guess. It's a very expensive project. I have a feeling this will be different because this beast is nothing like SARS. The effort will be focused on like a laser beam. I know I'll get the vaccine if one is developed and offered because of my risk. | |
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      Location: Tulsa, Ok | CanCan - 2020-04-07 5:21 PM
I guess I have it. I'll call tomorrow and see if my doc wants to call in something for me. Nobody wanted to see or test the other two presumptive cases in my family. Wish me luck.
Yes those readily available test seem not to be all that easy to get. My nephew is on day eighteen of symptoms and cannot access a test. He says he knows at least 20 ill and none have been tested. He is in Detroit. | |
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Miracle in the Making
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| different question these homemade mask socks clothes kerchiefs cloth are they really any good i see people here bythemself riding golfcart no one with 100 feet i saw guys coming to marina from ocean by them elves with a mask on bikers. i think they nuts they are in the fresh air the breeze is blowing off ocean am i nuts or... are the really any good fyi i am not wearing 1 and i am riding my bike 10 to 16 miles aday by myself but i pass a lot of peopl | |
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      Location: Arkansas | CanCan - 2020-04-07 5:21 PM
I guess I have it. I'll call tomorrow and see if my doc wants to call in something for me. Nobody wanted to see or test the other two presumptive cases in my family. Wish me luck.
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 BHW's Lance Armstrong 
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     Location: Somewhere between S@% stirrer and Saint | Barnmom - 2020-04-07 5:01 PM
Speaking of vaccines, how many of you will get the vaccine for this virus as soon as it is available? How many will hang back and wait to see if there are any issues with it as it becomes widely used?
Do you even think we will have one soon? I know that there is still no SARS vaccine so what are the odds we get an effective vaccine for the Wuhan Virus?
I am very sceptical of Bill Gates being involved in medicine to help people. One minute he is supporting abortion and he believes the world is over populated. But then the next minute he is working on a drug to save lives. Something smells fishy to me!!! I hear about tetenus shots in Africa that cause sterility in young girls that Gates has been involved with. I don't know if it is true. Also I hear Bill Gates Dad was originally involed in Planned Parenthood, don't know if that is true either. | |
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Ms. Dr. Phil
    Location: My happy place | Bumping this up for Flying JT, for some of my views. I do agree with many conversative views on things. However I want someone who can have a conversation with world leaders. I want someone who surrounds himself with people who tell him the truth, not censored to keep him from going off. It would be nice if many of his "really good people" weren't in jail. Do you think we are doing A+ on COVID 19? Do you think he should be holding rallies when mayors ask him not to come? I don't have the answers but I would have sure like to be told the truth. Do we still believe Dr Fanci? I do believe he changed his opinion on masks because we didn't have enough for healthcare workers at the time. Where are Dr Fanci & Dr Brix? Seriously it's a pretty day and I need to mess with ponies. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Palopony - 2020-10-01 11:45 AM
Bumping this up for Flying JT, for some of my views. I do agree with many conversative views on things. However I want someone who can have a conversation with world leaders. I want someone who surrounds himself with people who tell him the truth, not censored to keep him from going off. It would be nice if many of his "really good people" weren't in jail.
Do you think we are doing A+ on COVID 19?
Do you think he should be holding rallies when mayors ask him not to come?
I don't have the answers but I would have sure like to be told the truth.
Do we still believe Dr Fanci?
I do believe he changed his opinion on masks because we didn't have enough for healthcare workers at the time.
Where are Dr Fanci & Dr Brix?
Seriously it's a pretty day and I need to mess with ponies.
Let me try and answer these questions openly and honestly. Anytime you lose over 200,000 people to a viral pandemic you can't say we are doing well. Some random facts are worth noting: - over 80% of deaths are in people 65 and over. The vast majority of these have comorbidities that we are all well aware of. - About 3% of all Covid19 deaths are under 45, and again, most of these have comorbidities....obesity, hypertension, lung disease, cancer, immunosuppressed, etc. - For young children, influenza is more life-threatening. - Reported Covid19 "cases" is misleading. 80% of these people have minimal or no symptoms. These "cases" are all people who test positive. - We have over 7 million "cases". We don't have 7 million people who have been ill. Only a fraction of these people were actually sick. - the CDC estimates that for every person with a positive COVID-19 test, there are 10-20 out there with the virus who don't know they have it, haven't been sick, and haven't been tested. That translates into 70-140 million people who either have or have had the virus. That puts the case fatality rate between 0.15 - 0.3%. In other words, if you get Covid19, your chances of dying are less than 3:1000.
Literally everyone has been wrong on Covid19, in one way or another, including the widely acclaimed "experts". Contrary to Woodward's claims, I think Trump took Covid19 seriously. President Trump's prediction that it would be gone by Easter was wrong. Trump shut down travel from China except for US citizens at a time when Democrats and their media cohorts were making numerous false assertions, encouraging people to get out on the town, etc... Liberal media outlets were claiming the real threat was influenza. They called Trump a "hysterical xenophobic" when he shut down travel....against the objections of many of his advisors. When he issued this executive order we had something like 7 Covid cases in Washington. Nobody died from it until several weeks after his travel ban. His shutting down travel from Europe and the U.K. was criticized. He did a good thing when he invoked the DPA to produce PPE, masks, tests, and ventilators. He was praised by Democrat governors and mayors for his prompt response to requests for assistance. Over 40% of Covid19 deaths were in nursing home residents. The tragic experience in NY where nursing home patients with Covid19 were forced back into the nursing homes is just a small example of the many errors that were made. These were not Trump's fault. Trump called for the virtual shutting down of the country for 6 weeks. As much as I hate to say it, I do think that had we not shut down for a period, there's a good chance that our healthcare system would have been overwhelmed....and THAT could have created a panic with unimaginable consequences. Obviously, the shutdowns did nothing to prevent the eventual spreading of the virus everywhere. Ultimately, most people will have had the virus, if we haven't hit that point already. If "Operation Warp Speed" creates a vaccine that is safe and effective by the end of the year, it will be a monumental accomplishment, the likes of which we have never even remotely come close to achieving. "Operation Warp Speed" was Trump's idea. The key to success with Covid19 is still protecting the most vulnerable, high risk. Even though I wear a mask and I think they might help in some respects, ultimately most people will be positive for Covid19 at some stage. Overall, I think Trump did a good job in his response. Biden didn't admit that the travel ban was the right call until nearly 2 months later. As far as Dr Fauci and Birx, as far as I know they are still a part of the president's team. | |
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| Palopony - 2020-10-01 11:45 AM Bumping this up for Flying JT, for some of my views. I do agree with many conversative views on things. However I want someone who can have a conversation with world leaders. I want someone who surrounds himself with people who tell him the truth, not censored to keep him from going off. It would be nice if many of his "really good people" weren't in jail. Do you think we are doing A+ on COVID 19? Do you think he should be holding rallies when mayors ask him not to come? I don't have the answers but I would have sure like to be told the truth. Do we still believe Dr Fanci? I do believe he changed his opinion on masks because we didn't have enough for healthcare workers at the time. Where are Dr Fanci & Dr Brix? Seriously it's a pretty day and I need to mess with ponies. I can't pretend to know much of Covid 19. I live a simple life and I really haven't been affected by it, which means I pay less attention to it. Maybe not right, but it's the truth. This has become highly politicized when it shouldn't have been. This has proven that the United States is so unprepared for pandemics and I really don't believe it would have mattered which party was in office. For me, this reiterates that we really don't need more government control. The fact that people wait to be told to wash their hands, don't get in peoples personal spaces, don't gather in large groups, etc. during a pandemic, makes me very worried for our future.
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  Keeper of the King Snake
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    Location: Dubach, LA | Chandler's Mom - 2020-04-07 8:39 PM
CanCan - 2020-04-07 5:21 PM
I guess I have it. I'll call tomorrow and see if my doc wants to call in something for me. Nobody wanted to see or test the other two presumptive cases in my family. Wish me luck.
How are your family members doing? Please take care of yourself and keep us updated
Five of us got sick with the first working in direct contact with positive patients. All five of us had different symptoms. The two year old was the sickest. | |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bumping this up for Palopony.. | |
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