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Location: sunny california | rodeoveteran - 2013-08-25 9:07 AM kwanatha - 2013-08-25 11:03 AM I would basically avoid anything that is claimed to help in the uptake of glucose. I would like to see some research on this. My thought was that if the sugar is more efficiently metabolized then it would be used rather than stored in the muscle. But your advice is respectfully noted.
I am making a distinction of uptake of glucose, storage of glucose and metabolism of glucose. |
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| kwanatha - 2013-08-25 11:24 AM
rodeoveteran - 2013-08-25 9:07 AM kwanatha - 2013-08-25 11:03 AM I would basically avoid anything that is claimed to help in the uptake of glucose. I would like to see some research on this. My thought was that if the sugar is more efficiently metabolized then it would be used rather than stored in the muscle. But your advice is respectfully noted.
Well now you are making have to go and do some of my own research!  I was hoping for the short answer. As in, I am not exactly sure WHAT Cinnamon DOES do. |
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Location: sunny california | rodeoveteran - 2013-08-25 9:28 AM kwanatha - 2013-08-25 11:24 AM rodeoveteran - 2013-08-25 9:07 AM kwanatha - 2013-08-25 11:03 AM I would basically avoid anything that is claimed to help in the uptake of glucose. I would like to see some research on this. My thought was that if the sugar is more efficiently metabolized then it would be used rather than stored in the muscle. But your advice is respectfully noted. Well now you are making have to go and do some of my own research! I was hoping for the short answer. As in, I am not exactly sure WHAT Cinnamon DOES do.
I don't either that is why I am proding you... I just don't want to read too much right now... was hoping for the short answer from you |
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Location: MD | I'm excited this thread came back up!
I've got an appy with some lameness issues. Thought it was his SIS and have been trying to fix the issue.
Have a sneaking suspision of PSSM. Have changed his diet and exersize . Iam excited to say that for 2 weeks he's pasture sound, also is wotking well. Not such a buttface or a bully he's turning into quite the baby!im trying to learn the best I can about the disease but this is a hair confusing! |
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| I was pretty sure that my horse would test positive. I had a muscle biopsy done at the U Of Minnesota by Dr. Valberg. It came back negative. She diagnosed him w/RER- Recurrent Exercised induced Rhabdmylo.... The symptoms of the 2 syndromes are so similar, it really makes a person wonder, where does one syndrome end, and the next one begin? Also, at the end of my report it states that a gene has not yet been found to link this as a genetic disease even though they know this syndrome has been around for a long time. I was told Standardbreds have been know for a long time to possess these traits, but because these types of horses clock so well, trainers want these horses. I was also told of a drug that works pretty well to keep the symptoms under control but it is expensive, and not legal if competing in a sport where drug testing is done. Hhhhmmmm....... |
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| kwanatha - 2013-08-25 11:32 AM
rodeoveteran - 2013-08-25 9:28 AM kwanatha - 2013-08-25 11:24 AM rodeoveteran - 2013-08-25 9:07 AM kwanatha - 2013-08-25 11:03 AM I would basically avoid anything that is claimed to help in the uptake of glucose. I would like to see some research on this. My thought was that if the sugar is more efficiently metabolized then it would be used rather than stored in the muscle. But your advice is respectfully noted. Well now you are making have to go and do some of my own research! I was hoping for the short answer. As in, I am not exactly sure WHAT Cinnamon DOES do.
I tried to do a search on this and when I put in Cinnamon and sugar metabolism, I got............................
..............a link to this thread! |
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Location: Iowa, LA | bingo - 2013-08-25 3:08 PM I was pretty sure that my horse would test positive. I had a muscle biopsy done at the U Of Minnesota by Dr. Valberg. It came back negative. She diagnosed him w/RER- Recurrent Exercised induced Rhabdmylo.... The symptoms of the 2 syndromes are so similar, it really makes a person wonder, where does one syndrome end, and the next one begin? Also, at the end of my report it states that a gene has not yet been found to link this as a genetic disease even though they know this syndrome has been around for a long time. I was told Standardbreds have been know for a long time to possess these traits, but because these types of horses clock so well, trainers want these horses. I was also told of a drug that works pretty well to keep the symptoms under control but it is expensive, and not legal if competing in a sport where drug testing is done. Hhhhmmmm.......
Bingo-
Please share what is recommended for RER! I'm thinking PSSM, RER, and Seasonal Pasture Myopathy all need low carb/sugar diets. But any additional info is greatly appreciated. I'm glad that you got an answer and the more we learn and test, the more info the researchers will have to help distinguish these muscle disorders! Thanks for your input! |
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Location: Iowa, LA | For those of you that have tried the diet change on your suspect or diagnosed horses, I would love to share your stories and experiences on my webpage in order to give examples of how these muscle disorders affect our horses. If you'd be willing to allow me to share your experiences anonymously, please PM me! |
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Location: southeast Texas | where did your blog go?
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Location: Iowa, LA | roxieannie - 2013-08-31 11:02 AM where did your blog go?
Are you talking to me? My webpage??
http://www.twobadgerranch.com/pssm.html |
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| My gelding that is not running up to par was tested at the vets thurs. That could not find a lamness that was enough issue to make him not run like he should. The only thing they could find that they when we went to do accupuncture that they him ulcer spots that he had a big reaction he drug us. The lamness exan they trotted him lunged him, trotted him lunged him. This vet barn is in the middle of english hunter people. The vet couldnot get over how good mover he was and being his is almost 16.1 they loved him. He is a big mover i had some one ride him and fram him up and he amased me on howmhe moved. He could do the hunter thing and if i where to,get him feeling better dressage would be no problem. The problem is he is not right. I,did take home some gasteoguard. She told me to,give him5 days off. I she does not,find anything. I will take him to dr. Meeker or find the closest vet that does the lamness locator, or turn him into a hunter. I have a weanie i just want a couple more years, and he is a very athletic horse for as big as he is he can work like a little horse. |
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i will save the link. it wouldnt open for me yesterday, the link towards the beginning of thread. thanks! |
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Location: southeast Texas | daisycake123 - 2013-08-31 10:31 PM My gelding that is not running up to par was tested at the vets thurs. That could not find a lamness that was enough issue to make him not run like he should. The only thing they could find that they when we went to do accupuncture that they him ulcer spots that he had a big reaction he drug us. The lamness exan they trotted him lunged him, trotted him lunged him. This vet barn is in the middle of english hunter people. The vet couldnot get over how good mover he was and being his is almost 16.1 they loved him. He is a big mover i had some one ride him and fram him up and he amased me on howmhe moved. He could do the hunter thing and if i where to,get him feeling better dressage would be no problem. The problem is he is not right. I,did take home some gasteoguard. She told me to,give him5 days off. I she does not,find anything. I will take him to dr. Meeker or find the closest vet that does the lamness locator, or turn him into a hunter. I have a weanie i just want a couple more years, and he is a very athletic horse for as big as he is he can work like a little horse.
it is a fustrating thing, for sure.
FYI, did you read where annemarea, treated for ulcers....
just something to keep in the back of your mind. hope everything turns out well |
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| He is being treated for ulcers, right now. This week,i,will know if it is pssm as the vet did the test thurs. |
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Location: West Tennessee | Bumping for a friend / cause I don't know how to copy & link it -- it's that technologically challenged thing. |
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| I tested him when i he was at the vets they sen it off and it came back negative for pssm. I am treating for ulcers and he seems to be some better i have a show sat. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | daisycake123 - 2013-09-12 5:41 AM I tested him when i he was at the vets they sen it off and it came back negative for pssm. I am treating for ulcers and he seems to be some better i have a show sat.
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Location: Iowa, LA | From the University of Minnesota :
Horses with PSSM will usually display three or more of these symptoms:
Difficulty holding up feet for farrier
Biting at girth when being saddled
Swishing and wringing tail or pinning ears when cantering under saddle
Wanting to roll immediately after saddle is removed
Frequently rubbing haunches and shoulders on stall walls, post, trees, etc.
Hitch in trot that seems like they want to break into canter (similar to locking patella syndrome) Stiffness or difficulty bending in one or both directions
Sore muscles behind the saddle area after working
Sensitivity to grooming
Staying camped out for an unusually long time after urinating
Regularly holding tail stiffly to one side
Traveling heavy on the forehand and/or tripping or dragging toes when ridden
Holding their head low to the ground for unusually long periods of time when lunging
Striking out with foreleg when being lunged or ridden
Lack of impulsion
Dislike/fear of being crosstied
Losing weight when being stalled, even though well fed
Difficulty picking up or maintaining a canter lead
Suddenly shying or spooking at “invisible objects” or objects they’ve been around before Bucking or rearing under saddle for no apparent reason
Taking off at a gallop for a few strides when ridden, for no apparent reason
Showing distress in breathing that seems unrelated to allergies or heaves
Exaggerated hock or stifle action (sometimes extreme like stringhalt)
Tying up (from mild to severe episodes)
Showing symptoms similar to colic (lying down, looking at stomach)
Rope walking
Bucking after jumps
Needing to be lunged before being ridden, especially after a few days off
Difficulty developing a top line
Stall walking
Difficulty collecting and bending properly
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| I'm finding this topic VERY interesting!! On the list of 29 symptoms, I highlighted about 13 of them on my mare!! A lot of you had talked about a mystery lameness, can you please describe in a little more detail what your horse was doing? My mare has not tied up, but shows alot of the symptoms, and not after riding, like we would always relate this stuff too. ??? I am going to send off a hair analysis for starters.
Edited by GonnaBe 2013-09-20 3:12 PM
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