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FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 11:19 AM
I said a 5D horse, not a 2d horse, vs a 1d horse. Big difference. And they may be just as fit so that CAN be taken out of the equation.
Au contraire, hardly a big difference. We are discussing seconds, one sixitieth of a minute.
You're a bully
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 10:26 AM I made up a song for this thread
Ready
This is the thread that doesn't end
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started commenting not knowing what it was
and they'll continue commenting forever just because
this is the thread that doesn't end....
Wow! You should be a song writer......very, very nice......I almost started dancing........I didn't want it to end  |
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Location: PA | ozcancrasher13 - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 3:09 PM Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
With that logic....1D horses should cost/be worth the same as 5D horses.
This was exactly what I was thinking!!!!!!!!!! All horses should cost the same then! |
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Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2013-11-26 10:36 AM barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 10:26 AM I made up a song for this thread
Ready
This is the thread that doesn't end
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started commenting not knowing what it was
and they'll continue commenting forever just because
this is the thread that doesn't end.... Wow! You should be a song writer......very, very nice......I almost started dancing........I didn't want it to end
I'm pretty sure I violated some copyrights
ETA maybe it was an angry lamb chop fan disliking my song
or perhaps Shari Lewis from beyond the grave
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 10:38 AM LRQHS - 2013-11-26 10:36 AM barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 10:26 AM I made up a song for this thread
Ready
This is the thread that doesn't end
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started commenting not knowing what it was
and they'll continue commenting forever just because
this is the thread that doesn't end.... Wow! You should be a song writer......very, very nice......I almost started dancing........I didn't want it to end
I'm pretty sure I violated some copyrights
Well, don't quit your day job just yet, but I think that you have something to fall back on should you ever need.... |
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Location: GA | DD2012 - 2013-11-26 11:34 AM
*robin* - 2013-11-26 10:31 AM
FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 11:19 AM
I said a 5D horse, not a 2d horse, vs a 1d horse. Big difference. And they may be just as fit so that CAN be taken out of the equation.
Au contraire, hardly a big difference. We are discussing seconds, one sixitieth of a minute.
You're a bully
You are correct.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 9:57 AM
It doesn't matter to me anyway. Just wait till my camel returns from the trainer. I'm going to enter him in futurities next year and he's going to kick everyone's ass, regardless of the payout scheme. Abdu is already smoking the pattern with those long legs. He's smooth as silk.
Abdu needs some dental work, so I have a Camel dentist scheduled to work on his teeth. His feet are pretty good. I might just have my farrier work on them. If he can't do it, then I will. Can't be harder than my own crusty gnarly feet.
Abdu's bell boots are covering his feet, but you can get the general idea.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 11:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 9:57 AM
It doesn't matter to me anyway. Just wait till my camel returns from the trainer. I'm going to enter him in futurities next year and he's going to kick everyone's ass, regardless of the payout scheme. Abdu is already smoking the pattern with those long legs. He's smooth as silk.
Abdu's bell boots are covering his feet, but you can get the general idea.
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Location: Midwest | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 11:13 AM As you might imagine, Abdu works well in deep ground.
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| *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM
FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM
No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!!
You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness.
That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race.
I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood.
I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit |
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Location: ND | CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness. That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race. I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood. I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
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| CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM
*robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM
FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM
No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!!
You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness.
That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race.
I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood.
I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
Also - I've had some 1D/2D horses with LOTS of talent and it's very easy for them to clock, but I've also had some 4D horses that have SO much try and they are working extremely hard.
ETA: I am not debating the equal payout system here. I am happy with the 4D system as is. I just don't think it's fair to say a 1D horse works harder and has more wear and tear than a 4D horse.. Different horses have differing levels or athletic ability, and just because one horse can't clock as fast, doesn't mean it isn't working as hard.
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| I have refrained for commenting on this tread 'til now. And admit to not reading the entire thing as it is rehashing old arguments.
When they start calling them barrel exhibitions instead of races, when they are judged on style and form, THEN a lower D horse will have equal value to a top competitor on the open market and deserve equal reward. Oh, but wait, then it will come down to a judge's opinion and politics to determine value and reward, both of which I am happy to get away from. Otherwise I would be in to showing instead of racing.
But then, this is JMHO.
Peace. Out.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 11:15 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 11:13 AM As you might imagine, Abdu works well in deep ground. he looks like he can really stride out
Yes, he has massive strides. The lead swaps are real hard to get used to, because camels front and back legs work in parallel. You would think they shouldn't have to switch leads, but they do, and when that happens it feels like you just ran over a log. |
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Location: GA | dhdqhllc - 2013-11-26 12:19 PM
CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness. That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race. I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood. I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
Generally speaking to some degree they are correct...but but the use of "Period!" and "That's insane" moved it from generalities to truth and or fact which then opened the door for my bullying debate tactics.
See I am like the energizer bunny today. I could go on and on, well at least one more hour then I am off to bully someone outside cyber space.  |
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Location: GA | CocoChex - 2013-11-26 12:16 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM
FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM
No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!!
You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness.
That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race.
I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood.
I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
I have had several like that. 
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| *robin* - 2013-11-26 11:32 AM
dhdqhllc - 2013-11-26 12:19 PM
CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness. That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race. I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood. I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
Generally speaking to some degree they are correct...but but the use of "Period!" and "That's insane" moved it from generalities to truth and or fact which then opened the door for my bullying debate tactics.
See I am like the energizer bunny today. I could go on and on, well at least one more hour then I am off to bully someone outside cyber space.
You have not debated anyone. YOu have just told them they are wrong
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Location: GA | DD2012 - 2013-11-26 12:39 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-26 11:32 AM
dhdqhllc - 2013-11-26 12:19 PM
CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness. That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race. I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood. I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
Generally speaking to some degree they are correct...but but the use of "Period!" and "That's insane" moved it from generalities to truth and or fact which then opened the door for my bullying debate tactics.
See I am like the energizer bunny today. I could go on and on, well at least one more hour then I am off to bully someone outside cyber space.
You have not debated anyone. YOu have just told them they are wrong
I will give you that I have not debated anyone...
I have not told them they were wrong either.
Specifics, specifics my good person. After all it is you... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Abdu's saddle is made by Bin Obama Saddlery out of Dubai. This one is a pretty basic model, but you can get a lot of bling on it. It takes some getting used to, and you want to be sure you don't get behind when he's coming out of those turns. If you wind up too behind, your ass will land on that post and you wind up with an uninvited procto exam. Not cool.
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