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WrapSnap - 2013-12-11 5:00 PM Shada- This team just needs to get that third barrel figured out. This was definitely a better third barrel than Round 5, but it still cost them a bunch. If the draw reins didn't come out in practice, they still should. If they have, I would sure love to see Shada kick in the afterburners and make that sucker RUN to the third. He may not turn it pretty, but right now, he's hanging up something bad. On another note, I wish the cameras had panned away from Trevor last night.
I know that all the contestants are under pressure, but Shada has got to really be under some heavy pressure.  No matter how supportive and non-judgemental Trevor is, to have a spouse that successful has to be hard to try to live up to.  Very different also from being a competitor to a spectator/supporter of a competitor.

I think it has to be so hard living up to being the spouse of someone like Trevor.  Pretty big boots to fill.  
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The one thing I noticed was Brittany leaning at third.  The announcers tried to blame it on the horse.  The horse did what Brittany's body was telling it to do. Hopefully she'll get that fixed.  I've never noticed her doing that so prominently before.

I just don't like the way Fallon has Flo turning.  You could put a horse inbetween Flo and 2nd barrel.  Maybe it's the horse, maybe it's a technique to keep her from knocking...IDK, but I feel like her times would be better if she'd tighten up a little bit.  Her 3rd barrel is improving, but I think it's Fallon's head that likes the blinkers, not the horse.  She seems to be riding harder and straighter for third. 
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hammer_time - 2013-12-12 3:15 AM  Anyone else notice Sydni not really hustling?
Maybe it's not what the horse needs but it sure stood out to me.
I'd read an article (and someone posted it on one of these threads) that she had broken her tailbone this year and had really bad nerve damage that was incredibly painful. I wonder if that's still bothering her. I'd love to see her get in the money before the week's over.

I was so rooting for Sherry to get in last night - she's made money in every round! Can someone clarify- I saw this on FB maybe, does she get a Ram truck if she does it in all 10 rounds?  

And of course- props to Taylor & Bo! 
 It's the most money won at the NFR that gets the Ram truck.....I think....
I think you're right- is that the Top Gun award? I just saw WPRA posted on FB that Taylor took the lead for that, earning $82,431.90 at the NFR-- so I'm assuming that's what Sherry was leading 

ETA: should've read other replies before I posted haha - someone confirmed this - thanks! (The Top Gun/NFR earner wins the Ram truck)


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Woo go Sherry!

Slower round tonight but Stingray still worked as usual! I hope she goes clean for 10.

I happened to see babyflo slip, hope she is ok Fallon was really checking her coming out . Did anyone else notice her dad almost got ran over coming out? She yelled something at him and he moved at the last minute. I wouldn't want that job in the alley leading them up or trying to stop them!
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I thought the idea was to NOT knock those round thingies over..
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hammer_time - 2013-12-12 3:15 AM Β Anyone else notice Sydni not really hustling?

Maybe it's not what the horse needs but it sure stood out to me.

I'd read an article (and someone posted it on one of these threads) that she had broken her tailbone this year and had really bad nerve damage that was incredibly painful. I wonder if that's still bothering her. I'd love to see her get in the money before the week's over.

I was so rooting for Sherry to get in last night - she's made money in every round! Can someone clarify- I saw this on FB maybe, does she get a Ram truck if she does it in all 10 rounds?Β Β 

And of course- props to Taylor & Bo!Β 

Well in that case, I don't blame her.

Sabrina is another quiet rider....and it kind of bothers me! I want all these girls to do well but I see a lack of hustle in some of them. But I don't know if I could rodeo 10 days in a row....but for that money, I would be whipping and spurring the whole way.

Is anyone else noticing how important it is to get that nose? Makes me really think back to a YouTube video I saw with Danyelle Campbell and her talking about pulling to the hip to get the nose instead of lifting up which stiffens the rib cage. Easier said than done, but you really see it Up close and personal in these runs.
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hammer_time - 2013-12-13 1:39 AM

KDS - 2013-12-12 5:28 AM

hammer_time - 2013-12-12 3:15 AM Β Anyone else notice Sydni not really hustling?

Maybe it's not what the horse needs but it sure stood out to me.

I'd read an article (and someone posted it on one of these threads) that she had broken her tailbone this year and had really bad nerve damage that was incredibly painful. I wonder if that's still bothering her. I'd love to see her get in the money before the week's over.

I was so rooting for Sherry to get in last night - she's made money in every round! Can someone clarify- I saw this on FB maybe, does she get a Ram truck if she does it in all 10 rounds?Β Β 

And of course- props to Taylor & Bo!Β 

Well in that case, I don't blame her.

Sabrina is another quiet rider....and it kind of bothers me! I want all these girls to do well but I see a lack of hustle in some of them. But I don't know if I could rodeo 10 days in a row....but for that money, I would be whipping and spurring the whole way.

Is anyone else noticing how important it is to get that nose? Makes me really think back to a YouTube video I saw with Danyelle Campbell and her talking about pulling to the hip to get the nose instead of lifting up which stiffens the rib cage. Easier said than done, but you really see it Up close and personal in these runs.

I've always been taught to pull to the hip. But some have said pulling up & out is better. Idk. I guess it depends on the horse & rider. I would feel out of control with super long reins.
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Sherry- Stingray's first barrel was just spot on. Sherry took a bit of a different approach with that outside rein to the second tonight. Rather than wait until they were getting to the pocket and then bumping the outside rein to hold her on course, she opened that outside rein and guided Stingray onto a much safer path while going across the pen tonight. In doing so, Sherry was able to allow Stingray to have a more fluid second barrel turn and her normal snap was much more evident. Stingray didn't crowd the third as much tonight as she did in the previous round, but the bit of picking at the outside line that Sherry did have to do sure got her flat in the turn, resulting in her being tight on the backside and having to step off leaving.

Trula- Well, the problem with magic tricks is that the audience always seems to figure out how they work in the end. This was definitely a bit the case with Worm tonight. The first barrel was quite nice and Trula rode very aggressively. The bit change had just lost it's magic after a couple of rounds and Worm was definitely getting sticky footed at the second again tonight. Trula did just about everything one could to try and get by there. With the lack of the extra momentum that they had in the two previous rounds, when Trula went to the outside rein in an attempt to hold Worm out, that inside shoulder just dove in harder. A very aggressive ride at the third worked beautifully tonight.

Sydni- I thought that Sydni had made a very wise decision last night in backing off and trying to focus on Clancy being correct and the timers backed up that thought process. I'm not sure if Sydni felt as though that one night of tuning would be enough and opted just to go for it tonight, but sadly, that wasn't the case. Clancy certainly came into the arena much harder tonight than he has in previous rounds and as such, just never really got himself together for the first barrel. I must say, he seemed to really be trying to make up for it on the way to the second. Definitely more focused on hitting his points tonight, they got into the second barrel quite well. Again, another step through the backside and more support from Sydni would have allowed for a much better finish coming off of the second barrel. Even with a less than ideal approach to the third, Clancy found the backside and finished quite nicely. In the end, this NFR will have given Clancy a ton of exposure to the birhgt lights, which is a good thing because I'm sure they will make it here again.

Shada- This team was on tonight. Shada stayed up and square and really rode Dial It all the way through the first barrel tonight. She did a wonderful job of setting up yet another great second turn by lifting that inside rein and setting Dial It back on his hocks, all the while continuing to ride forward and straight into the pocket. I felt as though Dial It was running just a bit stronger to the third tonight and really driving that inside hind leg all the way into the hole. That added momentum allowed for a rather fluid turn at the third. It was definitely the best third barrel I have seen out of this team all week. Shada did catch his face leaving again, but in a much less obtrusive way than last night. Hopefully, after a couple of good turns in a row, she will allow him a bit more freedon tomorrow. I was super glad to see this pair get a nice piece of the payout tonight.

Jean- I'm sure that I drove everyone in the house crazy yelling at the TV while Jean was running tonight. Jean got to the inside again as she approached the first, but stepped to her outside stirrup just enough to get Zan to step back up and clear it. In doing so, they got a bit deep behind it. Having done all of that maneuvering at the backside of the first, Jean didn't moved over onto that line that she carried to the 2nd barrel last night and it almost cost her another downed barrel here tonight. This little horse has such a cowy stylethat even when things get tight, he never breaks his momentum. I'd need a whole roll of duct tape to stay in the middle when he snaps through the backside at the 2nd, for sure. I felt as though Jean once again got tipped over the inside shoulder as they entered the third barrel. In this case, it did cause Zan to get heavy up front for just a step, but that step certainly slowed them down just a bit.

Jane- Jane did a great job of using her outside aids at the first barrel tonight. She really hustled out of there and got her horse straight. That allowed for a much better entrance to the second barrel than she had last night and the difference in the turns was like night and day. This horse has such a fluid turn when everything is set right and sure kept the motor running through that turn tonight. Jane really lifted up and across the neck in order to get by the third tonight. She actually got indirect enough that she really got her horse's head and neck a bit out of position. As a result, there was a bit of a fight when she opened that inside rein again and pulled to finish the turn. That little bit of resistance and shaking of the head causes minimal disturbance to the speed being carried away from the backside, but as we all well know, in this game .01 of a second can make a huge difference.

Lisa- A very uncharacteristic downed barrel for this pair was certainly disappointing. It looked to me as though Louie got a bit bouncy as he set for the turn. It could be that he got just a bit heavy on his front end after so many rounds of running to that wall, but it seemed more like he maybe found an unfortunate bit of ground. Either way, that slight disturbance in his stride caused what had been up until that point, an expertly ridden turn to get just a bit shorter than it should have. From there out, it was a textbook run for Louie and Lisa. This team is so super consistent that I could almost copy and paste from one night to the next.

Taylor- Bo came off of the first barrel just a bit stiff and didn't get the best of finish. Taylor did a great job of lifting her leg to clear the barrel, but it appeared to me as though in having done so, she actually stepped into her outside stirrup a bit, which caused Bo to straighten as he did. Having come off of that first barrel just a bit low, they got to the second barrel with very little pocket as it was. As soon as Bo went to make his normal move, Taylor dropped her outside rein and followed him into the turn. Staying two handed and driving him one step further up might have saved them. That being as it may, having ridden horses with a similar style, it can be very difficult to accomplish. The third barrel was a s close to perfection as a horse of this style can get. Absoloutely not a single ounce of wasted motion, energy, or room. Taylor's a tough cookie and she won't let this get to her.

Kaley- Cowboy is just a machine. Kaley rode much more centered tonight and it showed in the turns. She still got forward a bit in the left turns, but she remained squarely in the middle. Kaley does such a great job of being quiet with her hands and really using her feet to move him into position. Hopefully, this is the sort of ride that we see from Kaley for the last two rounds.

Brittany- I was very glad to see that Brittany rode much more squarely tonight, as well. No leading off with the outside rein, or leaning into the turns tonight. While SuperFly's turns were not quite as polished as they were the first night that we saw him, I felt as though that was more a matter of him being a bit on the muscle and running as though the atmosphere maybe had him a bit more up than normal. Brittany will have settled back in and cleaning the backsides up, I'm sure.

Sabrina- I thought it was a wise choice to get back on Uno tonight. A little more hustle through the first turn would have set them up for a much better entrance to the second barrel tonight. Sabrina did a great job of getting back with her horse after a squeaky moment there on the backside of the second. Again, a more aggressive ride was definitely needed in order for them to go clean at the third. If Sabrina would get two handed and drive for a spot that would allow the turn to happen five feet behind the barrel instead of starting five feet before it, the outcome could have been much different for this pair.

Fallon- That fall coming into the first barrel was ugly! I felt as though both Fallon and BabyFlo recovered remarkably well, all things considered. Having had that fall really shook up Fallon's focus going across to the second, quite understandably. It appeared to me as though upon approaching the second, Fallon just did what she could, which in this case was to bump straight back on her outside rein. This caused BabyFlo to drop that inside shoulder and dive in pretty hard. Even with everything that had already happened, Fallon rode aggressively, stayed squared and didn't allow for her horse to flatten at the third. She did ride it one handed tonight, as is her preferred way of doing it. Having gotten two handed for a couple of rounds seemed to have helped to free BabyFlo up enough that it worked beautifully tonight.

Christy- Movin' ran through her rate point again a bit tonight at the first. This little mare has so much power that if she doesn't get set just right, her stride just carries her by, even when she is arced and trying to make the proper turn. Christy gave her a great ride at the second and you couldn't have asked for it to have been much nicer. Movin' shortened back up and dropped that shoulder coming to the third tonight. Christy will need to get two handed all the way into the hole tomorrow and really drive her up there square to regain control of that shoulder, but I have no doubt that she will do just that.

Michelle- Slick is just devouring the first barrel in the T&M. Michelle has such great timing with this horse and it seems as though they could turn a flawless first barrel in this pen even if both of them were blindfolded. I have watched multiple times to try and see what caused the slip at the second, but to no avail. The one thing that I do know is, Michelle set the turn up well and neither of them let it effect them. What a recovery! Michelle maybe picked Slick off of the third barrel a bit more aggressively tonight than in previous rounds. Normally the motion is more of an elevated leading rein with the outside. Tonight, I didn't feel as the rein was opened away from his neck as much and rotated a bit higher and further back toward her body than normal. I felt as though this got Slick bogged down on his front end just a bit, which caused him to get a bit hung up in the ground and not finish quite as he normally would.

Mary- Mary gave her normal, competent ride at the first and it worked just as it has so many times. Latte got as short at the second barrel tonight as he has in the last couple of rounds. Mary held her shoulders and hips square enough to get him by it, but you could see her outside hand starting to pick him off and her chin tip ever so slightly to the inside, to gauge whether or not they would clear it. They did get by it, but barely. About two strides out from the third, you could see Mary starting to think that they were going to crown the third. As soon as she had that thought, so did Latte. Mary's attempt at pulling him off of it with both reins Just caused him to come into it even harder. Mary knew what was coming and looked right to the scene of the crash long before it actually happened. Hopefully, we'll see Mary get back to using her body to hold him square, as she did in the last couple of rounds.
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Shada also had a tie down on Dial It instead of a bonnet and put a Flair nose strip on him (unless normally she's had a black strip one, this one was grey so I noticed it).
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Watched the round again on youtube, sounded like Fallon yelled she went down to her dad. Could be wrong though. Hope babyflo is ok
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Thanks for the critique . I really appreciate reading them, it's awesome of you to take time to write this up. Thanks so much!
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 It can't be said too many times how incredible, amazing and unbelievable Sherry and Stingray are.   8 rounds, all winning checks and some of the checks first place- wow!!!!!!  How mentally tough is Sherry, wish she could bottle that up and sell me some.
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I haven't read through every single comment so I'm sorry if it's already Been mentioned but had anyone else noticed how long shada's reins are? I know everyone rides different but they seem unbelievably long??
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rodeomom3 - 2013-12-13 7:54 AM  It can't be said too many times how incredible, amazing and unbelievable Sherry and Stingray are.   8 rounds, all winning checks and some of the checks first place- wow!!!!!!  How mentally tough is Sherry, wish she could bottle that up and sell me some.

Agreed! Those two are incredible!  
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Can anyone tell me if Fallon trained baby Flo herself? If she did kudos to her, I've watched a lot of her training videos online it's not quiet my style of riding but that horse has a pretty pattern not to mention he gets down on his arse and slides around each barrel following his nose perfectly. There's a reason he's AQHA horse of the year!!!! I love watching the different styles of horses and riders.

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hammer_time - 2013-12-13 12:39 AM

KDS - 2013-12-12 5:28 AM

hammer_time - 2013-12-12 3:15 AM Β Anyone else notice Sydni not really hustling?

Maybe it's not what the horse needs but it sure stood out to me.

I'd read an article (and someone posted it on one of these threads) that she had broken her tailbone this year and had really bad nerve damage that was incredibly painful. I wonder if that's still bothering her. I'd love to see her get in the money before the week's over.

I was so rooting for Sherry to get in last night - she's made money in every round! Can someone clarify- I saw this on FB maybe, does she get a Ram truck if she does it in all 10 rounds?Β Β 

And of course- props to Taylor & Bo!Β 

Well in that case, I don't blame her.

Sabrina is another quiet rider....and it kind of bothers me! I want all these girls to do well but I see a lack of hustle in some of them. But I don't know if I could rodeo 10 days in a row....but for that money, I would be whipping and spurring the whole way.

Is anyone else noticing how important it is to get that nose? Makes me really think back to a YouTube video I saw with Danyelle Campbell and her talking about pulling to the hip to get the nose instead of lifting up which stiffens the rib cage. Easier said than done, but you really see it Up close and personal in these runs.

Β Quiet doesn't mean not hustling. You can ask the horse to run without doing a bunch of obvious kicking and whipping. A lot of horses will run harder from hustling with your seat and smaller leg movements from the knee down in their rhythm. It doesn't look like a hustle but it is.
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Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-13 7:31 AM
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hammer_time - 2013-12-12 3:15 AM  Anyone else notice Sydni not really hustling?

Maybe it's not what the horse needs but it sure stood out to me.
I'd read an article (and someone posted it on one of these threads) that she had broken her tailbone this year and had really bad nerve damage that was incredibly painful. I wonder if that's still bothering her. I'd love to see her get in the money before the week's over.



I was so rooting for Sherry to get in last night - she's made money in every round! Can someone clarify- I saw this on FB maybe, does she get a Ram truck if she does it in all 10 rounds?  



And of course- props to Taylor & Bo! 
Well in that case, I don't blame her. Sabrina is another quiet rider....and it kind of bothers me! I want all these girls to do well but I see a lack of hustle in some of them. But I don't know if I could rodeo 10 days in a row....but for that money, I would be whipping and spurring the whole way. Is anyone else noticing how important it is to get that nose? Makes me really think back to a YouTube video I saw with Danyelle Campbell and her talking about pulling to the hip to get the nose instead of lifting up which stiffens the rib cage. Easier said than done, but you really see it Up close and personal in these runs.
 Quiet doesn't mean not hustling. You can ask the horse to run without doing a bunch of obvious kicking and whipping. A lot of horses will run harder from hustling with your seat and smaller leg movements from the knee down in their rhythm. It doesn't look like a hustle but it is.

Amen.   
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So very tickled for Shada pulling a 3rd place check!   I did notice the Flair Strip but didn't notice the tie down.  Everything moves to fast! LOL  
Sad about Lisa tipping.  Heck a lot of girls tipped, makes me sad.  I still want to see Jean run Annie. 
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I forgot to mention Fallons slip.  That looked scary bad and I hope Baby Flo is ok.  
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Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-13 7:31 AM
hammer_time - 2013-12-13 12:39 AM
KDS - 2013-12-12 5:28 AM
hammer_time - 2013-12-12 3:15 AM  Anyone else notice Sydni not really hustling?

Maybe it's not what the horse needs but it sure stood out to me.
I'd read an article (and someone posted it on one of these threads) that she had broken her tailbone this year and had really bad nerve damage that was incredibly painful. I wonder if that's still bothering her. I'd love to see her get in the money before the week's over.



I was so rooting for Sherry to get in last night - she's made money in every round! Can someone clarify- I saw this on FB maybe, does she get a Ram truck if she does it in all 10 rounds?  



And of course- props to Taylor & Bo! 
Well in that case, I don't blame her. Sabrina is another quiet rider....and it kind of bothers me! I want all these girls to do well but I see a lack of hustle in some of them. But I don't know if I could rodeo 10 days in a row....but for that money, I would be whipping and spurring the whole way. Is anyone else noticing how important it is to get that nose? Makes me really think back to a YouTube video I saw with Danyelle Campbell and her talking about pulling to the hip to get the nose instead of lifting up which stiffens the rib cage. Easier said than done, but you really see it Up close and personal in these runs.
 Quiet doesn't mean not hustling. You can ask the horse to run without doing a bunch of obvious kicking and whipping. A lot of horses will run harder from hustling with your seat and smaller leg movements from the knee down in their rhythm. It doesn't look like a hustle but it is.

Agree.  Whipping and spurring doesn't work on all horses.  I've got some that would freak out if I did all that.  Use your body and drive them forward doesn't require riding wild.  JMO
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