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Location: SE Louisiana | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-17 2:14 AM
I enjoy these types of posts ....
I notice that most disliked bloodlines are the fast horses that scare the pants off of someone that does not have the riding ability to stay in rhythm with the horse ... or are used to the cold blooded ranch horses and a horse on the muscle freaks them out ... lol
It is the same with exercise riders or jockeys at the track .... over half of the jockeys are coasters and are riding for the day money .... a top jockey can get on the same horse and make it look easy to win the race ...
I dislike seeing great sires names drug thru the dirt when they are several generations back with several generations of trash horses are up in front ...
If these horses from the great sires were untrainable or crazy their sires would have never commanded the stud fees they do or did and their progeny win records would not amount to a hill of beans .....
Always ask where they bought the horse they are dissing and what they paid for it ... that will tell you more than you want to know ....
MEET MY DOUBLE BRED CHICKS BEDUINO MARE ....>>>>>>>>>
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | komet. - 2014-01-17 1:34 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-16 4:38 PM rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.
Just seem like pointless generalizations that aren't really based on much, but by gosh there was 1 name that's recognized on the papers so that much be the issue. How many generations do you have to get away from Impressive before HYPP stops kicking in? If that lasts so long why not a bad attitude?  
HYPP doesn't "dilute" over the generations. The horse has the gene or they don't. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-17 6:52 AM
komet. - 2014-01-17 1:34 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-16 4:38 PM rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.
Just seem like pointless generalizations that aren't really based on much, but by gosh there was 1 name that's recognized on the papers so that much be the issue. How many generations do you have to get away from Impressive before HYPP stops kicking in? If that lasts so long why not a bad attitude?
...so why not the attitude of what comes with Impressive .. or the fighting spirit of the Hancock mares?
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Location: North of where I want to be | Certain character traits absolutely can be genetic, and while whatever sire or dam is being blamed may be 5 generations back, the off spring most certainly can carry it forward to some degree. And obviously the out crossings can either help eleviate or emphasize these less than desireable traits. Its a fact. Years of breeding & experience have shown that. Its become way to easy to pin point the big name in a pedigree and lay blame but that is because while we can scientifically prove a physical characteristic, there is no solid litmus test for personality in horses and then there is enviromental elements that impact that as well.
I will never be convinced that the Impressive horses are duds, or that the mares are not some of the most wicked things on legs in the wrong hand. I personally love them. However the marketability has be impacted by a genetic mutation that can be tested for & proven. If you could do a test on a horse to tell you if it was going to be naturally rank there are a lot of great horses that would not have made it past the kill pen. Fortunately, there are those of us who get along well with certain personality types. I know that my new gelding would have been sent down the road by a lot of other trainers for the stunts he has pulled. For me, he works his a** off so he gets to stay. I have a mare that was heading for the kill pen because the guy couldn't get along with her....he said "she's the prettiest thing, but not worth a lick when I get a little rough with her" Well, not all horses were meant for rough hands.....she is the grittiest, toughest most honest thing I own. She is a who's who of the cow & old lines most don't like all in the 3rd & 4th gen.
I personally do not like the personalities of a few bloodlines, both in speed,cow and foundation.......but there are a few I would fill my barn with everyday of the week. I LOVE the Doc Bar, Hancock, King, Azure Te, Impressives,SKPW,
You have these same issues in any breed though. I worked in the Standard Bred industry for years, the Albatross horses were either loved or hated. Samething with TBs. |
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Location: WA | I'll eventually read all 6 pages of this, but we took a chance on a N/N Impressive gelding. He is a great horse, my husband loves him. He likes to buck if you let him do whatever he wants, but I blame that on the buckskin in him, not the breeding (I jest of course). Would I breed an Impressive mare? Nope, just better not and I would only breed one to better the breed as a whole and there is that very slight chancethat you would not be bettering the breed with that. But a negative gelding, yup, we would take one. Ours will do anything. With some tuning I could take him in an English Eq class and do well, my hubby takes him over any terrain trail riding and he doesn't do bad out gaming. |
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| How about Special Effort? I haven't seen anyone talk about him yet. |
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Location: MT | sandra77 - 2014-01-17 11:16 AM How about Special Effort? I haven't seen anyone talk about him yet.
I had a grandson. Loved that horse, one of the very best I've ever had.
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Location: MT | Docs Zimfandel is the one that I run from. Had an own son who was as crazy and dangerous as they come, definately had a short circuit somewhere and he wound up hurting me pretty bad (2 surgeries and many months to heal up). He would buck, but the biggest problem with him was that he had absolutely no sense of self preservation. He'd run right off a cliff with you on him even if it meant killing himself in the process.
Is Docs Zimfandel the only one to blame? No. If I remembered what his dam side was that would be one I ran from too!
It's probably silly to blame it all on a bloodline, but you can bet I wouldn't buy another one that had him close. There's too many nice horses out there that I could buy that weren't at all related to Docs Zimfandel.
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Location: East Texas | lol..... I have a Peppy San Badger that has never bucked once, and I let my 6yo son ride.
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Location: USA | What are Firewater Flit horse like? |
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Location: Northern CA | Oh yeah, couldn't give me a Sonny Dee Bar either.... |
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| I had an own son of special effort. He was a really nice horse but we didnt click but Im not blaming him, I think it was more my riding wasnt quite what it should be to deal with him. He was a little spastic and my husband and my dad both hated him but I miss him every day :( |
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| halter_ego - 2014-01-17 2:27 PM
Oh yeah, couldn't give me a Sonny Dee Bar either....
pretty sure the one horse iv ever owned that lance graves wouldnt be able to make a barrel horse had sonny dee bar. and blondys dude but I wont blame him. |
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| Lookin For Diamonds - 2014-01-17 2:13 PM
What are Firewater Flit horse like?
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| Itsme - 2014-01-17 3:03 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2014-01-17 2:13 PM What are Firewater Flit horse like? I could really stir the pot here and get voted down about 10 times...
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | OregonBR - 2014-01-15 2:06 PM losthaven - 2014-01-15 11:46 AM Impressive but just because I am in the raising and selling business and buyers tend to shy away from Impressive bloodlines regardless of their status. An interesting note about Impressive is that he was not bred to be a halter horse. He was bred to race but because of his sheer size and muscle mass his race career was cut short (he dis go into race training and was apparently quite speedy but owners feared injury due to his size). It was his size, conformation and muscle mass that attracted halter breeders to him. The other interesting piece of info about Impressive is that he himself did not have HYPP. Neither did his sire or dam have HYPP. It started as a genetic mutation in Impressive's semen only which is why he wasn't affected. The how or the why the mutation occurred is yet unknown. I'm pretty sure he was N/H. He was tried on the track. He couldn't run a lick. You are right about the rest. His sire nor dam had HYPP. The mutation started with him. His mass because of HYPP made him a natural at halter and passing on the gene for it made him a halter sire. N/H horses and H/H horses get mass without work. Which is why the halter breeders flocked to him. They didn't need to work the animals to get muscle. 
Just to ad to this "other interesting piece of info"
Hancock himself wasn't a bucker, in fact he never bucked.... but the mares they brought to him were rank.....
Ive owned more Hancocks then any other bloodline and loved them all...
I tend to steer clear of anything Johnny Dial... had 2 and didn't get along with either...
I also agree with almost all the mentioned are not even on the papers anymore it's so far back, it's like sayin my grandpa's grandpa's grandpa is responsible for my awesomeness.... lol |
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Location: USA | Itsme - 2014-01-17 3:03 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2014-01-17 2:13 PM What are Firewater Flit horse like? I could really stir the pot here and get voted down about 10 times...
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Just remember this. What you or I like to work with and for what reasons we like or don't like to work with them.... no animal is perfect. It's about priorities. Physical or mental flaws that you can ignore or not.
Whether you can bond with an animal or not. If they know you like them and you can put up with their flaws, the more likely they are to like you and work for you but not someone else. |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-01-17 3:04 PM Itsme - 2014-01-17 3:03 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2014-01-17 2:13 PM What are Firewater Flit horse like? I could really stir the pot here and get voted down about 10 times...
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I have had 2 daughters of FWF. I sold one and bought a granddaughter out of a DTF daughter. I just sent the check to buy another granddaughter o/o a FDD daughter. I like them. I think I like the granddaughters even more. |
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