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Location: Texas | MS2011 - 2014-03-06 1:34 PM
Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 12:50 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 12:39 PM Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 12:22 PM sodapop - 2014-03-03 11:45 PM Â The PRCA should just ditch the WPRA and include barrel racing as part of the PRCA and include men. Then the men would be able to compete. Why do you think they won't do that? They were at odds one year with the WPRA and created a separate association for barrel racing and still didn't include men when they had the chance to make their own rules. They are a male dominated association. So why don't they make sure men are competing in barrel racing at their rodeos? As far as other rodeo associations, why aren't the men of those associations fighting for men to compete in the barrel racing at rodeos? WPRA will sue just like they did when Sherri tried to create the PBRA. Keep it traditional. Men have 8 other events. Women have one. At least that they can make it to the NFR on.And yes the PRCA may be open to women (idk havmt read rules lately ) but lets face it. Men are the superior gender and we can't compete with them in most of the events. When you look at riding abilities yes. Men are less inclined to be scared and are more aggressive. I love watching men run. They go all out! Its fun to watch and ot shows. Look at lance. Hes a master! Now this doesn't go for all men of course but for the majority. Anything horsey is dominated by men....except barrel racing. (Idk about englsh however ) my best mentors have been men. I learned so much more from them because they are so full on and expect perfection. They are hard on their students and it shows in the end result. I'm a better rider because of them. More aggressive no fear. Â
Notice I said IDK ABOUT ENGLISH.
ETA: no horsemanship doesn't pick a gender but the majority of mencompared to women are better riders. Cutting reining roping roughstock even dressage I see more men.western pleasure...the list goes on. Men rule the horse world. Except barrel racing. I think it has to do woth society naming it as a WOMENS sport. But now men are wanting to race and not afraid to. Which is fine. I just don't they should be allowed to run WPRA
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| Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 11:22 AM sodapop - 2014-03-03 11:45 PM The PRCA should just ditch the WPRA and include barrel racing as part of the PRCA and include men. Then the men would be able to compete. Why do you think they won't do that? They were at odds one year with the WPRA and created a separate association for barrel racing and still didn't include men when they had the chance to make their own rules. They are a male dominated association. So why don't they make sure men are competing in barrel racing at their rodeos? As far as other rodeo associations, why aren't the men of those associations fighting for men to compete in the barrel racing at rodeos? WPRA will sue just like they did when Sherri tried to create the PBRA. Keep it traditional. Men have 8 other events. Women have one. At least that they can make it to the NFR on.And yes the PRCA may be open to women (idk havmt read rules lately ) but lets face it. Men are the superior gender and we can't compete with them in most of the events.
Sherrie who? PBRA - stands for?
Are you referring to the lawsuit between the PRCA and the WPRA when Troy Ellerman's board of directors tried to bring the barrel racing in-house? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:31 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 1:28 PM So I guess to say Sherry Cervi is "World Champion" is a little misleading then? She is "Women's Barrel Racing World Champion". That's pretty accurate, correct? If men aren't allowed to compete against her then maybe there really should be an asterisk next to her title. Then every man who has ever won a world title should have that same asterick. Because he never once competed against a Women to get that title.
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HotBear - I think it was a huge disservice to women and mother's everywhere when they were allowed into combat roles. Just a personal opinion, but men are MADE to try to protect women and that instinct has fallen by the wayside hugely since women insist on doing every dang thing under the sun.
I'm sure it's worked well for some, but just personally I think it's been a distraction and we've lost too many men and women in the last 15 years or however long this insane "war" has been going on. There, worms. |
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Location: Texas | smiley - 2014-03-06 1:37 PM
Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 11:22 AM sodapop - 2014-03-03 11:45 PM Â The PRCA should just ditch the WPRA and include barrel racing as part of the PRCA and include men. Then the men would be able to compete. Why do you think they won't do that? They were at odds one year with the WPRA and created a separate association for barrel racing and still didn't include men when they had the chance to make their own rules. They are a male dominated association. So why don't they make sure men are competing in barrel racing at their rodeos? As far as other rodeo associations, why aren't the men of those associations fighting for men to compete in the barrel racing at rodeos? WPRA will sue just like they did when Sherri tried to create the PBRA. Keep it traditional. Men have 8 other events. Women have one. At least that they can make it to the NFR on.And yes the PRCA may be open to women (idk havmt read rules lately ) but lets face it. Men are the superior gender and we can't compete with them in most of the events.
Are you referring to the lawsuit between the PRCA and the WPRA when Troy Ellerman's board of directors tried to bring the barrel racing in-house?
Several years ago sherri (I think it was sherri cervi) and a few other top women tried to form the Professional Barrel Racers Association and prca was going to sanction them instead of wpra because wpra wasn't putting up the prize money at the NFR. the prca was. WPRA sued, won, PBRA was killed and PRCA stopped publishing anything about WPRA in the PSN |
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Location: Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 1:39 PM
Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:31 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 1:28 PM So I guess to say Sherry Cervi is "World Champion" is a little misleading then? Â She is "Women's Barrel Racing World Champion". Â That's pretty accurate, correct? Â If men aren't allowed to compete against her then maybe there really should be an asterisk next to her title. Then every man who has ever won a world title should have that same asterick. Because he never once competed against a Women to get that title.
No but me as a woman I know I can't compete against a man in their sport. Not to mention how would a man feel if a woman went in and kicked their butts at bull riding. Hed feel about an inch tall. I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it.
This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport?
Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:50 PM I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA.
^^^^ THIS is the biggest bunch of "bull pucky" that I have ever read......I have competed against my hubby in sorting and penning and you can bet your a$$ I have beat him. And you know what......he doesn't feel one bit "diminished".........he is PROUD !!! |
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Location: Texas | NJJ - 2014-03-06 1:58 PM
Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:50 PMÂ I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA.
 ^^^^ THIS is the biggest bunch of "bull pucky" that I have ever read......I have competed against my hubby in sorting and penning and you can bet your a$$ I have beat him. And you know what......he doesn't feel one bit "diminished".........he is PROUD !!!
You do realize I said bull riding. ...a MANS sport.
And to each their own. I wouldn't do that to my husband in a MANS sport. Sorting and penning is open to everyone and women regularly compete. Always have. Barrel racing hasnt. Its traditiona a WOMANS sport as is all other RODEO events a MANS sport. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2014-03-06 1:58 PM Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:50 PM I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA. ^^^^ THIS is the biggest bunch of "bull pucky" that I have ever read......I have competed against my hubby in sorting and penning and you can bet your a$$ I have beat him. And you know what......he doesn't feel one bit "diminished".........he is PROUD !!!
I agree with Norma. I get my ass kicked all the time by women and little girls that weigh as much as my cat. I don't feel like I am less masculine because of that. I'm just not so insecure that I feel I am less of a man because a girl whupped me on a fast horse. In fact, if I beat a little girl on a fast horse, I usually feel like that is a pretty good accomplishment, because a lot of those little girls are darned tough to beat and darned good little hands. |
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| NJJ - 2014-03-06 1:58 PM
Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:50 PMÂ I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA.
 ^^^^ THIS is the biggest bunch of "bull pucky" that I have ever read......I have competed against my hubby in sorting and penning and you can bet your a$$ I have beat him. And you know what......he doesn't feel one bit "diminished".........he is PROUD !!!
My husband and I are crazy competitive at EVERYTHING we do together. He can't flip a rock at a target without me picking one up too. We never let either win just because we don't want to hurt feelings or pad the other's ego. I think if a man gets his feelings hurt because a woman whipped up and took his money he should probably go back "He-man Woman Haters Clubhouse" and pull his girlie panties out of his crack!
And the same goes for woman. If you can't handle being beat by a man in the barrel pen, you better find your big girl panties or go home! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | smiley - 2014-03-06 1:41 PM
HotBear - I think it was a huge disservice to women and mother's everywhere when they were allowed into combat roles. Just a personal opinion, but men are MADE to try to protect women and that instinct has fallen by the wayside hugely since women insist on doing every dang thing under the sun.
I'm sure it's worked well for some, but just personally I think it's been a distraction and we've lost too many men and women in the last 15 years or however long this insane "war" has been going on. There, worms.
I don't like the idea of a woman in combat either, particularly in combat zones where they would be subject to unthinkable torture and rape, should they be captured. That said, if a woman feels strongly that she should be allowed, I guess my view is they ought to be allowed, provided the actual physical standards are met, the same as men. The chivalrous part of me is against women in combat, though. I hate to see that, personally. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 2:05 PM NJJ - 2014-03-06 1:58 PM Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:50 PM I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA. ^^^^ THIS is the biggest bunch of "bull pucky" that I have ever read......I have competed against my hubby in sorting and penning and you can bet your a$$ I have beat him. And you know what......he doesn't feel one bit "diminished".........he is PROUD !!! You do realize I said bull riding. ...a MANS sport. And to each their own. I wouldn't do that to my husband in a MANS sport. Sorting and penning is open to everyone and women regularly compete. Always have. Barrel racing hasnt. Its traditiona a WOMANS sport as is all other RODEO events a MANS sport.
So now you have thrown out English, Sorting, Penning.....so you must mean "rough stock" ONLY......Because I know some pretty "Salty" WOMEN Cutters and Reiners....oh, and they beat their husbands too........ |
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Location: Texas | You all totally missed the point. I'm out! Won't argue with brock walls. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 2:13 PM You all totally missed the point. I'm out! Won't argue with brock walls.
I got the point....you didn't even KNOW that the women can compete in the PRCA........ |
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Location: Texas | NJJ - 2014-03-06 2:13 PM
Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 2:05 PM NJJ - 2014-03-06 1:58 PM Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:50 PMÂ I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA. Â ^^^^ THIS is the biggest bunch of "bull pucky" that I have ever read......I have competed against my hubby in sorting and penning and you can bet your a$$ I have beat him. And you know what......he doesn't feel one bit "diminished".........he is PROUD !!! You do realize I said bull riding. ...a MANS sport. And to each their own. I wouldn't do that to my husband in a MANS sport. Sorting and penning is open to everyone and women regularly compete. Always have. Barrel racing hasnt. Its traditiona a WOMANS sport as is all other RODEO events a MANS sport.
I've beat my ex plenty of times in cutting. But it isn't tradtionally a man's sport. |
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Location: Texas | NJJ - 2014-03-06 2:15 PM
Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 2:13 PM You all totally missed the point. I'm out! Won't argue with brock walls.
I got the point....you didn't even KNOW that the women can compete in the PRCA........Â
So I'm belittled because I openly stated my ignorance? |
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Location: A Higher Elevation | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 11:07 AM
If a woman wants to enlist in a branch of the military and if she wants to fight in combat, should she be allowed to do it if she can pass certain physical standards? Â Should she be prohibited just because she's a woman?
Obama just opened combat MOS's to women... They've been talking about lower standards for them, of course...
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Spring Fling - 2014-03-06 2:21 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 11:07 AM If a woman wants to enlist in a branch of the military and if she wants to fight in combat, should she be allowed to do it if she can pass certain physical standards? Should she be prohibited just because she's a woman? Obama just opened combat MOS's to women... They've been talking about lower standards for them, of course...
I think the standards should be the same, regardless of gender. Lowering the standards only risks putting women more at risk in combat. |
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Location: A Higher Elevation | Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 12:05 PM
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:50 PMÂ I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA.
 ^^^^ THIS is the biggest bunch of "bull pucky" that I have ever read......I have competed against my hubby in sorting and penning and you can bet your a$$ I have beat him. And you know what......he doesn't feel one bit "diminished".........he is PROUD !!!
You do realize I said bull riding. ...a MANS sport.
And to each their own. I wouldn't do that to my husband in a MANS sport. Sorting and penning is open to everyone and women regularly compete. Always have. Barrel racing hasnt. Its traditiona a WOMANS sport as is all other RODEO events a MANS sport.
Alicat0909 - Have you ever seen OLD rodeo pics from the 1940's and before?? Women competed in ALL rodeo events - rough stock, bull dogging, everything.
Women can compete in any PRCA event as long as they buy their PRCA permit. Men's sports??? Tell that to Kaila Mussell. She earned enough money to fill her permit and buy her card. She went to several different associations' finals in SADDLE BRONC - against men! Including a PRCA sanctioned Circuit Finals.
I can list the names of several other women that have done well and won big money competing as PRCA members.
PRCA ALLOWS WOMEN TO COMPETE IN ALL EVENTS!!!!!! |
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Location: A Higher Elevation | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 12:32 PM
Spring Fling - 2014-03-06 2:21 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 11:07 AM If a woman wants to enlist in a branch of the military and if she wants to fight in combat, should she be allowed to do it if she can pass certain physical standards? Â Should she be prohibited just because she's a woman? Obama just opened combat MOS's to women... They've been talking about lower standards for them, of course...
They currently are the same. But I heard a poll on the news on the radio in the last couple weeks. Only like .07% (not 7%) :) of women currently in the military have any interest in going into a combat MOS.
The lower standards also put the other people in their unit at risk also.
I do agree that if you are a woman and tough enough to make the standards, go for it! But don't give them any special breaks. Not all men pass the standards... |
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