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Location: Iowa | Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-28 3:59 PM
I was in contact with Stillwater almost immediately, before samples were even sent off. I knew the incompetence of our vets here. We travel almost 2 hours for anything lameness related. Our local vets only vaccinate and draws coggins. It was after hours when we noticed symptoms and feared she wouldn't make a trip. The local vet was our only option at the moment. They insisted that she had a slipped disk or head injury.
We have been in these same shoes when it came to our cows. It literally took pulling teeth to get our vet to talk to us. But they didn't say much at all about it. We had to take a copy of the report to someone else to have them break it down for us and discuss our options because it just wasn't a big deal to our vet. Makes me sick that you had to go through all this. SO SORRY!! |
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | Alittlelost - 2014-04-28 3:48 PM
O we are SO SORRY for you and your daughter ! That just made me cry ! I don't even compete anymore I do this for my daughter ,so I do understand how hard it must be ! And thank you for letting us know about the rhino shot, I was NOT saying anything about anyone not taking precautions , we know lots of very respectable horsemen and woman that do not vaccinate there horses and have very good reasoning for not doing so . I am sorry to discuss a topic that has already been talked about , I just don't have the time to read every post , SORRY for upsetting anyone ! I do know rhino and ehv1 have been around for awhile we just try to keep up on what's new and prevent our horses for getting anythingng we can . Sorry if anyone has taken me wrong , never wanted a problem , it's all about trying to learn what we can about this horrible stuff !
I bought her 5 years ago. My mom then took her over after her tie back surgery. Even tho it was tough for me, my mom had a much harder time. My sister had qualified for BRF and so did her BF. The BF didn't have a horse to run so my mom loaned her out since we were going anyways.
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| Sounds like you are very good people and where dealt this horrible sickness while only helping a friend out , SO SORRY ! I just hope there are no other cases of this stuff ( stuff as we really sounds like we don't know what it is , ehv1 or another form of rhino ? ) good luck to you and thank you for letting us know what All went on so everyone knows what to look for . Thanks again ! |
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Location: Nebraska | The LEC just cancelled all horse events for the week so they can go in and disinfect everything. |
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Location: Iowa | Does anyone know how a person would be able to get more info on this stuff if they didn't do FB? Is there any other place to get more info? Thanks in advance!! |
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Location: Here | Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-28 3:13 PM My daughter is only 3. My mom explained that Mama went to live in heaven. And her first thoughts are the passing of my grandparents. She wants to know if grandpa is going to ride her? Is he going to feed her? Grandpa better tie her up! She then proceeds to tell us that the vet took her in the horse bus (trailer) and he will bring her back when she's better.... Ahhhh the innocence of a child's mind.
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Location: Here | Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-28 1:03 PM Timber Creek - 2014-04-28 12:55 PM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-28 11:04 AM OhMax - 2014-04-28 10:41 AM ndcowgirl - 2014-04-28 10:35 AM Stillwater vet clinic was the first to publish the info about the EHV case in Wisconsin. They said the horse tested positive for EHV non neurotrophic strain but did have neuro symptoms Ditto... Just saying, it's been a source of huge confusion for exactly what this outbreak is. I'm going to trust the Stillwater vets as they have been much closer to the action. Our mare did have neurological symptoms. She had lost hind end control and she was unable to urinate. She also had nasal discharge Thursday the 24th, the day she was euthanized. Her tests are positive for EHV-1 NON NEUROTROPHIC strain. We are extremely grateful for Stillwater vets. The have been in constant contact with us. Sending over more info and helping us monitor the rest of our herd. They have went above and beyond. Our local vets have been zero help. I had to call Kentucky to see if the tests were in. They of course couldn't release the info. Then had to badger the local vet to get the results. They didn't seem too concerned. You think they would have been a little more professional throughout this whole ordeal. I would like to thanks everybody for the kindess. We are holding the blame on ourselves. We knew the risks. We thought we took all the necessary precautions for safe travel. In the end it wasn't enough. We have come forward in hope that information will save just one horse. Taking temps for another 2 weeks. No horses in or out for 30 days. Also we aren't allowing any horse owners on the property and we aren't going to any property that has horses or to any horse related events. Under lock down. State inspector may come out to do walk through.
Your honesty in all of this is amazing and is so appreciated. This is what a real competitor does. And I thank you  |
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Location: North Dakota | Thank you for all your information and for being so open and helpful. Hundreds of barrel racers have made the same decision as you to get out and compete. I was just at my first run of the year on Saturday. You are not to be blamed and absolutely NO ONE should judge you!!! Many many MANY people have made the same choice and even vets said it was ok to go. You just happened to be the one that got struck with an unforutnate situation. You cannot blame yourself! You made a choice that at the time you thought was the right one. Like others have said the only way to truly keep our horses away from risk of illness is to keep them at home and to quit hauling forever. Your horse could have come home healthy just as easy as it got sick. It is a risk we all take every time we haul. Heck even loading our horses up and driving them 75mph down the highway is dangerous. But if we just all live in fear of the unknown life would be miserable. I pray that peace comes over you and your family and this feeling of guilt and self blame subsides. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | I am so very sorry for your family's loss. I wish this had not happened to you.
I am very grateful that you came on here to share what happened so that people will understand that there is a risk and that it does get passed on.
My 3 vets have said to stay home during both of the outbreaks and MANY people said they were wrong and vets who said it was ok to go were right.
I am just sorry this is the way for people to realize the truth of the matter.
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| I agree! When it was here in '11, I was told stay home. It stunk because it was May, but I think most people did stay home. So, it really did end fairly quickly. I think with vets telling folks it's okay to travel, this is going to go on and on...
Poor B&B! They took ALL the precautions, vets said it was okay to go but even with that - devastation. |
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Location: iowa | my question is....where did your horse get it from? how are there 1100 entries in a place and only 2 horses get sick. it seems that someone else must have had it also and didnt know it. so really, we just cant know where we might get it from. im so sorry for your loss, but it doesnt seem to me that you should be blamed at all. you were just unfortunately, an unlucky victim of a crappy disease.. |
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | Thanks everybody for all the kind comments. We really do appreciate it. I know my mom has been checking in on this thread, she doesn't do the whole typing/computer thing much but I know she appreciates it as well.
I heard rumor that a test may be pending in IL as well. Not 100% sure on that. It would be great to know exactly how she got it but that's something we will never know unfortunately.
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Location: Iowa | From what I'm reading you can carry it on your clothes too. Who knows where. We all cross paths with lots of bugs everyday. Even walking in a gas station is a potential source. My vet told me to go. We were all informed of the risks. I'm so sorry for your loss. |
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| iacnchsr - 2014-04-28 8:20 PM
my question is....where did your horse get it from? how are there 1100 entries in a place and only 2 horses get sick. it seems that someone else must have had it also and didnt know it. so really, we just cant know where we might get it from. im so sorry for your loss, but it doesnt seem to me that you should be blamed at all. you were just unfortunately, an unlucky victim of a crappy disease..
From what I understand is that any number of those horses can be shedding the virus without anyone's knowledge. Depends on their immune system and their ability to cope with stress. But yes I agree, its really crappy luck that for whatever reason your horse is one where symptoms flare up |
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Location: iowa | i dont know that staying home will stop it. what if im at the gas station and the person in front of me at the counter has it on their coat. and i bump into them. and then go home and do my chores. i could bring it home without any contact with another horse. i see no reason to judge anyone for their actions in hauling or staying home. it seems to me you can get it anywhere. |
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Location: MO | I am so sorry for your loss. There is nothing I can say that will help other than that. I know what it is like to lose one very suddenly.
I did go to the Bonus Race too, hard decision to go, but my friends and I did go. We disinfected stalls with nixall, and When did yours start showing symptoms, and what were they? I will be and will continue to take temps AM and PM for the next few weeks just because. So far so ok though.
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Location: South Dakota | SG. - 2014-04-28 5:00 PM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-28 1:03 PM Timber Creek - 2014-04-28 12:55 PM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-28 11:04 AM OhMax - 2014-04-28 10:41 AM ndcowgirl - 2014-04-28 10:35 AM Stillwater vet clinic was the first to publish the info about the EHV case in Wisconsin. They said the horse tested positive for EHV non neurotrophic strain but did have neuro symptoms Ditto... Just saying, it's been a source of huge confusion for exactly what this outbreak is. I'm going to trust the Stillwater vets as they have been much closer to the action. Our mare did have neurological symptoms. She had lost hind end control and she was unable to urinate. She also had nasal discharge Thursday the 24th, the day she was euthanized. Her tests are positive for EHV-1 NON NEUROTROPHIC strain. We are extremely grateful for Stillwater vets. The have been in constant contact with us. Sending over more info and helping us monitor the rest of our herd. They have went above and beyond. Our local vets have been zero help. I had to call Kentucky to see if the tests were in. They of course couldn't release the info. Then had to badger the local vet to get the results. They didn't seem too concerned. You think they would have been a little more professional throughout this whole ordeal. I would like to thanks everybody for the kindess. We are holding the blame on ourselves. We knew the risks. We thought we took all the necessary precautions for safe travel. In the end it wasn't enough. We have come forward in hope that information will save just one horse. Taking temps for another 2 weeks. No horses in or out for 30 days. Also we aren't allowing any horse owners on the property and we aren't going to any property that has horses or to any horse related events. Under lock down. State inspector may come out to do walk through.
I agree with SG, and you are a real horseperson too. I've been impressed by you since your first post and when I read that about the surgery on your mare and your daughter moving up to her I just cried. I'm thinking of you and praying for the rest of your horses. And I know they will be fine! |
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | Shushi - 2014-04-29 8:23 AM
I am so sorry for your loss. There is nothing I can say that will help other than that. I know what it is like to lose one very suddenly.
I did go to the Bonus Race too, hard decision to go, but my friends and I did go. We disinfected stalls with nixall, and When did yours start showing symptoms, and what were they? I will be and will continue to take temps AM and PM for the next few weeks just because. So far so ok though.
Again, So sorry for your loss and thank you for all your info on this.
Tuesday night we seen nothing out of the ordinary. On Wednesday my dad and I went out to fix some fence. Mama (mare who died) was picking at some grass. Another mare came over and started pin her ears to push her away. When Mama went to move quickly we noticed she was a little wobbly. We got a halter on her and started leading her up to the house. We have a pretty steep hill and she was having a hard time getting up it. We called my mom as the horses are at my farm, and told her to get out here. Called an emergency vet out. He gave dex and a feed through antibiotic. I checked on the mare throughout the night she still had an appetite. Thursday morning I noticed her being unable to urinate. Her wobblyness had increased. Our local vet refused to come put a catheter in her.... she also wouldn't show us how to do it. Our normal vet (1.5hours away) said to bring her up and he would but a catheter in but she couldn't get out of the trailer and risk the horses he had at the clinic. The odds of her making the trip weren't the best. ... what else were we suppose to do? We couldn't let her bladder burst...... at least we would have known that we tried to help her. She went down before the trip could be made and we made the decision to put her down. She had the look in her eyes. She had no fight left in her, she tried getting up a couple times and it was apparent. We couldn't help her anymore. Everybody gave her a pat and said our goodbyes.
Symptoms the 23rd.
Euthanized the 24th
Positive test The 26th
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| I am so sorry for your loss! And so sorry you had to deal with a lousy vet on top of it :( I can't even imagine the difficult time you are going through right now. |
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| I am so sorry for your loss but very impressed with how you are handling everything! |
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