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Location: lone star state | The babcock horses were part of a court ordered dispersal. The owners had no choice. They had choices that got them into trouble but you cannot point fingers at them for this horse being in the condition he is today. Shame on the current caretakers! CT Babcock is an heir and was not a part of the decision making process that got the babcock ranch into trouble. I hope he gets the opportunity to purchase the horse and bring him forever home where dual peppy has earned the right to be well cared for life. |
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| fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM
First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER.
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Location: Here | fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER.
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| SG. - 2014-09-22 8:08 PM fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER. exactly
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Location: My happy place | SG. - 2014-09-22 9:08 PM fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER. exactly
I miss the like button. I believe I read somewhere that the current caretaker/owner's husband spoke in court on behalf registering embro transfers.
Some how this does not susprise me. I can't believe more information has not come out on the owners, would love to hear how this happened. Not that any excuse would change my opinion of them, but I still want to know.
Someone has to know them.......just who forms a partnership spends a boatload of $$$$$ on a horse, and when he gets old, just decides to starve them and let them rot? I know some people are not hands on in the horse business, but not one partner even cared? I sure would like to know who the partners are so I can never do business with anything they own.
Some have said ......wait till all the facts come out. I'm sorry IMO no excuse for horses to live like that. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | As someone that breeds and sells, my answer is, yes. It is the current owners responsibility, but if they can't care for the horse anymore, I will gladly take them back and care for them...and, if I can't I will find someone who can. No questions asked. Period. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Palopony - 2014-09-22 8:34 PM SG. - 2014-09-22 9:08 PM fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER. exactly
Some how this does not susprise me. I can't believe more information has not come out on the owners, would love to hear how this happened. Not that any excuse would change my opinion of them, but I still want to know.
Someone has to know them.......just who forms a partnership spends a boatload of $$$$$ on a horse, and when he gets old, just decides to starve them and let them rot? I know some people are not hands on in the horse business, but not one partner even cared? I sure would like to know who the partners are so I can never do business with anything they own.
Some have said ......wait till all the facts come out. I'm sorry IMO no excuse for horses to live like that.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Update....The remaigning horses that are still alive have been siezed! 
http://www.krdo.com/news/neglected-black-forest-horses-seized/28195126 |
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Location: Washington | And knowing the partners changes what for the horses....more guilty worthless humans? Okay if that is what you need to know rock on. Don't check into what Japan is known to do with "Famous" horses. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | So glad to get on here and see such a good update |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc... |
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Location: Where I am happiest | fatchance - 2014-09-22 9:02 PM And knowing the partners changes what for the horses....more guilty worthless humans? Okay if that is what you need to know rock on. Don't check into what Japan is known to do with "Famous" horses.
Because if they knowingly let this go on, then yes, they are pond scum and just as guilty!! This horse earned more then it would cost to care for him in a proper mannor his entire life. Usually in a "Partnership" all partners are charged a monthly fee for the care of the horse. If they were paying, and the horse obviously wasnt recieving proper care then they can and should file suit. Not to mention the legalities of trying to get their property back now that he has been siezed. It is a very sad situation and epic failure on the owners and care takers part. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 9:09 PM My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc...
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Location: Florida.. | if they went bankrupt or foreclosed all assets were froze.. courts say sell.. they have to.. not in babcocks hands.. it happens.. its horrible and Im sure they feel horrible it happened and Im sure had NO idea he was or any of them were being starved.. the current owner and partners are to blame
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Location: Washington | LRQHS - 2014-09-22 7:09 PM My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc...
Then make sure you never put a price on a horse and or put one through a catalog sale. I hope people who are in a syndication/partnership are taking notes....I stand by what I said. |
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Location: My happy place | fatchance - 2014-09-22 10:02 PM And knowing the partners changes what for the horses....more guilty worthless humans? Okay if that is what you need to know rock on. Don't check into what Japan is known to do with "Famous" horses.
Changes nothing for the horses. I just want to know who the worthless humans are. I saw them on TV, didn't look like they missed many meals. Just what kind of person does this?
I don't buy much from Japan, eat their food or sell them horses. IMO just can't police the world.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | fatchance - 2014-09-22 9:18 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 7:09 PM My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc...
Then make sure you never put a price on a horse and or put one through a catalog sale. I hope people who are in a syndication/partnership are taking notes....I stand by what I said.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | fatchance - 2014-09-22 7:35 PM
First off I am thrilled that these horses are getting help, so many do not. Also heads up to all of you that sell. ARE you always going to be responsible to said horse till death do it part.....I think not. Most breeders sell hundreds of horses in their life time, not sure they should have their feet held to a fire due to abuse by an idiot. Most sellers want nothing but the best for said animal, but lets face it, once they drive off the property or lot, it's out of your control. Not sure why the paper trail on this very famous horse matters, he just got into the wrong hands, and there is only one person to blame....the OWNER.
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| fatchance - 2014-09-22 9:18 PM
LRQHS - 2014-09-22 7:09 PM My answer to knowing the partners is that knowing who they are gives me knowledge....knowledge of who not to do business with in the future. It's not about the almighty dollar, it's about doing the best with what you have....information, money, education, etc...
Then make sure you never put a price on a horse and or put one through a catalog sale. I hope people who are in a syndication/partnership are taking notes....I stand by what I said.
Yep you are right Fatchance. It all depends on what kind of partnership it is. If it is a general partnership than it could just be the husband and the wife and maybe one or two more. However if it is a limited partnership it could have hundreds of partners. This type of partnership has two classes of partners General and Limited. The general partners controls everything. The limited partners control almost nothing but share in the profits if any. I am sure it will come out in the next few days what type it is. Most syndications are limited partnerships. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I don't see that as an excuse, JB. Do I want to know if you partnered on a horse and didn't keep track of it's well being? You betcha. Does that exclude my horses from your business? I could care less. (I don't mean you...just in general) |
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