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Location: Here | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 11:51 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-04 11:46 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't. This is how mass hysteria gets started. Because I was not assured by the company that where my tc is being manufactured is ionophore-FREE. Was given a runaround answer. If I have a feed available to me that is guaranteed to be safe.. I'm going that route. My horses.. my choice.
I don't blame you I would want a definite answer IT is not mass hysteria It is finally enough and it is time to demand iopophore free mills for our horses |
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| SG. - 2015-02-04 12:37 PM
Bibliafarm - 2015-02-04 11:08 AM this is jasons post...I’m Jason Hartley and I am responsible for Quality Assurance at ADM Alliance Nutrition. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses’ deaths. We’re not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin ) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it’s available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at [email protected]. Jason Hartley has told one of our bbs that feed is safe YET the exact lot number and feed that is testing ""positive """is being sold.. exact bags.. exact lot number. Royal Palm has doen every step correctly for protocal for this and ADM has not recalled and or removed feed that is testing positive and making horses ill.. I loved ADM, I recommended them to everyone so this is very unsettling.negative for ionophores (monensin ) at the detection limits for the test That bothers me! It should be ZERO!  
I look at it this way.. I'm deathly. . And I mean deathly allergic to peanuts anything peanut related. One trace and I'm on my way to the ER with an epi pen sticking out of my leg... I look over ingredients like a detective. . I skip anything that say "MAY CONTAIN TRACES OF PEANUTS. or manufactured on equipment that has been used to make products containing peanuts". I can't take the chance so why take the chance on my horses??? |
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Location: Beggs, OK | IRunOnFaith - 2015-02-04 12:17 PM Anyone know anything about Ametza Bermuda Hay Pellets sold in N.Texas?
Also, Will these toxins harm other animals? For example: I feed my rabbits Purina rabbit chow pellets... Are they made in the same mill as the cattle feed? If so, are they contaminted? Will it hurt animals such as meat rabbits to ingest the toxin?
As far as that goes, is this a "safe" toxin to ingest for humans? For example: If we feed our cattle a feed that has the toxins in it and butcher them for our own consumption, could the toxins make us sick as consumers?
If it is considered a toxin, why add it?
Monensin is a very useful medication for cattle and chickens. All animals have a different tolerance for it though. This article explains things fairly well. Never be afraid to educate yourself! Go do some reading....don't just take my word for it.
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/poisoning-feed-room |
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Location: Beggs, OK | DunIt - 2015-02-04 12:32 PM Does anyone know about Big V feeds out of oklahoma?
Their website shows that they make medicated feeds, but it's possible for them to have a separate facility for horse feed. You should call them and report back! |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2015-02-04 12:17 PM
Anyone know anything about Ametza Bermuda Hay Pellets sold in N.Texas?
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Also, Will these toxins harm other animals? For example: I feed my rabbits Purina rabbit chow pellets... Are they made in the same mill as the cattle feed? If so, are they contaminted? Will it hurt animals such as meat rabbits to ingest the toxin?Â
As far as that goes, is this a "safe" toxin to ingest for humans? For example: If we feed our cattle a feed that has the toxins in it and butcher them for our own consumption, could the toxins make us sick as consumers? Â
If it is considered a toxin, why add it?
Ionophores are not toxins, they are a form of antibiotic. They're fed to cattle because they change the way the bacteria in the rumen ferment feed and increase feed utilization. You won't find it in the meat. As a matter of fact, unless you have only ever eaten 100% organic beef, you have likely eaten beef that was fed ionophores. It's common practice in feedlots, due to the fact that they help the cattle get more out of the feed. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Run n on faith - 2015-02-04 12:01 PM Murphy - 2015-02-04 11:57 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:51 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-02-04 11:46 AM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 8:54 AM My local feed store just started carrying blue bonnet. I'm so happy! I'm returning the 6 bags of triple crown sr I bought last week. Not worth the risk WHy would you return the Triple crown? It has an outstanding reputation and never a single case of this sort in its history. Its kind of like saying your not flying any airlines anymore because ____________ airline has had 3 crashes. SOme companies are responsible and take care of business, others don't. This is how mass hysteria gets started. Because I was not assured by the company that where my tc is being manufactured is ionophore-FREE. Was given a runaround answer. If I have a feed available to me that is guaranteed to be safe.. I'm going that route. My horses.. my choice. Where are you located?
Your tag on your Triple Crown should have MN on it for Meneola. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:19 PM I'm aware of triple crowns stellar reputation, that's what made me want to start feeding it in the first place.. ADM had a stellar rep as well. ... had... I'm not thrilled with finding whole corn nuggets in my ts sr and the bags have been inconsistent. . One will be very VERY moist and the next overly dry and crumbly.
This is what was happening with the TC SR I was getting. I wasn't happy either and was told a story and it still happened. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I love this thread! Learning a lot. Thank you all so much |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I found this interesting.
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/35147/state-of-florida-fines-contaminated-horse-feed-manufacturer
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push.
Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed. |
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Location: Driving, Grooming, or Saddling for a Kid! | Big V in Oklahome is monensin free |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM
babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO Â which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.Â
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push.
Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. Â I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed. Â Â
Exactly right.. all it would take is a new guy or someone not paying enough attention or someone having a bad day and half arse the "cleaning" process. It's the difference between life and death for these horses. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed.
Very sad to say this...But do you really trust the new American worker to do everything to a T? It seems most have a hard enough time getting to work on time.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 2:31 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed. Exactly right.. all it would take is a new guy or someone not paying enough attention or someone having a bad day and half arse the "cleaning" process. It's the difference between life and death for these horses.
And getting a lot of whole corn in a bag of TC SR doesn't give one the warm fuzzies. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2015-02-04 2:45 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed.
While being drug and alcohol free
UGGG I hate this |
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | Nevertooold - 2015-02-04 1:45 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-02-04 2:12 PM babiemox - 2015-02-04 2:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Those processes are only as reliable as the people that are supposed to be following them....That's how trace amounts get into your feed. I'm not convinced that there's a way to know 100% that your feed does not contain ionophores, unless the mill doesn't produce any medicated feed.
Oh I agree! I think it was a way for her to be politically correct for her company. I'm glad that she did admit that the mill did both medicated an nonmedicated.
Also good to see they are being somewhat proactive and switching the mill over to nonmedicated only in the near future. (did say this was already planned before the current news came out) |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I contacted Ametza about the Bermuda Pellets and haven't recieved anything back. Will update if I do.
Checking into the rabbits feed as well for my own personal curiosity just in case.
I had no idea until I saw this thread.
Thank you SG. You're saving people's horses, you really are. |
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Location: East Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-02-04 1:52 PM want2chase3 - 2015-02-04 12:19 PM I'm aware of triple crowns stellar reputation, that's what made me want to start feeding it in the first place.. ADM had a stellar rep as well. ... had... I'm not thrilled with finding whole corn nuggets in my ts sr and the bags have been inconsistent. . One will be very VERY moist and the next overly dry and crumbly. This is what was happening with the TC SR I was getting. I wasn't happy either and was told a story and it still happened.
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | So I just switched to ADM patriot about 5 weeks ago, heard nothing but good things about it, now this happens. UGH!!! So what is everyone feeding? This Renew Gold product, how do you feed it, what else do you feed with it besides good hay. Not comfortable about continuing to feed the ADM, I don't have a lot of choices in my area Need suggestions! |
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