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       Location: Missouri | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-25 10:54 PM
Reckon they'll want to strip the Oscars from GWTW also? Including the one that went to the first black Oscar winner. . . .
Oh. My. Gosh. Is the author of this article JOKING?
It is not a 'myth' that the north and south didn't go to war over slavery....it's history. They didn't. Lincoln's primary objective was to preserve the union (big govt) and the south seceded bc they didn't like all the crap being imposed on them, and were in favor of a smaller national govt and states' rights to handle most everything else (something we obviously don't have today.) Lincoln was a good politician and knew that if he made ending slavery the reason for going to war....few in the North would take up arms. Why? Because there were slave owners there too, albeit not as many. It really bothers me that America as a whole accepts the lie that the civil war was fought primarily over slavery when big govt vs states' rights was the 'big' issue. | |
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             Location: North Texas | MOGirl07 - 2015-06-27 7:23 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-25 10:54 PM
Reckon they'll want to strip the Oscars from GWTW also? Including the one that went to the first black Oscar winner. . . .
Oh. My. Gosh. Is the author of this article JOKING?
It is not a 'myth' that the north and south didn't go to war over slavery....it's history. They didn't. Lincoln's primary objective was to preserve the union (big govt ) and the south seceded bc they didn't like all the crap being imposed on them, and were in favor of a smaller national govt and states' rights to handle most everything else (something we obviously don't have today. ) Lincoln was a good politician and knew that if he made ending slavery the reason for going to war....few in the North would take up arms. Why? Because there were slave owners there too, albeit not as many. It really bothers me that America as a whole accepts the lie that the civil war was fought primarily over slavery when big govt vs states' rights was the 'big' issue.
To the victor goes the spoils of war. Which includes the writing or miswriting for political gain the history........................ | |
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     Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | cruise - 2015-06-26 1:45 PM musikmaker - 2015-06-26 9:24 AM Does anyone know if the Confederate Flag has EVER been flown at half mast? Say...following 911? It is my understanding that since the Confederate Flag was removed from the top of the Capitol Building, where it flew from the same flag pole as the US and SC flags, it has not been flown at half mast. When it was relocated in 2000 the law placing it in its current location was pretty specific about where it and how it was to be flown i.e. 30 feet high, 10 feet from memorial, etc. I think there is actually no way to lower the flag to half staff as there is not a pully system on the flag pole. Before being removed from the top of the Capitol Building in 2000 I think it flew half staff along with the US and SC flags when necessary.
Thank you...I think it's 'telling' that this is an issue at this moment in time. (I had to laugh at my ignorance & my 'sailor' showing with mast vs staff...ha...I knew that!) | |
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             Location: North Texas | This info is pertinent to this thread:
History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.
FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.
The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".
FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH - The South revered slavery.
FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.
FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.
MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.
FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
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       Location: Missouri | foundation horse - 2015-06-27 1:05 PM
This info is pertinent to this thread:
History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.
FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.
The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".
FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH - The South revered slavery.
FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.
FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.
MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.
FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
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       Location: Missouri | foundation horse - 2015-06-27 12:53 PM
MOGirl07 - 2015-06-27 7:23 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-25 10:54 PM
Reckon they'll want to strip the Oscars from GWTW also? Including the one that went to the first black Oscar winner. . . .
Oh. My. Gosh. Is the author of this article JOKING?
It is not a 'myth' that the north and south didn't go to war over slavery....it's history. They didn't. Lincoln's primary objective was to preserve the union (big govt ) and the south seceded bc they didn't like all the crap being imposed on them, and were in favor of a smaller national govt and states' rights to handle most everything else (something we obviously don't have today. ) Lincoln was a good politician and knew that if he made ending slavery the reason for going to war....few in the North would take up arms. Why? Because there were slave owners there too, albeit not as many. It really bothers me that America as a whole accepts the lie that the civil war was fought primarily over slavery when big govt vs states' rights was the 'big' issue.
To the victor goes the spoils of war. Which includes the writing or miswriting for political gain the history........................
You know....I never thought of it that way. Sad, but true. I have to wonder how much different America would look today if the south had won. | |
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| I have done extensive genealogy and though most of my ancestors were from the South, the only ones who owned slaves lived in Connecticut.
The men who fought from the South were volunteers, a very few were conscripted (drafted). Almost all of the men who served from the North were conscripted. It does not matter what the issues were that caused the war, the North would have an army.
As for the people who are wanting to change history,their argument about the flag is totally incorrect. The flag they are protesting, only represented a very small number of Southern soldiers. Google 1st National, 2nd National, and 3rd national flags of the Confederacy. It is easy to see that someone has not been taught correctly or has formed their own opinion. Look up the speech from the black congressman who spoke in favor of adopting the Mississippi state flag.(I can't cut and paste on my tablet). It is a good rĂŞead. You cannot change history. You cannot leave out the parts that you don't like. Our history is what has made us what we are no matter what color our skin is.
One last thing about the Sons of Confederate Veterans, it is an organization that strives to preserve the history of the Civil War. Many of the men are involved in the reenactments but many are not. It is a genealogy and religious organization. I got my husband in it and have helped several others to become members. I am a proud member of United Daughters of the Confederacy which is also a genealogy and religious organization.
As for Gone With the Wind, have any of you seen the movies Next Friday or Friday After Next (I believe those are the names)? Those are the most demeaning movies to the black race that I have ever seen in my life. Blacks seem to think they are pretty funny.
Now we are going to have to change the names of our horses such as Confederate Leader so we do not offend anyone. | |
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      Location: Arkansas | MOGirl07 - 2015-06-27 7:23 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-25 10:54 PM
Reckon they'll want to strip the Oscars from GWTW also? Including the one that went to the first black Oscar winner. . . .
Oh. My. Gosh. Is the author of this article JOKING?
It is not a 'myth' that the north and south didn't go to war over slavery....it's history. They didn't. Lincoln's primary objective was to preserve the union (big govt ) and the south seceded bc they didn't like all the crap being imposed on them, and were in favor of a smaller national govt and states' rights to handle most everything else (something we obviously don't have today. ) Lincoln was a good politician and knew that if he made ending slavery the reason for going to war....few in the North would take up arms. Why? Because there were slave owners there too, albeit not as many. It really bothers me that America as a whole accepts the lie that the civil war was fought primarily over slavery when big govt vs states' rights was the 'big' issue.
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      Location: Arkansas | foundation horse - 2015-06-27 1:05 PM
This info is pertinent to this thread:
History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.
FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.
The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".
FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH - The South revered slavery.
FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.
FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.
MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.
FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
You have taught more truth in this post than most of us learned the whole time in our school careers concerning the Civil War. What an asset to this discussion you are. | |
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      Location: Arkansas | streakysox - 2015-06-27 5:16 PM
I have done extensive genealogy and though most of my ancestors were from the South, the only ones who owned slaves lived in Connecticut.
The men who fought from the South were volunteers, a very few were conscripted (drafted). Almost all of the men who served from the North were conscripted. It does not matter what the issues were that caused the war, the North would have an army.
As for the people who are wanting to change history,their argument about the flag is totally incorrect. The flag they are protesting, only represented a very small number of Southern soldiers. Google 1st National, 2nd National, and 3rd national flags of the Confederacy. It is easy to see that someone has not been taught correctly or has formed their own opinion. Look up the speech from the black congressman who spoke in favor of adopting the Mississippi state flag.(I can't cut and paste on my tablet). It is a good rĂŞead. You cannot change history. You cannot leave out the parts that you don't like. Our history is what has made us what we are no matter what color our skin is.
One last thing about the Sons of Confederate Veterans, it is an organization that strives to preserve the history of the Civil War. Many of the men are involved in the reenactments but many are not. It is a genealogy and religious organization. I got my husband in it and have helped several others to become members. I am a proud member of United Daughters of the Confederacy which is also a genealogy and religious organization.
As for Gone With the Wind, have any of you seen the movies Next Friday or Friday After Next (I believe those are the names)? Those are the most demeaning movies to the black race that I have ever seen in my life. Blacks seem to think they are pretty funny.
Now we are going to have to change the names of our horses such as Confederate Leader so we do not offend anyone.
My son's farm is Rebel Farms. He is a southern boy thru and thru; he is very proud of his HERITAGE not HATRED. He flies a Confederate flag on his ponds. His gf is a barrel racer, and she asked me last night what would happen when she's hauling her horses in a trailer with Rebel Farms on the side? Would someone hurt her horses or her or run over her trailer. . . . I told her at this point I have no answer for that. And that's simply awful to have to tell a young girl she might not be safe because of the stupidity going on right now. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Clay, those are very interesting points, and I appreciate it. Most of these I was aware of, but for a couple.
First, you said that Lincoln had made plans to ship all blacks out of the country. Where can I find this information, because that does surprise me. I've never heard that before.
Second.....who actually started the Civil War? Clearly both sides were preparing for an eventual war, because it was a powder keg ready to blow, but who actually started the war?
Also, do you see anything like the Civil War as a possibility today? I can actually see insurrection and uprisings as a distinct possibility in today's America. A few years ago talk of this sort of thing, along with secession seemed far fetched, but today it doesn't seem far fetched at all. The big difference is the ideological divide can not be neatly divided geographically.
I honestly think we are circling the drain. Even if the GOP sweep the elections in 2016, I have very little faith that the vitally important issues facing us will not be addressed in any substantial way. The GOP, for the most part, is full of hot air.
Most of them will not be willing to commit to taking the bold steps necessary to right the ship.
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             Location: North Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-27 11:07 PM
streakysox - 2015-06-27 5:16 PM
I have done extensive genealogy and though most of my ancestors were from the South, the only ones who owned slaves lived in Connecticut.
The men who fought from the South were volunteers, a very few were conscripted (drafted). Almost all of the men who served from the North were conscripted. It does not matter what the issues were that caused the war, the North would have an army.
As for the people who are wanting to change history,their argument about the flag is totally incorrect. The flag they are protesting, only represented a very small number of Southern soldiers. Google 1st National, 2nd National, and 3rd national flags of the Confederacy. It is easy to see that someone has not been taught correctly or has formed their own opinion. Look up the speech from the black congressman who spoke in favor of adopting the Mississippi state flag.(I can't cut and paste on my tablet). It is a good rĂŞead. You cannot change history. You cannot leave out the parts that you don't like. Our history is what has made us what we are no matter what color our skin is.
One last thing about the Sons of Confederate Veterans, it is an organization that strives to preserve the history of the Civil War. Many of the men are involved in the reenactments but many are not. It is a genealogy and religious organization. I got my husband in it and have helped several others to become members. I am a proud member of United Daughters of the Confederacy which is also a genealogy and religious organization.
As for Gone With the Wind, have any of you seen the movies Next Friday or Friday After Next (I believe those are the names)? Those are the most demeaning movies to the black race that I have ever seen in my life. Blacks seem to think they are pretty funny.
Now we are going to have to change the names of our horses such as Confederate Leader so we do not offend anyone.
My son's farm is Rebel Farms. He is a southern boy thru and thru; he is very proud of his HERITAGE not HATRED. He flies a Confederate flag on his ponds. His gf is a barrel racer, and she asked me last night what would happen when she's hauling her horses in a trailer with Rebel Farms on the side? Would someone hurt her horses or her or run over her trailer. . . . I told her at this point I have no answer for that. And that's simply awful to have to tell a young girl she might not be safe because of the stupidity going on right now.
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      Location: Arkansas | foundation horse - 2015-06-27 11:20 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-27 11:07 PM
streakysox - 2015-06-27 5:16 PM
I have done extensive genealogy and though most of my ancestors were from the South, the only ones who owned slaves lived in Connecticut.
The men who fought from the South were volunteers, a very few were conscripted (drafted). Almost all of the men who served from the North were conscripted. It does not matter what the issues were that caused the war, the North would have an army.
As for the people who are wanting to change history,their argument about the flag is totally incorrect. The flag they are protesting, only represented a very small number of Southern soldiers. Google 1st National, 2nd National, and 3rd national flags of the Confederacy. It is easy to see that someone has not been taught correctly or has formed their own opinion. Look up the speech from the black congressman who spoke in favor of adopting the Mississippi state flag.(I can't cut and paste on my tablet). It is a good rĂŞead. You cannot change history. You cannot leave out the parts that you don't like. Our history is what has made us what we are no matter what color our skin is.
One last thing about the Sons of Confederate Veterans, it is an organization that strives to preserve the history of the Civil War. Many of the men are involved in the reenactments but many are not. It is a genealogy and religious organization. I got my husband in it and have helped several others to become members. I am a proud member of United Daughters of the Confederacy which is also a genealogy and religious organization.
As for Gone With the Wind, have any of you seen the movies Next Friday or Friday After Next (I believe those are the names)? Those are the most demeaning movies to the black race that I have ever seen in my life. Blacks seem to think they are pretty funny.
Now we are going to have to change the names of our horses such as Confederate Leader so we do not offend anyone.
My son's farm is Rebel Farms. He is a southern boy thru and thru; he is very proud of his HERITAGE not HATRED. He flies a Confederate flag on his ponds. His gf is a barrel racer, and she asked me last night what would happen when she's hauling her horses in a trailer with Rebel Farms on the side? Would someone hurt her horses or her or run over her trailer. . . . I told her at this point I have no answer for that. And that's simply awful to have to tell a young girl she might not be safe because of the stupidity going on right now.
Suggest going armed and be prepared to defend herself and her horses.
Trust me when I say she could handle the "being armed" part!! Laura would protect her horses to the end. And Lord help them if he's hauling with her. . . I sent your "myth and fact" post to Chandler. He said "she sure knows her stuff"!! As I posted before, he knew more on this----the truth----than I did. He had already told me several of the things you listed that I was totally wrong on. | |
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       Location: Missouri | Bear - 2015-06-27 11:18 PM
Clay, those are very interesting points, and I appreciate it. Most of these I was aware of, but for a couple.
First, you said that Lincoln had made plans to ship all blacks out of the country. Where can I find this information, because that does surprise me. I've never heard that before.
Second.....who actually started the Civil War? Clearly both sides were preparing for an eventual war, because it was a powder keg ready to blow, but who actually started the war?
Also, do you see anything like the Civil War as a possibility today? I can actually see insurrection and uprisings as a distinct possibility in today's America. A few years ago talk of this sort of thing, along with secession seemed far fetched, but today it doesn't seem far fetched at all. The big difference is the ideological divide can not be neatly divided geographically.
I honestly think we are circling the drain. Even if the GOP sweep the elections in 2016, I have very little faith that the vitally important issues facing us will not be addressed in any substantial way. The GOP, for the most part, is full of hot air.
Most of them will not be willing to commit to taking the bold steps necessary to right the ship.
What would happen if Texas secceeded from the Union? Is that even a real possibility?
These are all really good questions.
Pertaining to the civil unrest in the US....has anyone heard of Jade Helm (going on this summer)? I just saw something on Fb about it and it make my mouth drop. But I've yet to find anything on it from a credible news site... | |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | The war started at Ft Sumpter in SC, right? I don't remember who fired the first shots tho. | |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-28 12:02 AM foundation horse - 2015-06-27 11:20 PM Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-27 11:07 PM streakysox - 2015-06-27 5:16 PM I have done extensive genealogy and though most of my ancestors were from the South, the only ones who owned slaves lived in Connecticut. The men who fought from the South were volunteers, a very few were conscripted (drafted). Almost all of the men who served from the North were conscripted. It does not matter what the issues were that caused the war, the North would have an army. As for the people who are wanting to change history,their argument about the flag is totally incorrect. The flag they are protesting, only represented a very small number of Southern soldiers. Google 1st National, 2nd National, and 3rd national flags of the Confederacy. It is easy to see that someone has not been taught correctly or has formed their own opinion. Look up the speech from the black congressman who spoke in favor of adopting the Mississippi state flag.(I can't cut and paste on my tablet). It is a good rêead. You cannot change history. You cannot leave out the parts that you don't like. Our history is what has made us what we are no matter what color our skin is. One last thing about the Sons of Confederate Veterans, it is an organization that strives to preserve the history of the Civil War. Many of the men are involved in the reenactments but many are not. It is a genealogy and religious organization. I got my husband in it and have helped several others to become members. I am a proud member of United Daughters of the Confederacy which is also a genealogy and religious organization. As for Gone With the Wind, have any of you seen the movies Next Friday or Friday After Next (I believe those are the names)? Those are the most demeaning movies to the black race that I have ever seen in my life. Blacks seem to think they are pretty funny. Now we are going to have to change the names of our horses such as Confederate Leader so we do not offend anyone. My son's farm is Rebel Farms. He is a southern boy thru and thru; he is very proud of his HERITAGE not HATRED. He flies a Confederate flag on his ponds. His gf is a barrel racer, and she asked me last night what would happen when she's hauling her horses in a trailer with Rebel Farms on the side? Would someone hurt her horses or her or run over her trailer. . . . I told her at this point I have no answer for that. And that's simply awful to have to tell a young girl she might not be safe because of the stupidity going on right now. Suggest going armed and be prepared to defend herself and her horses. Trust me when I say she could handle the "being armed" part!! Laura would protect her horses to the end. And Lord help them if he's hauling with her. . . I sent your "myth and fact" post to Chandler. He said "she sure knows her stuff"!! As I posted before, he knew more on this----the truth----than I did. He had already told me several of the things you listed that I was totally wrong on.
I'm picturing hauling that trailer through Crime Bluff, and it ain't pretty. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | I've had a chance to read up more since last night on Lincoln's plans to ship Blacks out of the U.S. it does sound like he thought very seriously to ship at least some of the freed slaves out to Caribbean islands so they could continue work on plantations there and he also thought it was a good idea to ship blacks back to Africa....to Liberia, to be exact. I thought he wanted to allow them to return to their homelands, but it turns out he did not think blacks and whites could live together peaceably, especially in the aftermath of the war. Obviously, he had to know that he wouldn't be able to forcibly deport all 2 million blacks.
The Emancipation Proclamation really didn't free many slaves at all, because when it was issued, the CSA was already formed. It was more symbolic than anything.
Border states that were slave states, but loyal to the Union, were essentially granted exemptions, in fact. It wasn't until the passage of the 13th amendment that slaves were actually free.
How all of this is relevant to today is that, at the time, slavery was protected by the constitution. The south saw Lincoln as a tyrant who posed a threat to their soverignty. Northerners looked down their noses on the agrarian south even though they benefitted hugely from the byproducts of slavery.
The real pertinent question is whether we could ever see anything like the Civil War today. Will our great great grandchildren look back on this era as the birth of a new nation, vastly different from the one we are living in today? Will Obama's obvious goal of creating divisions and chaos lead to a United Socialist States of America, or will there be two nations, one completely socialist, and the other adhering to the freedoms espoused by our founding fathers? USA vs. USSA?
One thing I do thing for sure is something huge is looming over the horizon. | |
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Proud Daughter of the Confederacy and always will be.
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     Location: In a happy place | foundation horse - 2015-06-27 1:05 PM This info is pertinent to this thread: History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies. MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery. FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion. MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves. FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression. Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865. U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days." Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies! Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901! MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships. FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation. BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious. These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South. This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media. MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation. FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war. The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag. The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce. The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy. The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy. MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars". FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross". MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today. FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels. MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom. FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy. MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator. FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination. MYTH - The South revered slavery. FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now. MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners. FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war. MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks. FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South. Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South. MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups. FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE. MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group. FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
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