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Oija and Flitastic, here is the exact event I am referring that The SCOTUS Decision has led up to. Still believe in Separation of Church and State?!
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/millionaire-gay-couple-suing-forc...
Millionaire gay couple is suing to force a church to hold their wedding
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DANBURY, U.K.–A wealthy gay couple has decided to launch a lawsuit to force their church to perform their wedding. “We’ve launched a challenge to the government’s decision to allow some religious groups to opt out of marrying same-sex couples.”Both attend St. John the Baptist church, a branch of the Church of England, and have been in a civil partnership since 2006.
Barrie Drewitt-Barlow said that he and his partner Tony, “feel we have the right as parishioners in our village to utilize the church we attend to get married.
“It is no reflection on our local church, who have been nothing but supportive towards us. We understand their hands are tied by a higher group of people within the church.”
This reaffirms statements that Drewitt-Barlow made earlier this month, stating going to court was, “the only way forward.”“It is a shame that we are forced to take Christians into a court to get them to recognize us.
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-06-30 10:00 AM I sure do!!! Doesn't mean it always happens correctly but yes... That couple is in Danbury UK.
Here's an interesting bit of irony. Jefferson's famous phrase, "wall of separation", appeared in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association assuring them of their natural right to free exercise of religion. | |
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TxBronc - 2015-07-01 1:02 AM RidenFly - 2015-06-29 10:32 AM Normally, I believe very heavily in State rights. Especially after witnessing what Arizona has gone through. However, this is just something that was long overdue. The argument over marriage has gone on too long and has muddied the dialogue and detoured us when we should be discussing more important issues. I'm a conservative saying this. The Federal Government is already in the marriage business and this is no different. There is no where in our founding documents that outline marriage and in refrencing the Bill of Rights, all men are equal and should be afforded the same liberties under law. If it considered a sin with Christians then that is where separation of church and state come into play. There was once a time we could not interracial marriage, women couldn't vote, etc etc... sometimes things need to change as the population changes. Thank god the Fed. stepped in on those issues. Gay marriage doesn't affect you personally, so I don't see why it cannot pass. There are no solid reasons. Let's take Arizona and the immigration problem for example, that affects everyone and that definitely should be left to the citizens dealing with this issue. The pedophile argument is ridiculous. No judge, party or individual is ever going to allow children to become victims of the depraved. That is a scare tactic that is shameful to suggest. Those whackos can try all they want to pass this into law and it won't ever happen. Ever. Your not a conservative. You may believe in some conservative ideals. But from your statement your not a true conservative.
I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, Riden. You can have solid conservative values and principles and disagree with rank and file fellow conservatives. Just because you exercise independent thought that is considered to be "off the reservation" by others doesn't make you a "non-conservative". Besides, who has the right to determine your personal ideology? Part of the problem today is we have these labels and if we declare ourselves as belonging to a given "group", some expect us to be pigeonholed into marching in lockstep behind them....agreeing on everything. Among other things, Conservatism is about independent thought, freedom, and liberty. I say let the Democrats pigeonhole themselves. Marching in lockstep in support of a platform or decree is what they do, like lemmings. You rarely see liberal Democrats at odds with one another, with the possible exception of primary season. | |
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FLITASTIC - 2015-06-30 10:00 AMÂ I sure do!!! Doesn't mean it always happens correctly but yes... That couple is in Danbury UK.
Here's an interesting bit of irony. Jefferson's famous phrase, "wall of separation", appeared in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association assuring them of their natural right to free exercise of religion.Â
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 9:43 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 9:04 AM Welcome to Independents R Us. You can't put us in a box because we insist on thinking for ourselves. ...and we can never find a candidate we agree with on all points
Nope. That could only happen in a group of sheeple. You have to prioritize the issues and go from there. I'm happily married, but my husband and I have to agree to disagree on some issues because we are independent souls with brains. It's fun debating with him tho when he will actually engage me. I drive up his blood pressure, he says. Hahaha | |
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Location: Midwest | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 10:33 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 9:43 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 9:04 AM Welcome to Independents R Us. You can't put us in a box because we insist on thinking for ourselves. ...and we can never find a candidate we agree with on all points
There are plenty who love everything Obama does and others who loved everything W did.
Sheeple know no political party!
I argue with my husband all the time... he's always like "I'm too tired to debate you on this."LOL | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 10:48 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 10:33 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 9:43 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 9:04 AM Â Welcome to Independents R Us. Â You can't put us in a box because we insist on thinking for ourselves. Â ...and we can never find a candidate we agree with on all points
Sheeple know no political party!
I argue with my husband all the time... he's always like "I'm too tired to debate you on this."LOLÂ
I actually sort of disagree on this, Alison. The Democrat sheeple basically follow the party line on almost all issues. Those "sheeple" simply are in favor of whatever the party bigwigs decide. Democrat politicians seldom break away from the party position. This is why you never see a conservative Democrat in congress anymore. Oh there may be an occasional rebel or even a squabble here and there, but when all is said and done, they behave like good little liberal Democrats and line up behind the liberal agenda. Good examples of this were seen in the ObamaCare votes by Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu.
In the GOP, there is a pretty wide mix of liberals, conservatives, libertarians, and everything in between. While that is the Achilles heel of the Republican Party, it also shows that, contrary to popular belief, it's the GOP that really does have a big tent.....not the Democrats. Any Democrat who openly espouses any significant trend toward conservatism is branded a rogue and turned away from the herd. | |
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Location: Ky | Bear - 2015-06-30 11:46 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 10:48 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 10:33 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 9:43 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 9:04 AM Welcome to Independents R Us. You can't put us in a box because we insist on thinking for ourselves. ...and we can never find a candidate we agree with on all points
Sheeple know no political party!
I argue with my husband all the time... he's always like "I'm too tired to debate you on this."LOL I actually sort of disagree on this, Alison. The Democrat sheeple basically follow the party line on almost all issues. Those "sheeple" simply are in favor of whatever the party bigwigs decide. Democrat politicians seldom break away from the party position. This is why you never see a conservative Democrat in congress anymore. Oh there may be an occasional rebel or even a squabble here and there, but when all is said and done, they behave like good little liberal Democrats and line up behind the liberal agenda. Good examples of this were seen in the ObamaCare votes by Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu. In the GOP, there is a pretty wide mix of liberals, conservatives, libertarians, and everything in between. While that is the Achilles heel of the Republican Party, it also shows that, contrary to popular belief, it's the GOP that really does have a big tent.....not the Democrats. Any Democrat who openly espouses any significant trend toward conservatism is branded a rogue and turned away from the herd.
Hahaha!! That is so funny!!
The GOP can't govern because they have no foundation, no soul, no heart. hey are simply money chases. They claim they want freedom. Baloney!! They want freedom to tell others what to do.
The democrat party is about working men and women. That is the foundation, soul and heart. They always have a center to fall back on since it's the bedrock of the party. Yes many stray from the core but that doesn't damage the core. The republican part has no core belief. Sound bits and money grabbing is a core, I suppose? | |
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| jd&ez - 2015-06-30 9:02 PM Bear - 2015-06-30 11:46 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 10:48 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 10:33 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 9:43 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 9:04 AM Welcome to Independents R Us. You can't put us in a box because we insist on thinking for ourselves. ...and we can never find a candidate we agree with on all points
Sheeple know no political party!
I argue with my husband all the time... he's always like "I'm too tired to debate you on this."LOL I actually sort of disagree on this, Alison. The Democrat sheeple basically follow the party line on almost all issues. Those "sheeple" simply are in favor of whatever the party bigwigs decide. Democrat politicians seldom break away from the party position. This is why you never see a conservative Democrat in congress anymore. Oh there may be an occasional rebel or even a squabble here and there, but when all is said and done, they behave like good little liberal Democrats and line up behind the liberal agenda. Good examples of this were seen in the ObamaCare votes by Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu. In the GOP, there is a pretty wide mix of liberals, conservatives, libertarians, and everything in between. While that is the Achilles heel of the Republican Party, it also shows that, contrary to popular belief, it's the GOP that really does have a big tent.....not the Democrats. Any Democrat who openly espouses any significant trend toward conservatism is branded a rogue and turned away from the herd.
The GOP can't govern because they have no foundation, no soul, no heart. hey are simply money chases. They claim they want freedom. Baloney!! They want freedom to tell others what to do.
The democrat party is about the welfare men and women. That is the foundation, soul and heart. They always have a center to fall back on since it's the bedrock of the party. Yes many stray from the core but that doesn't damage the core. The republican part has no core belief. Sound bits and money grabbing is a core, I suppose?
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Location: Armuchee, GA, NW section of Ga | Well after reading all 8 pages of everyone offering opinions regarding this, I've yet to hear of someone who admitting they are gay or their family members are gay and how they feel about this now legal order from the SC. So let me start off the conversation as a Christian mother of a gay child. When I say child, she is 35 years old, professional, well educated & well beyond the age of needing me or anyone else's approval over her personal life. Sure I will admit that I wish things were different, and I only say that because I wish she didn't have to hide her true feelings or the heart ache that comes along with her having to suffer thru stupid comments made over the years, such as...you know you Are going to Hell...How can you do this to the family...can't you go into therapy and change being gay?..... All these comments were made by family members, yes good ole long time Christian Southern Baptists. Has anyone ever wanted the best for your kids? Well I do too. I want her to be happy. I want her to have someone to love. And I want her to have the option to marry too, to live her life as she chooses with whomever, no matter the sex of that person. Who are we to make personal decisions or choices for some one else? Oh we say we do make the choices because we love them, but let them make their own. I am proud that now because of the Supreme Court ruling she can, and I'll be dammed if someone takes that choice away from her. So now, I'll step off the soap box and let someone else up if they will. | |
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Well after reading all 8 pages of everyone offering opinions regarding this, I've yet to hear of someone who admitting they are gay or their family members are gay and how they feel about this now legal order from the SC. So let me start off the conversation as a Christian mother of a gay child. When I say child, she is 35 years old, professional, well educated & well beyond the age of needing me or anyone else's approval over her personal life. Sure I will admit that I wish things were different, and I only say that because I wish she didn't have to hide her true feelings or the heart ache that comes along with her having to suffer thru stupid comments made over the years, such as...you know you Are going to Hell...How can you do this to the family...can't you go into therapy and change being gay?..... All these comments were made by family members, yes good ole long time Christian Southern Baptists. Has anyone ever wanted the best for your kids? Well I do too. I want her to be happy. I want her to have someone to love. And I want her to have the option to marry too, to live her life as she chooses with whomever, no matter the sex of that person. Who are we to make personal decisions or choices for some one else? Oh we say we do make the choices because we love them, but let them make their own. I am proud that now because of the Supreme Court ruling she can, and I'll be dammed if someone takes that choice away from her. So now, I'll step off the soap box and let someone else up if they will.
I think it's admirable how you are loving and supportive of your daughter. I don't think someone has to have a gay relative to empathize with what you have been through. Hopefully you observed that plenty of people have posted in support of gay rights on this thread. Some are supportive of gay rights, but not supportive of how the Supreme Court ruled in this instance. I can certainly see where many find this to be disturbing. My personal view is that I'm glad to see it settled. Oh, the debates will continue, and there will be some aftershocks, but for all intents and purposes I think the matter is settled. Besides, there has been a huge shift in public opinion on this matter, so it was inevitable anyway, no matter what anyone says. You can say what you want about unreliable polls, but if you look at them all, you can see that public support of gay marriage has doubled over 20 years, from roughly 30% to 60%, while opposition to it has been cut in half over that span. The numbers of states legalizing gay marriage has risen steadily. I'm confident even Texas would have legalized gay marriage eventually. It might have taken 10 years, but it would have happened. It's easy for us heterosexual sinners to selectively single out the "gay sin", if indeed you are of the belief that it is a "sin". | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2015-06-30 9:02 PM
Bear - 2015-06-30 11:46 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 10:48 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 10:33 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-06-30 9:43 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-30 9:04 AM Â Welcome to Independents R Us. Â You can't put us in a box because we insist on thinking for ourselves. Â ...and we can never find a candidate we agree with on all points
Sheeple know no political party!
I argue with my husband all the time... he's always like "I'm too tired to debate you on this."LOLÂ I actually sort of disagree on this, Alison. The Democrat sheeple basically follow the party line on almost all issues. Those "sheeple" simply are in favor of whatever the party bigwigs decide. Democrat politicians seldom break away from the party position. This is why you never see a conservative Democrat in congress anymore. Oh there may be an occasional rebel or even a squabble here and there, but when all is said and done, they behave like good little liberal Democrats and line up behind the liberal agenda. Good examples of this were seen in the ObamaCare votes by Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu. In the GOP, there is a pretty wide mix of liberals, conservatives, libertarians, and everything in between. While that is the Achilles heel of the Republican Party, it also shows that, contrary to popular belief, it's the GOP that really does have a big tent.....not the Democrats. Any Democrat who openly espouses any significant trend toward conservatism is branded a rogue and turned away from the herd. The GOP can't govern because they have no foundation, no soul, no heart. hey are simply money chases. They claim they want freedom. Baloney!! They want freedom to tell others what to do. The democrat party is about working men and women. That is the foundation, soul and heart. They always have a center to fall back on since it's the bedrock of the party. Yes many stray from the core but that doesn't damage the core. The republican part has no core belief. Sound bits and money grabbing is a core, I suppose? Â
And you are an excellent example....a self-described "yellow dog" Democrat, meaning you will always vote for a Democrat, regardless of qualifications, issues, accomplishments, etc.... You've said it before. Not once have you ever openly voiced criticism of a fellow Democrat.
Here is a glaring example of your own liberal hypocrisy: Hillary Clinton and her remarks about how destitute they were when Billary left the White House and they had houses (pleural) to buy, etc.... Fast forward 15 years and $150 million...voila!
And you have the audacity to say Republicans are "money grubbing"? Hello foot...meet mouth! I couldn't have even made up a more glaring example of hypocrisy. Thank you for your excellent illustration. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | janjan1 - 2015-06-30 10:38 PM Well after reading all 8 pages of everyone offering opinions regarding this, I've yet to hear of someone who admitting they are gay or their family members are gay and how they feel about this now legal order from the SC. So let me start off the conversation as a Christian mother of a gay child. When I say child, she is 35 years old, professional, well educated & well beyond the age of needing me or anyone else's approval over her personal life. Sure I will admit that I wish things were different, and I only say that because I wish she didn't have to hide her true feelings or the heart ache that comes along with her having to suffer thru stupid comments made over the years, such as...you know you Are going to Hell...How can you do this to the family...can't you go into therapy and change being gay?..... All these comments were made by family members, yes good ole long time Christian Southern Baptists. Has anyone ever wanted the best for your kids? Well I do too. I want her to be happy. I want her to have someone to love. And I want her to have the option to marry too, to live her life as she chooses with whomever, no matter the sex of that person. Who are we to make personal decisions or choices for some one else? Oh we say we do make the choices because we love them, but let them make their own. I am proud that now because of the Supreme Court ruling she can, and I'll be dammed if someone takes that choice away from her. So now, I'll step off the soap box and let someone else up if they will.
Welcome to my world. While there are a lot of really nice people on here, be prepared to receive a lot of PM's from "well meaning" Christians on here to tell you that your daughter (in my case son) was going to burn in hell., etc., etc.  That you must have raised her some "strange" way, that you yourself are "screwed" in the head. Yes, folks, BHW is full of them. Â
Carry on - my rant is over.
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janjan1 - 2015-06-30 10:38 PM Well after reading all 8 pages of everyone offering opinions regarding this, I've yet to hear of someone who admitting they are gay or their family members are gay and how they feel about this now legal order from the SC. So let me start off the conversation as a Christian mother of a gay child. When I say child, she is 35 years old, professional, well educated & well beyond the age of needing me or anyone else's approval over her personal life. Sure I will admit that I wish things were different, and I only say that because I wish she didn't have to hide her true feelings or the heart ache that comes along with her having to suffer thru stupid comments made over the years, such as...you know you Are going to Hell...How can you do this to the family...can't you go into therapy and change being gay?..... All these comments were made by family members, yes good ole long time Christian Southern Baptists. Has anyone ever wanted the best for your kids? Well I do too. I want her to be happy. I want her to have someone to love. And I want her to have the option to marry too, to live her life as she chooses with whomever, no matter the sex of that person. Who are we to make personal decisions or choices for some one else? Oh we say we do make the choices because we love them, but let them make their own. I am proud that now because of the Supreme Court ruling she can, and I'll be dammed if someone takes that choice away from her. So now, I'll step off the soap box and let someone else up if they will.
Welcome to my world. While there are a lot of really nice people on here, be prepared to receive a lot of PM's from "well meaning" Christians on here to tell you that your daughter (in my case son) was going to burn in hell., etc., etc.  That you must have raised her some "strange" way, that you yourself are "screwed" in the head. Yes, folks, BHW is full of them. Â
Carry on - my rant is over.Â
Thank you both for your support. As a gay member of this board, I generally try to stay out of these discussions, as it generally doesn't get me anywhere. While I generally receive supportive PMs anytime I identify, more often than not I receive ugly ones. No skin off my nose though, I'm not looking for acceptance from my peers. I never try to shove my opinion down anyone's throat, but it seems others are intent on doing that to anyone they don't agree with. Personally, I'm thankful for the ruling, as my daughter was just born in April and now my wife and I have equal rights to her, without having to go through a very expensive 2nd parent adoption (which includes a home study and all). Anyhow, just wanted to say thank you for the support | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | janjan1 - 2015-06-30 8:38 PM Well after reading all 8 pages of everyone offering opinions regarding this, I've yet to hear of someone who admitting they are gay or their family members are gay and how they feel about this now legal order from the SC. So let me start off the conversation as a Christian mother of a gay child. When I say child, she is 35 years old, professional, well educated & well beyond the age of needing me or anyone else's approval over her personal life. Sure I will admit that I wish things were different, and I only say that because I wish she didn't have to hide her true feelings or the heart ache that comes along with her having to suffer thru stupid comments made over the years, such as...you know you Are going to Hell...How can you do this to the family...can't you go into therapy and change being gay?..... All these comments were made by family members, yes good ole long time Christian Southern Baptists. Has anyone ever wanted the best for your kids? Well I do too. I want her to be happy. I want her to have someone to love. And I want her to have the option to marry too, to live her life as she chooses with whomever, no matter the sex of that person. Who are we to make personal decisions or choices for some one else? Oh we say we do make the choices because we love them, but let them make their own. I am proud that now because of the Supreme Court ruling she can, and I'll be dammed if someone takes that choice away from her. So now, I'll step off the soap box and let someone else up if they will.
Most of the time I try to be 'objective' when it comes politics...I think we'd all be better off if we considered the entire picture, not just how it affects us personally. With that being said, last Friday was the day my brothers grandchildren went before a judge in California to see if their aunt and her wife could gain guardianship of them. Some may remember my niece who died of cancer 2 1/2 yrs ago...she left 2 little kids behind and her husbands new girlfriend despises them so he asked his sister to take them...they now have 2 mommies! And one is black...could it get any more interesting? My family fully supports these wonderful ladies raising these children...it is the best place for them. They are happy. Loved. Have opportunities they wouldn't have anywhere else. And before anyone wonders why my brother doesn't take them...sometimes we must look beyond our own ego and simply do the best for those we love.
Do I support same-sex marriage? Yes. I just don't support judicial activism. And I certainly don't support the idea that marriage is a 'legal/government institution'.
I'm sorry that the world is so cold and judgmental...it is what it is. We're here to 'grow' and those that can't have no real purpose except as an example of what not to be.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't like judicial activism either, but in this case, I think the court's ruling just helped to accelerate the inevitable. There will be aftershocks of one form or another, but for all intents and purposes, this matter is well on it's way to the ash heap of history, along with segregation, Naziism, the KKK, the struggle for women's suffrage, and other manifestations of bigotry.
I don't think any church ought to be forced to have gay marriages, but I leave that up to gay people to work through this as it evolves.
I keep hearing rumblings that this acceptance of the so-called "gay sin" will somehow catalyze the ultimate doom and destruction of this republic....that by accepting these so-called "sinners" we are rejecting God. Personally, I don't think so. Being gay is not some contagious illness or vice. If there is somehow a "jump" in the percentage of gay people among us, I think it will merely be a manifestation of the shackles being released from a good many tortured souls who heretofore been compelled to live in a secret prison. Homosexuality has been with mankind since our inception, just like lying, cheating, stealing, coveting, and adultery.
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I don't like judicial activism either, but in this case, I think the court's ruling just helped to accelerate the inevitable. There will be aftershocks of one form or another, but for all intents and purposes, this matter is well on it's way to the ash heap of history, along with segregation, Naziism, the KKK, the struggle for women's suffrage, and other manifestations of bigotry.
I don't think any church ought to be forced to have gay marriages, but I leave that up to gay people to work through this as it evolves.
I keep hearing rumblings that this acceptance of the so-called "gay sin" will somehow catalyze the ultimate doom and destruction of this republic....that by accepting these so-called "sinners" we are rejecting God. Personally, I don't think so. Being gay is not some contagious illness or vice. If there is somehow a "jump" in the percentage of gay people among us, I think it will merely be a manifestation of the shackles being released from a good many tortured souls who heretofore been compelled to live in a secret prison. Homosexuality has been with mankind since our inception, just like lying, cheating, stealing, coveting, and adultery.
Hopefully, now the politicians have one less diversion away from more pressing, critical matters that can be improved upon.
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janjan1 - 2015-06-30 10:38 PM Well after reading all 8 pages of everyone offering opinions regarding this, I've yet to hear of someone who admitting they are gay or their family members are gay and how they feel about this now legal order from the SC. So let me start off the conversation as a Christian mother of a gay child. When I say child, she is 35 years old, professional, well educated & well beyond the age of needing me or anyone else's approval over her personal life. Sure I will admit that I wish things were different, and I only say that because I wish she didn't have to hide her true feelings or the heart ache that comes along with her having to suffer thru stupid comments made over the years, such as...you know you Are going to Hell...How can you do this to the family...can't you go into therapy and change being gay?..... All these comments were made by family members, yes good ole long time Christian Southern Baptists. Has anyone ever wanted the best for your kids? Well I do too. I want her to be happy. I want her to have someone to love. And I want her to have the option to marry too, to live her life as she chooses with whomever, no matter the sex of that person. Who are we to make personal decisions or choices for some one else? Oh we say we do make the choices because we love them, but let them make their own. I am proud that now because of the Supreme Court ruling she can, and I'll be dammed if someone takes that choice away from her. So now, I'll step off the soap box and let someone else up if they will.
Welcome to my world. While there are a lot of really nice people on here, be prepared to receive a lot of PM's from "well meaning" Christians on here to tell you that your daughter (in my case son) was going to burn in hell., etc., etc.  That you must have raised her some "strange" way, that you yourself are "screwed" in the head. Yes, folks, BHW is full of them. Â
Carry on - my rant is over. Thank you both for your support. As a gay member of this board, I generally try to stay out of these discussions, as it generally doesn't get me anywhere. While I generally receive supportive PMs anytime I identify, more often than not I receive ugly ones. No skin off my nose though, I'm not looking for acceptance from my peers. I never try to shove my opinion down anyone's throat, but it seems others are intent on doing that to anyone they don't agree with. Personally, I'm thankful for the ruling, as my daughter was just born in April and now my wife and I have equal rights to her, without having to go through a very expensive 2nd parent adoption (which includes a home study and all ). Anyhow, just wanted to say thank you for the support
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