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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
I sure don't! When Obamascrewme insurance came into play we went from $300.00 a month with a $250.00 deductible to over $900.00 a month with a $5,000.00 deductible. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I knew this was behind her hatred of Walker. Her Ox was gored.
Now her health insurance requires a small personal contribution, when in the private sector this would be one of the best benefits around. This is exactly how government enslaves people. Walker had to make tough choices, given the defecit he inherited. Yes, he ran it like a business. He had to be the heavy. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
This makes no sense since my Dad had VA insurance until the day he died a few years back and he was in his 90's. A friend of ours was in Viet Nam and he always had health insurance through them until the day he died, which was a few years back and he was in his early 60's. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | State and Federal governments got themselves into financial problems from giving all this "free" benefits to government workers. No different with the auto workers. Unions were great getting higher wages and giving benefits away but never figured out when all these people would start retiring that there would be enough money to pay for it. My husband paid into a private pension and they are doing good so the state of Illinois tried to change the Illinois Constitution so they could go in and steal their pension money to pay the government pensions. Socialism and Unions doing what they do best. Steal from others. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevertooold - 2015-07-22 6:27 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
^^^^ THIS.....my father, brothers, uncles and husband have all had free health care through the VA | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Nevertooold - 2015-07-22 6:27 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Well dad is about to turn 93. He backed his SUV off a mountain side a few years ago and he had to pay for everything. However, the chopper company that flew him out found out he was a vet and forgave their bill. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | .....and I think the vets could get better care, for less money, than what the VA provides. The VA provides marginal care in some cases, and good care in others. Many, if not most, vets get only routine maintenence care at the VA.
The minute something big pops up, most vets prefer to seek out care in the private sector, if they have private insurance, or can pay out of pocket.
Last I checked, they had a $55 Billion budget for healthcare alone. If a vet goes to the VA for a rash, or a bottle of aspirin, the Feds count him as a recipient of VA benefits.....a grossly misleading distortion. They do this to get grossly exaggerated numbers. Then we have these recent scandals that rocked the VA bureaucracy.
I think they could serve vets better by giving them a stipend with which they can purchase their own, or provide them with the same insurance congress has. JMO | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? | |
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Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey?
You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1) reason I don't trust the government anymore. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
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komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
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Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Ok I will bite. How did your father's VA. health care get taken away?
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Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey?
You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
So if it's a contract, why haven't they been successfully sued for breach of contract?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
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Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Ok I will bite. How did your father's VA. health care get taken away?
I don't remember which administration it was, but I want to say it was Clinton's... Decided to modify the old agreements. All I know was all of a sudden he had to start paying for CHAMPUS he was promised as free and it still doesn't cover him for everything it used to. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-07-22 7:37 PM
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komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey?
You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
So if it's a contract, why haven't they been successfully sued for breach of contract?
By the way, I don't trust the government either. Do you receive any government benefits?
I have not since I reached the age of 18... Till that point I got free medical. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-07-22 7:57 PM jbhoot - 2015-07-22 7:34 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Ok I will bite. How did your father's VA. health care get taken away? I don't remember which administration it was, but I want to say it was Clinton's... Decided to modify the old agreements. All I know was all of a sudden he had to start paying for CHAMPUS he was promised as free and it still doesn't cover him for everything it used to.
I still don't understand....CHAMPUS administers health care to CIVILIANS (federal empolyeees, etc) and spouses (& Children) of military personnel. YOU would have been covered by it but certainly NOT your father if he was a member of the military....... | |
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