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| RidenFly - 2015-11-16 9:57 AM
State by state governors are declaring they will not accept refugees. I can't help but think of my own state of Arizona whom tried and failed to plea with the Federal Goverment over protecting it's border from illegal immigrants. This is going to become a show down between what the Feds want and the State's right to protect itself. This presidency cannot end soon enough. Again, the courts are going to be busy. Â
Governor Abbot just posted that Texas will not take in any refugees, although, I thought I heard some were already in San Antonio. Michigan and Alabama have already refused to take any in.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Supposedly these people are leaving Syria to escape ISIS. Maybe this makes too much sense, but it seems to me it would be so much easier to "clear out" that country so they don't have to leave. I think this is a good excuse for a lot of them to simply take the express lane to another country that promises a better life.....including freebies. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Gail - 2015-11-16 10:53 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee? Good question.
I just listed in disbelief as Obama addressed the issues of terror. He used the word "I" more than the words "us" meaning the citizens of the United States. He doesn't even know the proper nomenclature of the use of the word Special Forces. For the record Special Forces are Green Beret troops only. What he is should of said was Special Operations. And trust me...if you are a Special Operator or the family of one you pick up on it.
The frustration and complete lack of confidence I have in the President to keep my sons and our country safe is indescribable. I don't want tosee the United States part of a civil war but at least untie the hands of the Special Operators already in the Middle East so they can do their jobs. And that is coming directly from the Special Operators in Iraq begging to do their jobs. Not my words..theirs.
Unfortuantely, this has been going on before nobama. I have friends who were in Special Ops before him. They also were told to do nothing. If they have been given the go ahead way before him, a lot of this would not be happening now.
And, I cannot believe I just stood up for the biggest piece of crap President i personally think we have ever had, but it is true. |
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Location: Kansas | Gail - 2015-11-16 9:53 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee? Good question.
I just listed in disbelief as Obama addressed the issues of terror. He used the word "I" more than the words "us" meaning the citizens of the United States. He doesn't even know the proper nomenclature of the use of the word Special Forces. For the record Special Forces are Green Beret troops only. What he is should of said was Special Operations. And trust me...if you are a Special Operator or the family of one you pick up on it.
The frustration and complete lack of confidence I have in the President to keep my sons and our country safe is indescribable. I don't want tosee the United States part of a civil war but at least untie the hands of the Special Operators already in the Middle East so they can do their jobs. And that is coming directly from the Special Operators in Iraq begging to do their jobs. Not my words..theirs.
I listened to this too Gail and was dumbfounded and frankly very embarassed that the U.S. has to call this man their President. He fumbled and rambled and became very defensive at anything that might be termed criticism, even using the phrase "when somebody pops off about something." How presidential can you get? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Gail - 2015-11-16 9:53 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee? Good question.
I just listed in disbelief as Obama addressed the issues of terror. He used the word "I" more than the words "us" meaning the citizens of the United States. He doesn't even know the proper nomenclature of the use of the word Special Forces. For the record Special Forces are Green Beret troops only. What he is should of said was Special Operations. And trust me...if you are a Special Operator or the family of one you pick up on it.
The frustration and complete lack of confidence I have in the President to keep my sons and our country safe is indescribable. I don't want tosee the United States part of a civil war but at least untie the hands of the Special Operators already in the Middle East so they can do their jobs. And that is coming directly from the Special Operators in Iraq begging to do their jobs. Not my words..theirs.
What do you expect when a Community Organizer becomes President? He's a fool..
Sending prayers to your son and all of our troops. 
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Location: Florida.. | Saw on FB that since ISIS is contained the Refugees can go home right?
seroiusly though.... WHO cant see what is happening with this? this wasnt just a non thought out plan of Obamas.. the lack of children and women and spread out in differant areas... right when he also tried to ban guns.. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-16 6:59 PM
Saw on FB that since ISIS is contained the Refugees can go home right?
seroiusly though.... WHO cant see what is happening with this? this wasnt just a non thought out plan of Obamas.. the lack of children and women and spread out in differant areas... right when he also tried to ban guns..
It's just another reason why Obama has been named the number one gun salesman of the year. Seven years in a row I might add. LOL |
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Location: Florida.. | Rumor has it the photos I posted were not refugees but a drug bust.. I dont know the truth but want to clarify  |
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| The Boston Bombers were Chechen refugees. Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev both refugees.
My heart and prayers are with the victims of maggots of ISIS and those enduring torture in Syria. But we must protect our borders and citizens first. There are other solutions to and places to contain refugees other than to open our doors in America. |
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| Kansas is not allowing the refugees in. |
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| Our news is claiming the states may not legally be able to refuse people of refugee status. This is so disgusting the way the Federal Goverment continues to shove crap down our necks. Where's MusicMaker? I'd love to read her opinion on this. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | RidenFly - 2015-11-17 8:08 AM
Our news is claiming the states may not legally be able to refuse people of refugee status.  This is so disgusting the way the Federal Goverment continues to shove crap down our necks. Where's MusicMaker? I'd love to read her opinion on this.Â
Honestly, does it matter much whether states allow it or do not. After they are in the country, most state borders are pretty darn open and easy to cross anyway. They might have a bit more trouble with certain social services in that state but it won't keep them from entering. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Thank goodness Governor Abbot closed Texas to the refugees, everybody is getting so jumpy and thats good so that everyone now is paying close attention to their surroundings.
Still sending prayers for Paris
And glad to see that people on this thread has calmed down |
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Location: Kansas | Just like with Obamacare, the majority of Americans do NOT want these refugees to be allowed to enter the U.S. at this point. Once again, average citizen ignored and treated like we're ignorant. |
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| Don't think the irony is not lost upon Arizona who tried to explain to the rest of the U.S. what it's like not to be able to refuse immigrants and enact and enforce our own laws. Protecting our border is our right. But, Immediately viewed as racist along with boycots from large corps. But the truth is welfare system/state is simply broke and residents tired of the crime etc. Now everyone else is crying about these refugees. Maybe the situation is different, yet not so much that a person can't now at least gain some understanding of the situation.
No other country allow the influx of criminal border crossing without consecuence. The punishment in Mexico should the situation reverse is pretty dam* severe.
For our President to call these attacks on Paris simply a "set back" is embarrasing as hell. |
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Location: East Texas | ISIS is bad, but they can't come close to killing as many in the western world as Detroit has murders every year. Just saw where Baltimore had 300 murders already this year. Gangs in this country kill more than ISIS ever hopes to. The Mexican cartels have turned our border into a war zone. ISIS is just the distraction the government uses to keep everyone from knowing we don't have the guts to clean up our own backyard, must less the rest of the world.
As for our governor keeping refugees out..... you really think that if they are dropped off in New Orleans that they will not drive a couple hours west and withing 4 months be living in free housing, with free health care, eating free food? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We might end up with 30-35 states who refuse to accept refugees. There will always be solidly liberal states like California, New York, and Massachusetts willing to take them in. Once that happens, they will eventually wind up everywhere. You can't keep them from crossing state lines.
If we would have had a real coalition put together to clean up Syria, they wouldn't have ths excuse. Now it's too little too late, and we're stuck. The refugees will be here, whether we like it or not. These governors know it. |
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| Bear - 2015-11-17 10:44 AM
We might end up with 30-35 states who refuse to accept refugees. There will always be solidly liberal states like California, New York, and Massachusetts willing to take them in. Once that happens, they will eventually wind up everywhere. You can't keep them from crossing state lines.
If we would have had a real coalition put together to clean up Syria, they wouldn't have ths excuse. Now it's too little too late, and we're stuck. The refugees will be here, whether we like it or not. These governors know it.
I agree - impossible to keep them from crossing state lines, but we don't have to give them free room, board, medical attention, food - EVERYTHING.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-reall...
Interesting read. I know many on here making extreme statements would agree with this and that ISIS is 'true Islam,' and all Muslims must follow their ideological dictates to be Islamic but this article offers a number of different views and theological interpretations. It also shows that NOT all Muslims fall under this umbrella in the same way that not all Christians are like those from Westboro Baptist Church.
It is largely consistent with many of the more extreme traditions and literal reading of the Koran, which I have read and teach in my classes.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-11-17 10:44 AM
We might end up with 30-35 states who refuse to accept refugees. There will always be solidly liberal states like California, New York, and Massachusetts willing to take them in. Once that happens, they will eventually wind up everywhere. You can't keep them from crossing state lines.
If we would have had a real coalition put together to clean up Syria, they wouldn't have ths excuse. Now it's too little too late, and we're stuck. The refugees will be here, whether we like it or not. These governors know it.
You can add Missouri to the list of states letting them in. Jay Nixon seems to be an ISIS supporter. |
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