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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I'm pretty sure that you folks don't even know what you're argueing about now.
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| Dinero10 - 2016-02-16 3:56 PM
MS2011 - 2016-02-16 3:31 PM Dinero10 - 2016-02-16 3:07 PM JAG18 - 2016-02-10 2:26 PM I would think that a lot of the guys wouldn't want to be sitting at home. They rodeo because the love the sport. Even if they don't need the money, I would think that they would rather be at a rodeo than doing other things. but life isn't always fair - and sometime we have to do things we don't want to do.
 It's not fair at all.......and it's tough when you've got to win to be able to play at all. (especially steer roping because it's the most expensive event to enter ) That's why I'd love to see rodeo have more options for top competitors.
ERA hasn't even included the steer ropers - plus not everyone enjoys or appreciates the true steer roping venue the way it should be - horsemanship . not this ducking off that they do now and rope a little bigger cattle - not these weak things they rope now.Â
I don't know where you live - but around here they have the osage steer ropings, acra steer ropings, and prca of course..... steer ropers can't make a living steer roping. It would be nice but don't beleive it will happen - not every arena is big enough. Â
Motivated - she is speaking of the steer roping (trippin") which entry fees are expensive. I added up one year of entry fees alone that we spent $30,000 (entry fees only) this was for PRCA rodeos, the inviational jackpots, San Angelo, Pawhuska etc.... entry fees can be $300 and up....   Â
Yeah, I was just clarifying what she meant. I knew the trippin fees were high. I know that Steer Roping is the correct term, I grew up calling it tripping, old habits are hard to break. I thought maybe she might be talking about Team Roping because their fees are usually higher than the other events as well...
Just FYI, I think its great that your husband came home and helped you. It's not every rodeo athlete that says they miss home and actually goes home to to be with family. It's an addiction a lot of time, I know for what little I get to go it is. It takes a lot to put your dreams aside and stay home when its time. Very honorable. He could have just as easily used the "missing home" excuse as a front to throw a big ol fit about having to come home from "living the dream" and he didnt, he manned up and did what he had to do. KUDOS. | |
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| I am afraid for these guys to make the money they want to, the rodeo fan base will have to be much larger. It doesn't matter how many sponsors you get, if enough of the fans don't buy/use their product as a result of advertising, they will drop their sponsorship. If you can't fill your stadium with fans to buy at the concession stand and buy promotional stuff, like T-shirts, etc., then you will have a hard time getting that place the next year. That will make getting the added money for the higher payouts tougher. Everyone involved will want to make money, and to do that you need a lot of fans. The NBA and MLB are always competing with the NFL for attention from fans, sponsors and radio and TV time. That is what rodeo will have to do and I don't think rodeo is main stream enough to do that. Not that many people understand rodeo or even want to. At the end of the day it is a business and profit is will drive it. JMO | |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | I think a lot of people are missing this point when it come to the ERA.... Sorry if this has been posted, haven't read every single post and this popped up last night.
?This is from a page called "Rodeo Basics 101" on Facebook
Okay, I am going to get a little off the Advertising subject and possibly make some people mad, but I have been receiving numerous messages in reference to the PRCA / ERA battle, so I wanted to address the issue. Again, as I stated prior , this is based my experiences and opinions, and if you do not agree, I respect your position. So here goes I know I don't have to explain the fact that there is thousands of opinions, agreements as well as disagreements flying through the social media world. I have read many of them, but through all of the information and opinions that have been posted the root of the problem and what really really caused the uproar is not being addressed. Contestants and fans who are supporting the ERA , by the way, I DO NOT, and my post will explain why that is, think that the PRCA are the bad guys and are just trying to control the destiny of the contestants and deny them from competing in the ERA. NOT TRUE. Here are some facts that some or most of you may not be aware of . The PRCA retaliated against the ERA for one reason and one reason only. That being UNETHICAL BUSINESS PRACTICE. No company, no organization or entity of any type is going to lie down and allow another company, organization or entity to attack and or take their assets without a fight. While the PRCA does not own the PRCA rodeos that are hosted throughout the year, those events are sanctioned by the PRCA and are assets to them in that they generate a portion of the funding that operates the PRCA and they are products of the hard work that the PRCA has invested in the events with marketing and sponsorship assistance and with thousands of hours and dollars of publicity. Now most of you may be a little stumped right now. These next statements are factual, because it happened to me on a larger rodeo that I market and am involved in heavily. The ERA went behind the backs of the PRCA and the stock contractors and went directly to PRCA rodeo committees and tried to sell the concept of taking one - two of the already in place performances and converting them to ERA sanctioned events. This is simply unethical. Any business of any kind would have retaliated in the same situation. The PRCA and the stock contractors simply came back with tactics to protect their business assets and income. Wouldn't you have done the same. Everyone is comparing the ERA and the PBR. The difference in the PBR, they went to new cities, or went into a city that hosted a PRCA rodeo at a different time of year, built their own and took their hard knocks to do it all. They did not try to manipulate currently successful events to change to their association. The truth is being avoided in all of the publicity. This is the root of the problem | |
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| Now I'm confused. Originally they all said they wanted to travel less. The ERA schedule just recently came out and some of these ERA guys are acting like it was there all along. Sure hope they don't choke on all that cake they are wanting:
A year ago, Austin Foss clinched the coveted bareback bronc riding title at the San Angelo Stock Show and Rodeo.
The former Wrangler National Finals Rodeo qualifier finished No. 1 in the title race after turning in an attention-grabbing final round score of 87 at the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association show.
But this year, Foss, an Oregon cowboy, was denied the opportunity to compete in the renowned San Angelo Rodeo because he's a shareholder in a newly formed association called Elite Rodeo Athletes, which has organized a tour of eight lucrative rodeos throughout 2016.
"We were expelled from the PRCA," Foss said. "We had it set up so we could go to four ERA rodeos in the spring and four in the fall. Under that type of schedule, we had it set up so we could rodeo (on the PRCA circuit) all summer."
The PRCA, which sanctions and governs the tradition-rich San Angelo Rodeo, recently changed its bylaws to prohibit ERA shareholders from being PRCA members.
As a result, fans who have attended this year's San Angelo PRCA show have been denied watching some of the biggest stars in the business, such as 23-time world champion Trevor Brazile and six-time world champion Cody Ohl, who both are deep in the ERA.
However, the San Angelo Rodeo still is very healthy. Wednesday and Thursday nights' performances were sold out at the Foster Communications Coliseum. Tonight's PRCA rodeo final round performance and Saturday's Cinch Chute-Out Rodeo also are sellouts.
"We lost some contestants, but it was less than 5 percent," said Tom Thompson, the San Angelo Rodeo's marketing director. "But unfortunately, it's some of the big name people. However, fans are still going to come to out to the rodeo. We sold about 75 percent of our tickets before our first performance (on Feb. 5)."
High profile riders such as Brazile, Ohl and Foss were excluded from the San Angelo Rodeo, along with all other PRCA approved rodeos, as a result of a Feb. 4 court ruling. U.S. District Judge Barbara Lynn ruled in favor of the PRCA, allowing the PRCA to enforce bylaws that will keep its members from owning shares in the ERA.
The ERA had filed a lawsuit seeking a preliminary injunction against the PRCA and alleging that recent bylaws were anticompetitive.
In October, the PRCA enacted bylaws denying anyone with an ownership share in the new rodeo enterprise from purchasing a PRCA membership this year and performing in PRCA events, including the San Angelo Stock Show Rodeo.
The lawsuit brought by ERA, which was heard in a Dallas courtroom on Dec. 29, sought a court order to temporarily stop PRCA from enforcing the new bylaws pending the outcome of another lawsuit that challenged the PRCA's right to punish ERA shareholders by withdrawing their memberships, and as a result their right to compete in PRCA events.
More than a month later, Lynn ruled, "Plaintiffs have not made a clear showing that they will suffer irreparable harm absent a preliminary injunction, nor that they are likely to succeed on the merits of their claims."
When the ruling came down, the PRCA bylaws at issue were immediately enforced and could alter the rodeo landscape for the rest of the year. Many of the ERA's top cowboys were planning on competing in the San Angelo Rodeo, but they were denied the right to do so when Lynn made the ruling on Feb. 4, the day before the 2016 San Angelo Rodeo began. Lynn had ruled that ERA shareholders could compete in PRCA rodeos in January and early February while she was studying the motion for a preliminary injunction.
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Lynn specifically said in her ruling on the injunction that the ERA's lawsuit against the PRCA can continue, and she denied the PRCA's motion to dismiss the original lawsuit.
"Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power" in arguments against the PRCA, she wrote.
Barrel racers are not subject to the ruling because they are in a separate organization — the Women's Professional Rodeo Association — and were not part of the lawsuit. For example, four-time WPRA world champion Sherry Cervi has advanced to tonight's San Angelo finals, which is called the short-go. Cervi also is on the ERA tour.
Though fans will have been denied seeing PRCA icons such as Brazile, Ohl and Foss, the 2016 San Angelo Rodeo has attracted many credentialed competitors who opted to not participate in the ERA.
For example, Caleb Smidt, the PRCA's defending world champion tie-down roper, has qualified for tonight's final round. Defending world champion saddle bronc rider Jacobs Crawley also is on the card.
Meanwhile, the ERA is gearing up to begin its tour next month. The first tour stop is scheduled for March 26-27 in Redmond, Oregon.
The $4.6 million ERA tour has scheduled stops in eight cities, including a Nov. 9-13 championship show at American Airlines Center in Dallas. The ERA is advertising ticket sales for the 2016 tour stops on the association's website.
"The ERA will continue to present the best collection of professional rodeo athletes during its inaugural 2016 season — starting with the first ERA rodeo next month in Redmond Oregon," said Tony Garritano, CEO and president of the ERA.
Though Foss has been denied competing for the title at some of the biggest winter rodeos in the country in cities such as San Angelo, San Antonio and Fort Worth, he said he's elated to be part of the ERA.
"It's worth sacrificing some things for in order to see some positive things happen," Foss said.
Another popular competitor who has been denied a PRCA membership is Richmond Champion, who qualified for the 2014 PRCA National Finals in Las Vegas. However, he's best known for earning a record $1.1 million prize after clinching the bareback riding title at RFD-TV's The American two years ago at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.
Champion took a hit two weeks ago as a result of the court ruling against the ERA. He was leading the bareback riding title race at the Fort Worth Rodeo, which concluded on Feb. 6. However, he was drawn out of the Fort Worth rodeo immediately following the Feb. 4 court ruling.
"It was unfortunate," Champion said. "But the risk was out there and I was fully aware of it."
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| Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business.
I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise? | |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | NFM - 2016-02-19 12:03 PM Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business. I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise?
It isn't that they wanted to go to ERA and PRCA rodeos while being part owner of the business, it is that they wanted to use PRCA rodeos as a way to promote the ERA and have people start qualifying to earn a spot in the ERA. | |
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| NFM - 2016-02-19 1:03 PM
Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business.
I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise?
When I try to take emotion out of this debaucle, here is what I think it might look like in the business world:
Someone has an insurance agency that they've spent years building. There's a few really good agents in the agency that have used the opportunity given them and now are very successful, partly because of their hard work and partly because of the success of the agency.
After a few years, they go to the owner and say, listen we really don't like working these hours we have. And we're exceptional and really too good for your agency. What we're going to do is work for you some, in your office, using your computers, contacts etc, but we're going to build something better with less hours and that really displays how good we are. Oh, and as you hire new agents and as they get experience and do well, we're going to ask them to join us. You don't mind do you?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | chicks2 - 2016-02-21 1:50 PM NFM - 2016-02-19 1:03 PM Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business. I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise? When I try to take emotion out of this debaucle, here is what I think it might look like in the business world: Someone has an insurance agency that they've spent years building. There's a few really good agents in the agency that have used the opportunity given them and now are very successful, partly because of their hard work and partly because of the success of the agency. After a few years, they go to the owner and say, listen we really don't like working these hours we have. And we're exceptional and really too good for your agency. What we're going to do is work for you some, in your office, using your computers, contacts etc, but we're going to build something better with less hours and that really displays how good we are. Oh, and as you hire new agents and as they get experience and do well, we're going to ask them to join us. You don't mind do you?
Not exactly the best analogy…..The PRCA/Contestant is not an Employer/Employee scenario since the PRCA does not “pay” for or OWN the contestant’s “work product”.
Additionally, I think that most forget that the PRCA rule has far more ramifications than just the ERA owners….it also includes ANY person who has a financial interest in “ANY” competing rodeo organization (some pay their elected officials, board members, etc). | |
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| NJJ - 2016-02-21 2:46 PM
chicks2 - 2016-02-21 1:50 PM NFM - 2016-02-19 1:03 PM Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business. I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise? When I try to take emotion out of this debaucle, here is what I think it might look like in the business world: Someone has an insurance agency that they've spent years building. There's a few really good agents in the agency that have used the opportunity given them and now are very successful, partly because of their hard work and partly because of the success of the agency. After a few years, they go to the owner and say, listen we really don't like working these hours we have. And we're exceptional and really too good for your agency. What we're going to do is work for you some, in your office, using your computers, contacts etc, but we're going to build something better with less hours and that really displays how good we are. Oh, and as you hire new agents and as they get experience and do well, we're going to ask them to join us. You don't mind do you?
Additionally, I think that most forget that the PRCA rule has far more ramifications than just the ERA owners….it also includes ANY person who has a financial interest in “ANY” competing rodeo organization (some pay their elected officials, board members, etc).Â
I would respectfully disagree. This is meant to be a simplyfied, bare bones comparison.
Many times a good part of an agent's compensation comes from the carrier not the agency, so it's not quite a pure employee/employer arrangement. The work product piece is also a bit different than in a pure employee/employer arrangement. The PRCA provides their infrastructure that provides the contestants the opportunity. The contestants then use that, hard work and talent to become successful in their event(s).
Maybe not exact, but pretty close. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | chicks2 - 2016-02-21 3:40 PM NJJ - 2016-02-21 2:46 PM chicks2 - 2016-02-21 1:50 PM NFM - 2016-02-19 1:03 PM Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business. I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise? When I try to take emotion out of this debaucle, here is what I think it might look like in the business world: Someone has an insurance agency that they've spent years building. There's a few really good agents in the agency that have used the opportunity given them and now are very successful, partly because of their hard work and partly because of the success of the agency. After a few years, they go to the owner and say, listen we really don't like working these hours we have. And we're exceptional and really too good for your agency. What we're going to do is work for you some, in your office, using your computers, contacts etc, but we're going to build something better with less hours and that really displays how good we are. Oh, and as you hire new agents and as they get experience and do well, we're going to ask them to join us. You don't mind do you?
Additionally, I think that most forget that the PRCA rule has far more ramifications than just the ERA owners….it also includes ANY person who has a financial interest in “ANY” competing rodeo organization (some pay their elected officials, board members, etc). I would respectfully disagree. This is meant to be a simplyfied, bare bones comparison. Many times a good part of an agent's compensation comes from the carrier not the agency, so it's not quite a pure employee/employer arrangement. The work product piece is also a bit different than in a pure employee/employer arrangement. The PRCA provides their infrastructure that provides the contestants the opportunity. The contestants then use that, hard work and talent to become successful in their event (s ). Maybe not exact, but pretty close.
If that were a true analogy........then PRCA contestants would not be able to work any other rodeos..... | |
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Location: The edge of no where | ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group.
My crazy fool of a husband must've missed that memo.... he made it in with I *think* 3 rodeos. Actually went to 2 of them. | |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group.
He entered 2 rodeos and got into San Antonio. Wow. Who is your husband. That must have been quite a feat. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
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Location: The edge of no where | NJJ - 2016-02-21 6:10 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
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| As I understand it contestants can do what they want if they're not in an ownership or similar position with a competing organization. So if ERA offered dues paying memberships instead of buy in, contestants are 'free agents'...is that incorrect?
I think = I understand the goal of the ERA and their owners, from strictly a business model prespective, it doesn't hold together. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do have a business understanding and it doesn't support the ERA's expectations. I want this to work out, especially for those 'owners' that aren't Trevor. I think some of the folks may have been encouraged to enage with an unproven arrangement that doesn't help them or their families.
Hubby and I are going with some friends to The American a week from today where we'll see proven champions along with up and comers. We support them all. Long Live Rodeo and our Western Heritage, hopefully we can all work to keep it alive.
Good night to all and have a great Monday.....if that's possible!?!
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Location: SE KS | MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:11 PM NJJ - 2016-02-21 6:10 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Dinero10 - 2016-02-22 9:56 AM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:11 PM NJJ - 2016-02-21 6:10 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
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