cruisin3 - 2016-11-01 4:07 PM


Wasn't really going to get into this but I have a real life M.S. in Molecular Genetics from an actual college and not Google.  Hold multiple patents for genetic defects in cattle and have 12 or so defect tests licensed in US, Canada, Europe, and Australia.  Does that qualify me to discuss genetics in your eyes?  Three4Luck is dead on accurate on everything said.  I also have experience with gene-editing and have worked on and produced a genetically edited pig.  We have done the experiments, whole genome sequencing, RNA-seq, expression studies, etc..  I guess I'm just one of those lazy people collecting a salary though right?  
Foreign countries ban on GMO products has nothing to do with safety, it's a political issue.  In fact, there is a higher scientific consensus on GMO safety than man-made climate change.  As far as Dr. Huber goes, I can't find any peer-reviewed journal articles of his work.  So until that happens, I don't believe a word of it.  If you have a peer-reviewed journal article with actual data that has not been retracted due to falsifying data please share because I can't find one on PubMed. Again I'm not calling you stupid either so don't take it that way, I deal with facts that can be proven not based on emotion.
 

SloRide - 2016-11-01 4:45 PM

How about we and see what the necropsy shows before we come to any hard and fast conclusions?

cutnrunqhmt - 2016-10-31 3:32 PM


Well you didn't look very hard it is not hard to find. I did't mean it slows plant growth it causes growth problems in animals certainly not saying every animal. We just bought hay from a guy who stopped producing it after he lost several bulls, he is the one who told us that the producers in his area have discovered that they avoid the problems by harvesting the hay later after the bloom. I didn't save every article I read but can go find them, I also have a brother in law who is a biochemist and gave me lots of insight on it. I always find it funny people have such a hard time understanding that eating poison is bad. There is no denying my hay had round up in it we had it tested at the Montana State University. Are you saying that eating a weed killer is healthy? The facts are my hay had round up in it I realize that not all hay will have this but mine did and I fed it for 7 months so for 7 months my horses ate round up and they were sick and some died. These were healthy well taken care of animals. Just because you yourself has not had an issue or know of an issue does not mean it can not happen. I am home all the time I saw all the little things start and most people who are not around all the time would have missed that it even happened until they found them dead or suffering from a painful episode. Most of these you would have just thought the horse coliced and died but these were more than that.

cutnrunqhmt - 2016-11-01 4:58 PM


Their insides basically were blown out from perforated ulcers. I have 25 horses I had to treat everyone for ulcers that doesn't just happen. Glysophate causes gastric issues . I only mentioned it as a caution I never said all round up ready hay was evil mine just happened to still have round up in it.

lindseylou2290 - 2016-11-01 5:15 PM


Ya sure this wasn't selenium toxicity or an imbalance of another mineral?

If this was an issue with gly as you suggest, I would think there would be many, many, many more horses and livestock in similar situations ......

cutnrunqhmt - 2016-11-01 4:42 PM


The first part of my post was not directed to you and please know I truly am sorry you lost your horse.

Not once did anyone call you stupid or an idiot! What happens is when you say something that contradicts 10+ years of peer reviewed studies, people ask questions and want facts. I am a scientist that's how my brain works. So I was again unable to find any peer reviewed journal articles with this research. So is the group going to publish the results and have the data peer reviewed?

My only issue is with the professor you mentioned, he's made outrageous claims in he pat and been called out on them with no response or provided actual reproducible data.

GLP - 2016-11-01 6:26 PM

I just started to read about round up ready alfalfa so I have a question-
The alfalfa is modified to be unaffected by the Round Up that is sprayed on the weeds in the alfalfa field do that the weeds die but the alfalfa is allowed to grow in unimpeded by weeds. Is that right?

Three 4 Luck - 2016-11-01 2:14 PM


I have a Bachelor of Science in Ag Business, over 20 years experience farming and growing genetically engineered (GMO) crops, and a lifetime involved in row crop farming.  I'm a board member for the Ag Council of Arkansas, and a former member of the County Conservation Board.

 My husband has a Master of Science in Agronomy with an emphasis on soils, 14 years experience with the Univ of AR Division of Ag Cooperative Extension Service as a county agent for Ag and staff chair, which involved agronomy advice, research, and demos.  He has 12 years of part time farming experience, and 1 year full time.  He's a board member and former Chairman of the Tri-State Soybean Forum, and has presented research at several industry conferences.

 My dad has a lifetime of experience farming (he's 67 and has never done anything else), has been very involved in research, and travels the country giving talks on sustainble ag and conservation practices.  He is current Chairman of the Cotton State Support Committee (which directs where checkoff dollars are spent on research in the state) serves on the Cotton Inc board of directors and is a former alternate for the National Cotton Council and Cotton Board.  We are involved in the Discovery Farm program, where researchers measure effects of conservation practices on fertilizer runoff and irrigation efficiency.

 My FIL has a phd and is a plant pathologist with the university.  My BIL has a phd in weed science and works for private industry in the midwest.

 I have a made a hobby of studying GMO science and helping educate consumers on social media about modern farming practices and genetic engineering, and have access to a plethora of resources and experts.  Anything I don't know, I can find out. 

cutnrunqhmt - 2016-11-01 4:58 PM


Their insides basically were blown out from perforated ulcers. I have 25 horses I had to treat everyone for ulcers that doesn't just happen. Glysophate causes gastric issues . I only mentioned it as a caution I never said all round up ready hay was evil mine just happened to still have round up in it.

cutnrunqhmt - 2016-11-01 8:17 PM


That is right. Most of the time it is not an issue and everyone on here believes it is never an issue but certain things can lead to it staying in the plant and then is in the harvested plant.

Three 4 Luck - 2016-11-01 2:14 PM


I have a Bachelor of Science in Ag Business, over 20 years experience farming and growing genetically engineered (GMO) crops, and a lifetime involved in row crop farming.  I'm a board member for the Ag Council of Arkansas, and a former member of the County Conservation Board.

 My husband has a Master of Science in Agronomy with an emphasis on soils, 14 years experience with the Univ of AR Division of Ag Cooperative Extension Service as a county agent for Ag and staff chair, which involved agronomy advice, research, and demos.  He has 12 years of part time farming experience, and 1 year full time.  He's a board member and former Chairman of the Tri-State Soybean Forum, and has presented research at several industry conferences.

 My dad has a lifetime of experience farming (he's 67 and has never done anything else), has been very involved in research, and travels the country giving talks on sustainble ag and conservation practices.  He is current Chairman of the Cotton State Support Committee (which directs where checkoff dollars are spent on research in the state) serves on the Cotton Inc board of directors and is a former alternate for the National Cotton Council and Cotton Board.  We are involved in the Discovery Farm program, where researchers measure effects of conservation practices on fertilizer runoff and irrigation efficiency.

 My FIL has a phd and is a plant pathologist with the university.  My BIL has a phd in weed science and works for private industry in the midwest.

 I have a made a hobby of studying GMO science and helping educate consumers on social media about modern farming practices and genetic engineering, and have access to a plethora of resources and experts.  Anything I don't know, I can find out. 

BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-11-02 1:52 AM Just what I figured ... not a one of you are successful full time farmers or millionaires with all those smarts ... I'm like Trump on McCain vs the ones that did not get captured .. Don't show me a bunch of titles from little elite groups that trade around giving each other titles and working your political company and government jobs for a living while supporting dangerous chemicals and messing with real live Frankenstein plants that will crossover and affect food supplies around the world for years to come .... I like the natural order of living things without a bunch of kooks messing with the unknown behind closed doors and then spending millions of dollars and jillions of lies trying to convince people with common sense that you have come to save them ... lol It astounds me that Americans sit back and allow kooks to use them as experimental animals by entities out to make huge profits for themselves and to hell with the long term affects the exposure may have on themselves and genetic infusions crippling generations in the future .... all for greed, money and control of food sources ... it is like having one portapotty for fans at the super bowl .. lol You can spew your facist ideals all you want to but it does not change the facts that God created a perfect balanced predator and prey sequence for both plants and animals and there will be serious consequences when man tries to change the natural chain of events for the all mighty dollar. There are no real benefits or proof of GMO increasing crop yields etc etc ..... all that is happening is control of the seed market with GMO seeds that contaminate surrounding plant life and breaks the chain of plants, insects and animals feeding off of each other that allows all to survive and to control each others numbers in a natural state. The freaky thing is the continuing sterilization of the soil and increased chemical retention which requires more fertilizers and stronger more weird chemicals to control weeds that has no ending cycles ... while affecting the surrounding environment ... it is a shame no one is in jail .. It is going to be interesting to see what St Peter sez to all of you Monsanto people when you show up carrying your bags of poison seeds and your bug and weed sprayers strapped to your backs ...

GLP - 2016-11-01 9:16 PM Another question- does the GM alfalfa absorb the Round Up just like the weeds do, but the GM alfalfa can't be killed by the Round Up, or does the genetic modification make it so the alfalfa doesn't absorb the Round Up?

cutnrunqhmt - 2016-11-01 5:30 PM


We tested for for nutrients and had no issues there and we are actually an area of very low selenium. My horses had no symptoms of this either. In our area I have talked to several other horse owners/breeders who had similar issues to mine several had the same hay, several lost horses as well. Those people just thought their horses had a colic episode and died until we started linking the hay to each other as well. One colt was a big fat 2yr old who looked amazing I was with him at around 8:30 pm left for an hour and he was dead when I got back. He ruptured inside, not caused by a blockage either he just blew apart inside. Gylsophate stops mineral and vitamin from being absorbed in many cases as well causing your animals to be unthrifty looking and in general not healthy. I talked to lots of people who use to raise gmo hay that no longer do because they had issues with it as well. Sometimes you have to beat the brush a little to find the answers and a lot of people get shut up. There is a huge amount of information out there and just like the other side you have to be sure of where it is coming from and not all will be true just like the other side is not always true. I am not good with words so sometimes this doesn't come out right so sorry .There are actually reports of animals having issues. Just this week I got information on a bunch of issues in Wisconsin from a vet clinic , they were comparing what I had happen. I wish I could say all of it but right now there are a few things I can't share just yet. I am hoping that soon we will be able to. I tried to explain that earlier.

Three 4 Luck - 2016-11-02 12:28 PM


Glyphosate is metabolized by the plant and broken down into non-toxic components.  I dont remember what exactly is breaks down into, but I can find out.   The way it works is it inhibits a specific photosynthesis pathway.  Plants that are modified or have naturally adapted to be resistant have another photosynthesis pathway available to them when that one is blocked.   

FlyingJT - 2016-11-02 12:49 PM What if the round up is not used as directed, is there ever an amount that the "resistant" plants, not be able to synthesis? Or is that a dumb question.....

FlyingJT - 2016-11-02 12:49 PM


What if the round up is not used as directed, is there ever an amount that the "resistant" plants, not be able to synthesis? Or is that a dumb question.....

lindseylou2290 - 2016-11-02 1:20 PM You can slather it on pretty good and "burn" a field so that the plants turn a bit yellow but as long as they have the insert correct, they will not die. Roundup resistance in weeds is actually from incorrect application more than anything else - either too little was applied or the plants were sprayed at the wrong time (like when they are dormant during the hot part of the day). Plants evolve survival capabilities pretty quickly, just like antibiotic resistant bacteria.