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Location: OH | I always thought that in the racing industry they should have a holding barn with cameras, horses go there the day before. Easy, 9 race card, 10 horses a race usually max. 100 stall barn, problem solved, but that is not barrel racing. |
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| Was a "fly on the wall" for a couple years helping produce races and have heard many conversations about drug use between top futurity trainers, nfr qualifiers, local 1D superstars, big-time brokers and greatly lost respect for so many. |
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| Mighty Broke - 2017-01-17 8:40 PM
I always thought that in the racing industry they should have a holding barn with cameras, horses go there the day before. Easy, 9 race card, 10 horses a race usually max. 100 stall barn, problem solved, but that is not barrel racing.
Indiana Downs has cameras in every barn. Security guards check credentials before you go to the back side. If you are a new owner never checked into their system they will search your car, truck, or trailer. If you have been flagged at other tracks for cheating or a bad test they will actually pat you down. Security guards stand at every breeze way and the ends of the barn. You cannot touch a horse unless you have a trainer or owner card around your neck and if your an owner and your petting your horse they will come and ask to see your badge and make sure it is in fact your horse your petting. I have been warned about petting another owner's horse that my trainer had stalled beside mine on the backside. I was only petting him/playing with his nose to pacify him while they took wraps off him as my trainer was short handed on help that day.
I cannot speak for other tracks but IN Downs has upped the purses and as a result upped their back side security.
Casino money pays for all of this though and like someone mentioned the only reason they test and have security in place is for the betting public not for animal welfare. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | GLP - 2017-01-17 7:50 PM Bear - 2017-01-17 6:07 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-17 5:42 PM Ok, I will play devil's advocate also, what about sabotage. Someone sneaks in and gives someone else's horse something illegal, don't think it couldn't happen. It could. OK now we are starting to get just a little ridiculous. Stuff like that happens now, doesn't it? What if a cobra crawls up Nellie's ass and bites her and she tests positive for cobra venom? Don't think it couldn't happen. It could. Hell, just the other day I saw it with my own eyes. Yeah, it happens. A girl we rodeoed with was at the BFA years ago and she was good enough (made the NFR the year before ) that someone drugged her horse. He went apes*^t crazy and she didn't get to run. She had the vet there drug test him and it came back positive for drugs.
It even happens to kids at the FFA and 4-H level, let alone the national level showing livestock. |
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| 3canstorun - 2017-01-18 7:24 AM
GLP - 2017-01-17 7:50 PM Bear - 2017-01-17 6:07 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-17 5:42 PM Ok, I will play devil's advocate also, what about sabotage. Someone sneaks in and gives someone else's horse something illegal, don't think it couldn't happen. It could. OK now we are starting to get just a little ridiculous. Stuff like that happens now, doesn't it? What if a cobra crawls up Nellie's ass and bites her and she tests positive for cobra venom? Don't think it couldn't happen. It could. Hell, just the other day I saw it with my own eyes. Yeah, it happens. A girl we rodeoed with was at the BFA years ago and she was good enough (made the NFR the year before ) that someone drugged her horse. He went apes*^t crazy and she didn't get to run. She had the vet there drug test him and it came back positive for drugs.
Yep, parents suck sometimes. Luckily we showed Santa Gertrudis and most of those parents were ranchers so there was never even a hint of foul play, but it is a relatively small group. The steer game- VERY different story there. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | GLP - 2017-01-18 7:36 AM 3canstorun - 2017-01-18 7:24 AM GLP - 2017-01-17 7:50 PM Bear - 2017-01-17 6:07 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-17 5:42 PM Ok, I will play devil's advocate also, what about sabotage. Someone sneaks in and gives someone else's horse something illegal, don't think it couldn't happen. It could. OK now we are starting to get just a little ridiculous. Stuff like that happens now, doesn't it? What if a cobra crawls up Nellie's ass and bites her and she tests positive for cobra venom? Don't think it couldn't happen. It could. Hell, just the other day I saw it with my own eyes. Yeah, it happens. A girl we rodeoed with was at the BFA years ago and she was good enough (made the NFR the year before ) that someone drugged her horse. He went apes*^t crazy and she didn't get to run. She had the vet there drug test him and it came back positive for drugs. Yep, parents suck sometimes. Luckily we showed Santa Gertrudis and most of those parents were ranchers so there was never even a hint of foul play, but it is a relatively small group. The steer game- VERY different story there.
Had a friends pig die right before the auction. Sent the pig off to see if it had any diseases. Pig died of heart failure due to a drug is what vet said. Can't remember which drug. This was a good 15 years or so ago. Pig just fell over and died. Barns back then had no cameras...
She was grand champion over all. Still think the reserve champ did it to get more money on her pig. My friend got maybe $500 back on her show pig.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | iloveequine40 - 2017-01-18 6:40 AM
Was a "fly on the wall" for a couple years helping produce races and have heard many conversations about drug use between top futurity trainers, nfr qualifiers, local 1D superstars, big-time brokers and greatly lost respect for so many.
Yes it happens way more than people think. Even NFR qualifiers that everyone loves and puts on pedestals. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | mreklaw - 2017-01-18 9:45 AM iloveequine40 - 2017-01-18 6:40 AM Was a "fly on the wall" for a couple years helping produce races and have heard many conversations about drug use between top futurity trainers, nfr qualifiers, local 1D superstars, big-time brokers and greatly lost respect for so many. Yes it happens way more than people think. Even NFR qualifiers that everyone loves and puts on pedestals.
Like who?
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 1DSoon - 2017-01-18 8:57 AM mreklaw - 2017-01-18 9:45 AM iloveequine40 - 2017-01-18 6:40 AM Was a "fly on the wall" for a couple years helping produce races and have heard many conversations about drug use between top futurity trainers, nfr qualifiers, local 1D superstars, big-time brokers and greatly lost respect for so many. Yes it happens way more than people think. Even NFR qualifiers that everyone loves and puts on pedestals.
I think I'd like to know as well....Followed by proof to back up your statement so this thread doesn't turn into hearsay and get deleted....  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This is from 2012:
http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/rodeo-chucks/Erickson+Still+wai... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I've never heard of the organization "SHARK" before, but this is another interesting read. I don't necessarily agree with the list of banned substances.
https://lasvegassun.com/community/press-releases/1502/ |
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If SHARK is so concerned...maybe they should step up or shut up and offer to pay for the testing. Especially at those smaller rodeos where they want random testing. SHARK is just about as bad an extreme as PETA.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SKM - 2017-01-18 9:33 AM
If SHARK is so concerned...maybe they should step up or shut up and offer to pay for the testing. Especially at those smaller rodeos where they want random testing. SHARK is just about as bad an extreme as PETA.
I've never heard of them before. Are they like PETA? |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Bear - 2017-01-18 10:38 AM SKM - 2017-01-18 9:33 AM If SHARK is so concerned...maybe they should step up or shut up and offer to pay for the testing. Especially at those smaller rodeos where they want random testing. SHARK is just about as bad an extreme as PETA. I've never heard of them before. Are they like PETA?
more fanatical, less funded
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SHARK is a shock and awe organization. They have taken video and then have cut and spliced for it carry their message. I had to deal with them when I was rodeoing in the Midwest many years ago. They were well known for un-tieing horses at trailers and trying to get them to run off. They also have gone to dog shows and let dogs out of their crates. They feel an animal is better off being dead then being used and shown. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2017-01-18 10:42 AM
SHARK is a shock and awe organization. They have taken video and then have cut and spliced for it carry their message. I had to deal with them when I was rodeoing in the Midwest many years ago. They were well known for un-tieing horses at trailers and trying to get them to run off. They also have gone to dog shows and let dogs out of their crates. They feel an animal is better off being dead then being used and shown.
Ahhhh, now I think I know who they are. Before I owned my horse Bear, I believe he was tied up before a WPRA rodeo outside the Target center in Minneapolis, and these crazy zealots came along and turned him and others loose to run in downtown Minneapolis. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | astreakinchic - 2017-01-18 7:21 AM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-17 8:40 PM I always thought that in the racing industry they should have a holding barn with cameras, horses go there the day before. Easy, 9 race card, 10 horses a race usually max. 100 stall barn, problem solved, but that is not barrel racing. Indiana Downs has cameras in every barn. Security guards check credentials before you go to the back side. If you are a new owner never checked into their system they will search your car, truck, or trailer. If you have been flagged at other tracks for cheating or a bad test they will actually pat you down. Security guards stand at every breeze way and the ends of the barn. You cannot touch a horse unless you have a trainer or owner card around your neck and if your an owner and your petting your horse they will come and ask to see your badge and make sure it is in fact your horse your petting. I have been warned about petting another owner's horse that my trainer had stalled beside mine on the backside. I was only petting him/playing with his nose to pacify him while they took wraps off him as my trainer was short handed on help that day. I cannot speak for other tracks but IN Downs has upped the purses and as a result upped their back side security. Casino money pays for all of this though and like someone mentioned the only reason they test and have security in place is for the betting public not for animal welfare.
Wow, thats eye opening! We have pretty good purses down here, our breeders futurity has a million dollar purse, and security is so lax they might as well not even have any. The security guards pretty much never leave the guard shack unless they need to tell someone to move thier truck or trailer. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2017-01-18 10:49 AM Nevertooold - 2017-01-18 10:42 AM SHARK is a shock and awe organization. They have taken video and then have cut and spliced for it carry their message. I had to deal with them when I was rodeoing in the Midwest many years ago. They were well known for un-tieing horses at trailers and trying to get them to run off. They also have gone to dog shows and let dogs out of their crates. They feel an animal is better off being dead then being used and shown. Ahhhh, now I think I know who they are. Before I owned my horse Bear, I believe he was tied up before a WPRA rodeo outside the Target center in Minneapolis, and these crazy zealots came along and turned him and others loose to run in downtown Minneapolis.
They loved doing that.
They started to add security at the IPRA rodeos so none of them could get back to the trailers.
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| Barnmom - 2017-01-18 11:59 AM
astreakinchic - 2017-01-18 7:21 AM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-17 8:40 PM I always thought that in the racing industry they should have a holding barn with cameras, horses go there the day before. Easy, 9 race card, 10 horses a race usually max. 100 stall barn, problem solved, but that is not barrel racing. Indiana Downs has cameras in every barn. Security guards check credentials before you go to the back side. If you are a new owner never checked into their system they will search your car, truck, or trailer. If you have been flagged at other tracks for cheating or a bad test they will actually pat you down. Security guards stand at every breeze way and the ends of the barn. You cannot touch a horse unless you have a trainer or owner card around your neck and if your an owner and your petting your horse they will come and ask to see your badge and make sure it is in fact your horse your petting. I have been warned about petting another owner's horse that my trainer had stalled beside mine on the backside. I was only petting him/playing with his nose to pacify him while they took wraps off him as my trainer was short handed on help that day. I cannot speak for other tracks but IN Downs has upped the purses and as a result upped their back side security. Casino money pays for all of this though and like someone mentioned the only reason they test and have security in place is for the betting public not for animal welfare.
I feel like IN Downs has rent-a-cops that need to feel empowered LOL and they are Yankees haha (sorry if you are one)
I was on the backside when a very well known trainer from OK showed up. His horses had day lighted the field a few weeks (maybe 2) before when they still had the one day QH races at Red Mile in KY. He made it through the front check in shack pulled his rig around the back to unload and it looked like a swat team of guards surrounding him. They ushered his grooms back in the truck and wouldn't even let him step outta the truck. His horses were scratched from all races and they sent him packing. No clue what they found or why they forced him to leave but it was something his groom had is what we heard. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | As far as drug testing at D races and rodeos go, it's been tried and failed. An association was formed in the south years ago with the noble intent to drug test. They didn't last very long.
It would be logistically impossible because of the lack of security at shows, length of time the event covers and the problem with expense that nobody wants to cover.
As far as the "animal rights" people go. Years ago (probably 20) some friends of mine went to run at the Cow Palace in SF, CA. While they were away from their rig some real intelligent people pulled the pin that kept the stinger in the receiver. They got back to the trailer and loaded up drove out on the street and the trailer and stinger came out of the receiver. There are lots of hills in SF. The trailer and horses rolled back down the hill into and through a fire station and stopped against the back wall of the fire station. On the other side of the wall was a shear drop off. The police told them the animal rights people were known to do just this thing. Idiots. |
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