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Location: Missouri | rodeomom3 - 2019-02-02 5:40 PM
jd&ez - 2019-02-02 12:29 PM ****, someone accused me and someone else of being the same poster. I think there's 10 or so you that are the same poster using differnt names. Same answer to everything, same viewpoint, same namecalling. Get all your news from the same place. Believe in all the same conspiracies.
I'm joking before y'all blow your anuerisms. As for the topic, I didn't look at this thread because the topic of a NY law didn't interest me. But one of the post alikes mentioned it. Yes I am one of those evil democrats that is against abortion. But that is a religeous objection. As a christian I have been taught and believe that God makes life and that life begins at conception. If my wife, sisters, friends, daughter, {if I had one}, wanted to have an abortion I would do everything in my poswer to disuade that decision. The problem comes in because the law does not reflect my christian beliefs. Roe v Wade was decided when the judge asked the Texas AG if the fetus had state rights. When the AG said no, the case was over. It wasn't that simple but in a way it was. The abortionist could not charged with a crime against a person if it was not legally a person. And we are a country founded on separation between church and state. The remedy to outlaw abortions is to declare the fetus a citizen. Then it would be murder. You see no politians advocating that. Especially the GOP. Someone mentioned not being able to get a stright answer from liberals. Here's a question I've been able to get anti abortionists to answer, what penalty do you propose for the woman that has an abortion? Should she be given the death penalty? Life in prison? I did get one answer one time from a far, far right winger. He said the mother should be charged with murder and executed if the death penalty is allowed in that state. Life in prison if the death penalty wasn't an option. Also the same for the doctor if there was one involved. That's a guy true to his convictions. It still goes back to the fetus not being a citizen. Solve that problem and the debate over abortions being legal goes away. Â
You're right.....this country as a collective whole is losing its humanity very very rapidly. I shutter to think, as Gator mentioned, where they will 'move the goal post' to next. Where will they finally stop? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2019-02-02 12:29 PM
****, someone accused me and someone else of being the same poster. I think there's 10 or so you that are the same poster using differnt names. Same answer to everything, same viewpoint, same namecalling. Get all your news from the same place. Believe in all the same conspiracies.
I'm joking before y'all blow your anuerisms.As for the topic, I didn't look at this thread because the topic of a NY law didn't interest me. But one of the post alikes mentioned it. Yes I am one of those evil democrats that is against abortion. But that is a religeous objection. As a christian I have been taught and believe that God makes life and that life begins at conception. If my wife, sisters, friends, daughter, {if I had one}, wanted to have an abortion I would do everything in my poswer to disuade that decision. The problem comes in because the law does not reflect my christian beliefs. Roe v Wade was decided when the judge asked the Texas AG if the fetus had state rights. When the AG said no, the case was over. It wasn't that simple but in a way it was. The abortionist could not charged with a crime against a person if it was not legally a person. And we are a country founded on separation between church and state. The remedy to outlaw abortions is to declare the fetus a citizen. Then it would be murder. You see no politians advocating that. Especially the GOP. Someone mentioned not being able to get a stright answer from liberals. Here's a question I've been able to get anti abortionists to answer, what penalty do you propose for the woman that has an abortion? Should she be given the death penalty? Life in prison? I did get one answer one time from a far, far right winger. He said the mother should be charged with murder and executed if the death penalty is allowed in that state. Life in prison if the death penalty wasn't an option. Also the same for the doctor if there was one involved. That's a guy true to his convictions. It still goes back to the fetus not being a citizen. Solve that problem and the debate over abortions being legal goes away. Â
Jd&ez, I am moved to tears with your deeply held spiritual principles and your pro-life stance, all the while clinging to your blind devotion to a party that not only espouses the pro-choice position, but promotes it and promotes the latest crazy fad to legalize late term abortion, including the insane legalization of homicide during active childbirth. Evidently, your devotion to a party that promotes this kind of infanticide trumps your faith-based morals. In other words, you worship the Democrat Party above any other deity.
I’d love to hear your take on Va Governor Northam....you know, the fella who is in favor of late term abortion, and even supports the resuscitation of a newborn, then keeping the baby “comfortable” while the parents and doctors decide its fate. The same guy who admitted his yearbook photo from 1984 (a black faced man and another fella completely concealed beneath a KKK robe and hood) was racist and regrettable. Of course, one of his handlers informed him that it couldn’t be proved he was actually in the photo....THEN he did an about-face and denied he was in the photo, and had the audacity to suggest he’d never even seen it...ever.
As a Yellow Dog Democrat, by definition, you would blindly support him.
I gotta hand it to you. Your use of the hypothetical question of whether or not a mother who aborted her baby ought to be charged with murder, was a splendid attempt at deflection.
Unlike others less familiar with your habits, I won’t hold my breath awaiting your answer.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Bear - 2019-02-02 7:31 PM jd&ez - 2019-02-02 12:29 PM ****, someone accused me and someone else of being the same poster. I think there's 10 or so you that are the same poster using differnt names. Same answer to everything, same viewpoint, same namecalling. Get all your news from the same place. Believe in all the same conspiracies.
I'm joking before y'all blow your anuerisms.
As for the topic, I didn't look at this thread because the topic of a NY law didn't interest me. But one of the post alikes mentioned it.
Yes I am one of those evil democrats that is against abortion. But that is a religeous objection. As a christian I have been taught and believe that God makes life and that life begins at conception. If my wife, sisters, friends, daughter, {if I had one}, wanted to have an abortion I would do everything in my poswer to disuade that decision.
The problem comes in because the law does not reflect my christian beliefs. Roe v Wade was decided when the judge asked the Texas AG if the fetus had state rights. When the AG said no, the case was over. It wasn't that simple but in a way it was. The abortionist could not charged with a crime against a person if it was not legally a person.
And we are a country founded on separation between church and state.
The remedy to outlaw abortions is to declare the fetus a citizen. Then it would be murder. You see no politians advocating that. Especially the GOP.
Someone mentioned not being able to get a stright answer from liberals. Here's a question I've been able to get anti abortionists to answer, what penalty do you propose for the woman that has an abortion? Should she be given the death penalty? Life in prison?
I did get one answer one time from a far, far right winger. He said the mother should be charged with murder and executed if the death penalty is allowed in that state. Life in prison if the death penalty wasn't an option. Also the same for the doctor if there was one involved. That's a guy true to his convictions.
It still goes back to the fetus not being a citizen. Solve that problem and the debate over abortions being legal goes away.
Jd&ez, I am moved to tears with your deeply held spiritual principles and your pro-life stance, all the while clinging to your blind devotion to a party that not only espouses the pro-choice position, but promotes it and promotes the latest crazy fad to legalize late term abortion, including the insane legalization of homicide during active childbirth. Evidently, your devotion to a party that promotes this kind of infanticide trumps your faith-based morals. In other words, you worship the Democrat Party above any other deity. I’d love to hear your take on Va Governor Northam....you know, the fella who is in favor of late term abortion, and even supports the resuscitation of a newborn, then keeping the baby “comfortable” while the parents and doctors decide its fate. The same guy who admitted his yearbook photo from 1984 (a black faced man and another fella completely concealed beneath a KKK robe and hood ) was racist and regrettable. Of course, one of his handlers informed him that it couldn’t be proved he was actually in the photo....THEN he did an about-face and denied he was in the photo, and had the audacity to suggest he’d never even seen it...ever. As a Yellow Dog Democrat, by definition, you would blindly support him. I gotta hand it to you. Your use of the hypothetical question of whether or not a mother who aborted her baby ought to be charged with murder, was a splendid attempt at deflection. Unlike others less familiar with your habits, I won’t hold my breath awaiting your answer.
I know...I know...he/she just 'sucks' at answering.
I won't hold my breath...but I would actually like at least some sort of debate or thought/effort; or at least some semblance thereof.
But, nooo.. it is just 'crickets'.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Anyone that has two brain cells and any moral compass at all can't support the current platform of the dems. This coming from someone that's been a feminist (before it became corrupted) and a prochoice female of 63 years on this planet. They are evil. PERIOD.
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Location: Missouri | OregonBR - 2019-02-04 11:03 AM
Anyone that has two brain cells and any moral compass at all can't support the current platform of the dems. This coming from someone that's been a feminist (before it became corrupted) and a prochoice female of 63 years on this planet. They are evil. PERIOD.
Question.....hopefully I word this right. You say feminism has been corrupted (I agree.) However, this form of feminism is the only thing I've seen, really, being under 30 myself. What is feminism then, to you? What did you support, advocate for? And I hope you know I ask this question out of genuine interest and zero snark.  | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | It always meant to me not being stopped from achieving anything we are capable of doing. Not being limited to jobs that are traditionally women's jobs. If a woman wants to be a surgeon, truck driver, electrician, heavy equipment operator, Bond trader, etc... and she can perform that work based on her own skills. She should NOT be held back. I worked in a manufacturing company, out in the plant doing the same work as any man and I was good at it. I was given respect by all the men out there. I earned a man's wage.
It also applies to personal decisions about life choices. I bought and sold property. Made all the financial decisions in my life. If I wasn't able to get what I wanted the traditional way, I went around it and got it my way.
But I have to note that we are not by our physiology, able to do some jobs the same WAY as men. Men are naturally stronger. So if we want to do the same job, we have to have equipment or tricks to get the job done without having to be as strong. It doesn't mean we can't do the job. It's just the way it gets done that's different.
Contrast that to the tattooed, pierced, (ETA: I know people with tattoos and piercings that I don't think less of. It's when it's combined with the following that really matters) vagina hat wearing, vile mouthed, man hating, whiners that call themselves feminists now. They're appalling. They don't have my respect and unless you're a beta male, real men don't respect that sh*t either.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | OregonBR - 2019-02-04 2:00 PM
It always meant to me not being stopped from achieving anything we are capable of doing. Not being limited to jobs that are traditionally women's jobs. If a woman wants to be a surgeon, truck driver, electrician, heavy equipment operator, Bond trader, etc... and she can perform that work based on her own skills. She should NOT be held back. I worked in a manufacturing company, out in the plant doing the same work as any man and I was good at it. I was given respect by all the men out there. I earned a man's wage.
It also applies to personal decisions about life choices. I bought and sold property. Made all the financial decisions in my life. If I wasn't able to get what I wanted the traditional way, I went around it and got it my way.
But I have to note that we are not by our physiology, able to do some jobs the same WAY as men. Men are naturally stronger. So if we want to do the same job, we have to have equipment or tricks to get the job done without having to be as strong. It doesn't mean we can't do the job. It's just the way it gets done that's different.
Contrast that to the tattooed, pierced, (ETA: I know people with tattoos and piercings that I don't think less of. It's when it's combined with the following that really matters) vagina hat wearing, vile mouthed, man hating, whiners that call themselves feminists now. They're appalling. They don't have my respect and unless you're a beta male, real men don't respect that sh*t either.
Doesn’t sadden you to think that you are becoming increasingly rare in today’s world, OregonBR? | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Bear - 2019-02-04 1:11 PM
OregonBR - 2019-02-04 2:00 PM
It always meant to me not being stopped from achieving anything we are capable of doing. Not being limited to jobs that are traditionally women's jobs. If a woman wants to be a surgeon, truck driver, electrician, heavy equipment operator, Bond trader, etc... and she can perform that work based on her own skills. She should NOT be held back. I worked in a manufacturing company, out in the plant doing the same work as any man and I was good at it. I was given respect by all the men out there. I earned a man's wage.
It also applies to personal decisions about life choices. I bought and sold property. Made all the financial decisions in my life. If I wasn't able to get what I wanted the traditional way, I went around it and got it my way.
But I have to note that we are not by our physiology, able to do some jobs the same WAY as men. Men are naturally stronger. So if we want to do the same job, we have to have equipment or tricks to get the job done without having to be as strong. It doesn't mean we can't do the job. It's just the way it gets done that's different.
Contrast that to the tattooed, pierced, (ETA: I know people with tattoos and piercings that I don't think less of. It's when it's combined with the following that really matters) vagina hat wearing, vile mouthed, man hating, whiners that call themselves feminists now. They're appalling. They don't have my respect and unless you're a beta male, real men don't respect that sh*t either.
Doesn’t sadden you to think that you are becoming increasingly rare in today’s world, OregonBR?
I think it is rare until you look at the ranch/horse ladies that do everything. Many are here on BHW. They operate equipment, shoe horses (another thing I did when I was younger), work cattle. Those ladies are my hero's. Mostly it's survival and necessity that creates women of this type. If you want something, go get it. Don't be stopped by anything, when you hit roadblocks, go over or around. Or change the goal.
Whats sad as heck is the city women that are just clueless about their power and don't respect themselves. The first thing they have to get over is that life is fair. HAHA But that being true doesn't have to define anyone. | |
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