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Location: North Dakota | Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 3:35 PM Just Bring It - 2013-12-19 12:15 AM Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 3:06 PM justcruzin - 2013-12-18 6:07 PM grullagirl - 2013-12-18 6:56 AM I believe bad things happen in this world because as of now Satan is free to roam the earth. The bible says he's seeking whom he may devour. We were given free will and humans took their eyes off God and were deceived by Satan. We were not promised the earth would be a paradise any longer. The bible tells us there will be struggles here but we are promised a comforter. It is so easy to say there is no God because bad things happen but we are told in scripture they will happen. In my darkest hours His promises have proven true time and time again.
My question is why did the prayers of a 10 year old chid go unanswered? Free will? What does free will have to do with unanswered prayers? I understand the free will part, but what happened to "Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. "For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened." ????
Free will allowed the suffering, why did God not stop it?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus (a greek philosopher who died 200 years before Jesus was born ) https://bible.org/seriespage/why-there-evil-and-suffering I don't have any questions. Not about christianity, at least. Been there, done that. I've since been to many places around the world, and guess what? They all believe- just as strongly as you do- that their path is the only correct one! Because that is the culture that surrounds them. For those who were 'reborn'- it was the support network that buoyed them when they felt weak. I believe in Satan as much as I believe in God, the tooth fairy and Poseidon (or the other 2000+ documented deities in human history ). Other than influencing the laws I have to live by, usually by telling other people how they can live their lives (aren't you supposed to be free to find your own path? ) none of these supernatural entities has a direct effect on my life. Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. There is no evidence of divine intervention. If a sick child recovers, praise to the heavens, but if she does not- well, 'it was god's plan'. Why pray in the first place then? Do you know better than God's plan? Do you think if you send up enough wishes you'll change his all-seeing, all-knowing mind? A girl is raped, but that's not god's plan- that's Satan. God was aware that it was happening, and did nothing to stop it? In that light, I might be considered more ethical than God, because I would risk my mortal life to stop such a thing. Then the Rapist repents and accepts jesus as his savior and he's good to live in the kingdom of heaven for ever and ever? I'm only using christianity because it's the topic of most of the posters here. All three of the Abrahamic religions are very similar, though. Love me, or I'll torture you forever. Talk about an abusive relationship. I'm perfectly satisfied and joyously happy with the knowledge that life is short, and you get just one. I do not know what happens after I die, and I do not fear it. I take time to enjoy the things that make me smile. I do nice things for people. My loved ones do not wonder how I feel about them. I don't tell people I'll pray for them, I ask them how I can help. When I'm sick- I realize that having experienced that makes me appreciate feeling normal that much more. When I've had to deal with loss and strife, I take a look around me. As DH Lawrence wrote: “I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.” The experience of life is a fascinating journey, and regardless of whether you choose to believe you were put here for a reason, or the result of random occurrences over a long period of time, your existence is to be celebrated. Live your life and don't worry about trying to live other people's lives for them!
You asked the questions so I posted a site that answered them. I am not in any way trying to change you or force anything on you. I have been where you are and still struggle with it many times myself but one thing I do know is when I let Jesus into my life I am overall much happier. I am not a depressed person or unhappy but when I let Him in I have a feeling of fullfillment deep inside and am at peace with every worry I may have had which makes me that much happier in my life. So why not let Him in? I don't try to fight it but instead I take my questions and study what I can from the Bible in hopes to find my answers. That is just my personal experience. But like I said I have asked the exact same things you have and have felt the same way you do. I have just realized that I feel better with Him by my side then when I push him away. So I choose to believe.  | |
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | First off, I am not very religious. I do not read the Bible much. (It confuses me) and I do not attend chuch every Sunday. But I do believe in God. Why? It's just the feeling I get in my heart and soul. When I do go to church, I get a very overwhelming, emotional feeling. It makes me want to cry. Seriously. And that is in a good way. I don't know why. It's like I can feel Him. It's very comforting to know He is with me.
Merry Christmas!
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Location: La Vernia, TX | Just Bring It - 2013-12-19 12:45 AM Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 3:35 PM Just Bring It - 2013-12-19 12:15 AM Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 3:06 PM justcruzin - 2013-12-18 6:07 PM grullagirl - 2013-12-18 6:56 AM I believe bad things happen in this world because as of now Satan is free to roam the earth. The bible says he's seeking whom he may devour. We were given free will and humans took their eyes off God and were deceived by Satan. We were not promised the earth would be a paradise any longer. The bible tells us there will be struggles here but we are promised a comforter. It is so easy to say there is no God because bad things happen but we are told in scripture they will happen. In my darkest hours His promises have proven true time and time again.
My question is why did the prayers of a 10 year old chid go unanswered? Free will? What does free will have to do with unanswered prayers? I understand the free will part, but what happened to "Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. "For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened." ????
Free will allowed the suffering, why did God not stop it?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus (a greek philosopher who died 200 years before Jesus was born ) https://bible.org/seriespage/why-there-evil-and-suffering I don't have any questions. Not about christianity, at least. Been there, done that. I've since been to many places around the world, and guess what? They all believe- just as strongly as you do- that their path is the only correct one! Because that is the culture that surrounds them. For those who were 'reborn'- it was the support network that buoyed them when they felt weak. I believe in Satan as much as I believe in God, the tooth fairy and Poseidon (or the other 2000+ documented deities in human history ). Other than influencing the laws I have to live by, usually by telling other people how they can live their lives (aren't you supposed to be free to find your own path? ) none of these supernatural entities has a direct effect on my life. Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. There is no evidence of divine intervention. If a sick child recovers, praise to the heavens, but if she does not- well, 'it was god's plan'. Why pray in the first place then? Do you know better than God's plan? Do you think if you send up enough wishes you'll change his all-seeing, all-knowing mind? A girl is raped, but that's not god's plan- that's Satan. God was aware that it was happening, and did nothing to stop it? In that light, I might be considered more ethical than God, because I would risk my mortal life to stop such a thing. Then the Rapist repents and accepts jesus as his savior and he's good to live in the kingdom of heaven for ever and ever? I'm only using christianity because it's the topic of most of the posters here. All three of the Abrahamic religions are very similar, though. Love me, or I'll torture you forever. Talk about an abusive relationship. I'm perfectly satisfied and joyously happy with the knowledge that life is short, and you get just one. I do not know what happens after I die, and I do not fear it. I take time to enjoy the things that make me smile. I do nice things for people. My loved ones do not wonder how I feel about them. I don't tell people I'll pray for them, I ask them how I can help. When I'm sick- I realize that having experienced that makes me appreciate feeling normal that much more. When I've had to deal with loss and strife, I take a look around me. As DH Lawrence wrote: “I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.” The experience of life is a fascinating journey, and regardless of whether you choose to believe you were put here for a reason, or the result of random occurrences over a long period of time, your existence is to be celebrated. Live your life and don't worry about trying to live other people's lives for them! im in? I don't try to fight it but instead I take my questions and study what I can from the Bible in hopes to find my answers. That is just my personal experience. But like I said I have asked the exact same things you have and have felt the same way you do. I have just realized that I feel better with Him by my side then when I push him away. So I choose to believe.
I posted a qoute from Epicurus. Those weren't questions I was asking, it was rhetoric. I appreciate that you are trying to help, but believe me when I say I'm as solid in my beliefs as you are, if not more so, since I never wonder or have doubt. Don't get me wrong, I'm always willing to accept any new evidence that would change my mind. Angels, talking bushes on fire. All that stuff that worked in the OT- that would work for me. Have not seen any of it!
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| Murphy - 2013-12-18 10:43 AM crossspur - 2013-12-18 11:41 AM jenijill - 2013-12-18 10:20 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-18 9:50 AM jenijill - 2013-12-18 9:58 AM Im going to ask OP this, are you sure Christianity is what you are looking for. Before all of you christians jump on me, there are many religions in the world. Maybe you should look into other religions that may fit your ideals better. I am not a christian but I dont push my religion on others. I think if you are lost and floundering and can not find your way, you may not be looking in the right direction. A custom fit religion that adheres to one's personal desires? Rather than us giving into His will for us and accepting His gift to us? Exactly what Satan loves to hear. Getting us to even think along those lines allows Satan to get a foothold on us, he just wants an opening and he'll do the rest, if we let him. A discussion such as we are having in this forum can work for God or for Satan, it's according one's own personal conviction and strength. As we try so hard to have things our way and turn our backs on the gifts God has given (the scriptures to guide us, his forgiveness through Christ) as Satan convinces us that there are other better ways we only end up suffering the consequences while throwing away the most amazing gifts...abundant life, eternal life, forgiveness of our wrongs, peace that can only come through Him. Makes me sad to think that this happens to people.
in verses like these
Mathew 7:13-14
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Mathew 19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
I don't believe you have to go to church or that you have to be the same religion I am to enter into heaven, but I do believe you have to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and love him. That you have to confess your sins and ask him to be your savor & try very hard to be a good person & be kind to everyone.
As some have said " I would rather believe & find out I'm wrong than not believe & find out I'm wrong.
This is something I have though a lot about in my journey, the most important question about Christianity is who IS Jesus? Christians believe he is a real man, but he is the man that God has become, the Bible is the written words about the LIVING WORD and Jesus is the Word incarnate in human form. (read st. John - that is the theological gospel. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God...he Word became flesh)
He is fully man but not limited to just the man if that makes any sense. Knowing God isnt limited to just knowing about and believing in the human being called Jesus. The Word is present in all of creation and those who have lived by the Word (who is love and truth) truly KNOW God, not in a logical way but in a heart way. They receive that saving grace/light into their souls and are transformed by it, beginning in this life and continuing forever in the next. The goal of Christian life is to become one with God, to be filled with the Holy Spirit. The Church gives us tools (revealed to us by Christ) to help us with our journey in this life, Baptism, prayer, confession, and Holy Communion. These are all ways to help us recieve grace. The Holy Spirit works with the Christian from within, but also works with humanity from the outside. | |
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Location: North Dakota | Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 3:35 PM Just Bring It - 2013-12-19 12:15 AM Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 3:06 PM justcruzin - 2013-12-18 6:07 PM grullagirl - 2013-12-18 6:56 AM I believe bad things happen in this world because as of now Satan is free to roam the earth. The bible says he's seeking whom he may devour. We were given free will and humans took their eyes off God and were deceived by Satan. We were not promised the earth would be a paradise any longer. The bible tells us there will be struggles here but we are promised a comforter. It is so easy to say there is no God because bad things happen but we are told in scripture they will happen. In my darkest hours His promises have proven true time and time again. My question is why did the prayers of a 10 year old chid go unanswered? Free will? What does free will have to do with unanswered prayers? I understand the free will part, but what happened to "Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. "For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened." ????
Free will allowed the suffering, why did God not stop it? Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus (a greek philosopher who died 200 years before Jesus was born ) https://bible.org/seriespage/why-there-evil-and-suffering I don't have any questions. Not about christianity, at least. Been there, done that. I've since been to many places around the world, and guess what? They all believe- just as strongly as you do- that their path is the only correct one! Because that is the culture that surrounds them. For those who were 'reborn'- it was the support network that buoyed them when they felt weak. I believe in Satan as much as I believe in God, the tooth fairy and Poseidon (or the other 2000+ documented deities in human history ). Other than influencing the laws I have to live by, usually by telling other people how they can live their lives (aren't you supposed to be free to find your own path? ) none of these supernatural entities has a direct effect on my life. Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. There is no evidence of divine intervention. If a sick child recovers, praise to the heavens, but if she does not- well, 'it was god's plan'. Why pray in the first place then? Do you know better than God's plan? Do you think if you send up enough wishes you'll change his all-seeing, all-knowing mind? A girl is raped, but that's not god's plan- that's Satan. God was aware that it was happening, and did nothing to stop it? In that light, I might be considered more ethical than God, because I would risk my mortal life to stop such a thing. Then the Rapist repents and accepts jesus as his savior and he's good to live in the kingdom of heaven for ever and ever? I'm only using christianity because it's the topic of most of the posters here. All three of the Abrahamic religions are very similar, though. Love me, or I'll torture you forever. Talk about an abusive relationship. I'm perfectly satisfied and joyously happy with the knowledge that life is short, and you get just one. I do not know what happens after I die, and I do not fear it. I take time to enjoy the things that make me smile. I do nice things for people. My loved ones do not wonder how I feel about them. I don't tell people I'll pray for them, I ask them how I can help. When I'm sick- I realize that having experienced that makes me appreciate feeling normal that much more. When I've had to deal with loss and strife, I take a look around me. As DH Lawrence wrote: “I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.” The experience of life is a fascinating journey, and regardless of whether you choose to believe you were put here for a reason, or the result of random occurrences over a long period of time, your existence is to be celebrated. Live your life and don't worry about trying to live other people's lives for them!
Do you not feel that someone that sins but is truly sorry should be forgiven? I believe God knows a persons true heart more than they themselves. If a man does a horrible crime and rapes a girl but is truly sorry for his actions and has made the choice to change and open his heart to the Lord do you think he deserves to spend all eternity in hell for one horrible choice he made? Now I am not saying a man goes around murdering people and living a horrible sinful life then all of a sudden at his death bed asks for forgiveness should be forgiven because to me in his heart he does not truly feel sorry for what he has done. He is just scared of what will happen once he dies. That is showing that he feels sorry for himself but not for his victims and what he has done. God knows what is in our heart.
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Location: East Texas | God gave each of us the right of free will. He did not make us His puppets to dangle around and do what He wants us to do. He gives each of us a choice. The rapist chooses to rape; the murder chooses to kill; the liar choose to lie; the thief chooses to steal and so on and so on. That same free will gives us the choice to love God and follow His plan for our lives. Have you ever wanted someone to love you but they didn’t? Could you MAKE them love you? Of course not. His will for each of our lives is to love Him; love each other, and live a life helping others and making good choices. But because of that free will, some choose to love God and accept his forgiveness through a personal relationship with Jesus, and some choose to not accept the forgiveness He offers. Because God is God and His ways are higher than ours, we will never – this side of heaven – understand WHY he allows bad things to happen, but He does. Where is He when those bad things are happening? On His throne in heaven… the same place He was when your sin and my sin nailed His Son to the cross to die a cruel and long-suffering death for every rotten thing you and I have ever done. Did Jesus deserve that? Absolutely not… but He did it for us because that’s how much He loves us. So, when bad things happen to good people, just remember that the worst happened to His precious Son. God knew that His Son would pay the ultimate sacrifice for us when He made Adam and Eve and they used their free will to sin. God made this plan to save us from eternal separation from Him before He ever set the world into motion. All we have to do is accept, by faith. He has done all the rest! | |
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| Just Bring It - 2013-12-18 12:59 PM
"Sunday worship did not originate in the Bible, or in the reality of the events of the crucifixion and resurrection. All of the first Christians, including Peter, Paul, all of the apostles, Mary and Joseph, all of the people who wrote the Bible, and Jesus Christ Himself were seventh-day Sabbath keepers. All of them.
So, where did Sunday worship come from?
Gradually, the Roman empire that persecuted Christians began to adopt Christianity, or rather, its own self-serving version of Christianity, which was a blend of politics and religion, a little truth, but mostly outright Roman paganism - which included worship of the Roman sun god. Sunday worship came about as a pagan corruption of God's holy seventh-day Sabbath.
By the fourth century, only Jews (by then, God's Sabbath was becoming known as the "Jewish" Sabbath), and a relatively few true Christians, continued to observe the seventh-day Sabbath as God commanded everyone. There is only one true God, and one true Sabbath.
In 321, the Roman emperor Constantine issued an edict which outlawed work on the "venerable day of the sun," Sunday, and within 3 years the corrupted version of Christianity had become the official religion of the Roman empire. From that, the Roman Catholic Church, and its many Protestant daughter churches, got the commonly-accepted Sunday observance of today - utterly pagan in origin, and completely contrary to God's command.
Traditions of men cannot save you. Only the Truth, and genuine obedience to it, is the way to salvation. If you didn't know the truth about Sunday before, now you do. And God knows that you do."
Here are two examples of Sunday worship in the Bible:
1) On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7
2) Now concerning the collection for the saints; as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2
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Location: North Dakota | TXBO - 2013-12-18 5:32 PM Just Bring It - 2013-12-18 12:59 PM
"Sunday worship did not originate in the Bible, or in the reality of the events of the crucifixion and resurrection. All of the first Christians, including Peter, Paul, all of the apostles, Mary and Joseph, all of the people who wrote the Bible, and Jesus Christ Himself were seventh-day Sabbath keepers. All of them.
So, where did Sunday worship come from?
Gradually, the Roman empire that persecuted Christians began to adopt Christianity, or rather, its own self-serving version of Christianity, which was a blend of politics and religion, a little truth, but mostly outright Roman paganism - which included worship of the Roman sun god. Sunday worship came about as a pagan corruption of God's holy seventh-day Sabbath.
By the fourth century, only Jews (by then, God's Sabbath was becoming known as the "Jewish" Sabbath), and a relatively few true Christians, continued to observe the seventh-day Sabbath as God commanded everyone. There is only one true God, and one true Sabbath.
In 321, the Roman emperor Constantine issued an edict which outlawed work on the "venerable day of the sun," Sunday, and within 3 years the corrupted version of Christianity had become the official religion of the Roman empire. From that, the Roman Catholic Church, and its many Protestant daughter churches, got the commonly-accepted Sunday observance of today - utterly pagan in origin, and completely contrary to God's command.
Traditions of men cannot save you. Only the Truth, and genuine obedience to it, is the way to salvation. If you didn't know the truth about Sunday before, now you do. And God knows that you do."
1) On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7
2) Now concerning the collection for the saints; as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2
Because people also congregated on Sunday does that replace the Sabbath? Or should the Sabbath still be kept holy? I don't know of a place in the Bible that says that the holy day of the seventh day commanded by God is now replaced by the first day. I guess that is where I struggle. God commanded that the Sabbath day be kept holy so where does it say that He abolished that commandment? | |
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| Many comments here scream that many of you have never read the scriptures, but claim to be a believer.
Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.
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Location: North Dakota | Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 6:05 PM Many comments here scream that many of you have never read the scriptures, but claim to be a believer. Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.
No one came on here to be judged. Everyone on here is learning. Believing does not mean you are right in every way. Also who is to say who is right? Believing is just that....BELIEVING. I bet you believe surgery can save lives though you have never read a medical book. I will not judge others as I hope they will not judge me. Questions are asked by those who want to learn more. | |
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No one is judging you. Lots of visible fruit here though.
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. | |
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Location: Kentucky | Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 7:05 PM
Many comments here scream that many of you have never read the scriptures, but claim to be a believer.
Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.
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| Just Bring It - 2013-12-18 5:57 PM Because people also congregated on Sunday does that replace the Sabbath? Or should the Sabbath still be kept holy? I don't know of a place in the Bible that says that the holy day of the seventh day commanded by God is now replaced by the first day. I guess that is where I struggle. God commanded that the Sabbath day be kept holy so where does it say that He abolished that commandment? The Holy Day does not replace the sabbath. The law is upheld through Christ.
We get our rest through faith in him.
"Come to me all who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest." Mathew 11:28
This is confirmed by his words when twice questioned about his sabboth practices. Once when his disciples were picking grain and once when he healed somebody.
"The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabboth" Mathew 12:8
So Christ becomes our rest and our faith in him upholds keeping the sabboth holy.
"So then there remains a sabboth rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his." Hebrews 4:9-10
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| Scotch - 2013-12-18 4:50 PM First off, I am not very religious. I do not read the Bible much. (It confuses me) and I do not attend chuch every Sunday. But I do believe in God. Why? It's just the feeling I get in my heart and soul. When I do go to church, I get a very overwhelming, emotional feeling. It makes me want to cry. Seriously. And that is in a good way. I don't know why. It's like I can feel Him. It's very comforting to know He is with me.
Merry Christmas!
Just out of curiosity, if that's how you feel when you go to church, why don't you go more often? I feel that way, too, and I look forward to going to my church. Haven't felt like that about every church I've ever attended but I do now at my present church. | |
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Location: North Dakota | Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 6:29 PM Mathew 7: 15-20 No one is judging you. Lots of visible fruit here though. 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Who is a wolf in sheeps clothing? Who is trying to steer people away from God? This entire post was asking about what makes people believe and it got brought onto the Sabbath so then I asked what makes people believe that Sunday is the proper day for worship and that the day God commanded us to keep does not need to be kept holy anymore. Having different views, oppinions, beliefs, etc and having questions of those differences does not make someone wrong or "bad". This whole topic brought up great points that made us all look at what we believe and why. It also raised a lot of great questions! Why are questions a bad thing? Should we all just sit and allow someone to tell us what to believe and just believe it because they said so? Or should we ask questions to help us better understand? | |
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Location: North Dakota | I guess something I am learning is that Christ fulfilled the law on the cross. That I got but I never quite understood why was the Sabbath fulfilled but not the other commandments? We still should not murder. That is still a sin. Adultery is still a sin. So why not keeping the Sabbath? But what I am getting now is that the Sabbath is still the Sabbath but our Sabbath rest is fulfilled and our rest is placed on Another. Sunday is not Sabbath. It is a day of worship but not of rest. | |
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| It's perfectly fine for people to ask questions. There are people responding, that have no earthly idea what they are talking about.
Corinthians 11: 13-15
13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. | |
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| Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 7:13 PM It's perfectly fine for people to ask questions. There are people responding, that have no earthly idea what they are talking about. Corinthians 11: 13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
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