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Rodeo poll. Open to all? Or stay the same?
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Keep it traditional with separate men's events & women's events.152 Votes - [63.33%]
Open all events to either gender.77 Votes - [32.08%]
Neutral on this subject, don't feel strongly or unsure about it...6 Votes - [2.5%]
There is room for both venues.2 Votes - [0.83%]
Women can compete in all events already, open barrels up to men!3 Votes - [1.25%]
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Spring Fling
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2014-03-06 2:39 PM
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NJJ
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Posted 2014-03-06 2:41 PM
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 2:13 PM You all totally missed the point. I'm out! Won't argue with brock walls.
I got the point....you didn't even KNOW that the women can compete in the PRCA........ 
So I'm belittled because I openly stated my ignorance?

I could go on about the PWBR (NOT PBRA) and your misconceptions of the organization of that entity, etc....if you want....My point is that you need to do a little research into history and concepts of rodeo, etc before making broad statements..... 
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Nita
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Posted 2014-03-06 2:46 PM
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sodapop - 2014-03-03 11:45 PM  The PRCA should just ditch the WPRA and include barrel racing as part of the PRCA and include men. Then the men would be able to compete. Why do you think they won't do that? They were at odds one year with the WPRA and created a separate association for barrel racing and still didn't include men when they had the chance to make their own rules. They are a male dominated association. So why don't they make sure men are competing in barrel racing at their rodeos? As far as other rodeo associations, why aren't the men of those associations fighting for men to compete in the barrel racing at rodeos?
WPRA will sue just like they did when Sherri tried to create the PBRA. Keep it traditional. Men have 8 other events. Women have one. At least that they can make it to the NFR on.And yes the PRCA may be open to women (idk havmt read rules lately) but lets face it. Men are the superior gender and we can't compete with them in most of the events.

Including barrel racing?

When you look at riding abilities yes. Men are less inclined to be scared and are more aggressive. I love watching men run. They go all out! Its fun to watch and ot shows. Look at lance. Hes a master! Now this doesn't go for all men of course but for the majority. Anything horsey is dominated by men....except barrel racing. (Idk about englsh however) my best mentors have been men. I learned so much more from them because they are so full on and expect perfection. They are hard on their students and it shows in the end result. I'm a better rider because of them. More aggressive no fear.

What?!?!?
That's just narrow minded nonsense.
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MS2011
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-03-06 2:50 PM
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:50 PM  I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA.
 ^^^^ THIS is the biggest bunch of "bull pucky" that I have ever read......I have competed against my hubby in sorting and penning and you can bet your a$$ I have beat him. And you know what......he doesn't feel one bit "diminished".........he is PROUD !!!
You do realize I said bull riding. ...a MANS sport. And to each their own. I wouldn't do that to my husband in a MANS sport. Sorting and penning is open to everyone and women regularly compete. Always have. Barrel racing hasnt. Its traditiona a WOMANS sport as is all other RODEO events a MANS sport.
So now you have thrown out English, Sorting, Penning.....so you must mean "rough stock" ONLY......Because I know some pretty "Salty" WOMEN Cutters and Reiners....oh, and they beat their husbands too........ 
I've beat my ex plenty of times in cutting. But it isn't tradtionally a man's sport.
I'm hopelessly confused by this....... What equine sports do you see as men's only?

Based of this statement, "Anything horsey is dominated by men....except barrel racing. (Idk about englsh however)"  It sounds like you think cutting/sorting/reining/roping would all be "men's" events?

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Nita
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2014-03-06 2:58 PM
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HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 1:28 PM So I guess to say Sherry Cervi is "World Champion" is a little misleading then?  She is "Women's Barrel Racing World Champion".  That's pretty accurate, correct?  If men aren't allowed to compete against her then maybe there really should be an asterisk next to her title.
Then every man who has ever won a world title should have that same asterick. Because he never once competed against a Women to get that title.

But was that because women were banned from competing?

No but me as a woman I know I can't compete against a man in their sport. Not to mention how would a man feel if a woman went in and kicked their butts at bull riding. Hed feel about an inch tall. I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it.

This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport?

Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA.

Oh, it's a gender issue alright. And not fair to all women that you lump them in with yourself... You, as a lesser woman, can't compete is what your post should have said. That does NOT go for me and it doesn't go for all women.

And the way I view my husband, is that he is more of a man because he doesn't need to be with a weak woman in order for him to feel like a man. He is capable of competing and doesn't need others to lay down so he can win.
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Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-03-06 3:24 PM
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Spring Fling - 2014-03-06 2:39 PM This is what I'm talking about: http://theuspatriot.com/2014/02/26/female-apache-pilot-takes-out-ta... You go, Girl! :)

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Posted 2014-03-06 4:03 PM
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Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2014-03-06 4:34 PM
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HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 1:28 PM So I guess to say Sherry Cervi is "World Champion" is a little misleading then?  She is "Women's Barrel Racing World Champion".  That's pretty accurate, correct?  If men aren't allowed to compete against her then maybe there really should be an asterisk next to her title.
Then every man who has ever won a world title should have that same asterick. Because he never once competed against a Women to get that title.
But was that because women were banned from competing?
No but me as a woman I know I can't compete against a man in their sport. Not to mention how would a man feel if a woman went in and kicked their butts at bull riding. Hed feel about an inch tall. I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA.












I encourage you to read The Lottery by Shirley Jackson. It's an interesting take on tradition...
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Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-03-06 5:02 PM
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 1:31 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-03-06 1:28 PM So I guess to say Sherry Cervi is "World Champion" is a little misleading then?  She is "Women's Barrel Racing World Champion".  That's pretty accurate, correct?  If men aren't allowed to compete against her then maybe there really should be an asterisk next to her title.
Then every man who has ever won a world title should have that same asterick. Because he never once competed against a Women to get that title.
But was that because women were banned from competing?
No but me as a woman I know I can't compete against a man in their sport. Not to mention how would a man feel if a woman went in and kicked their butts at bull riding. Hed feel about an inch tall. I'd never compete against my husband. I want to boost his ego not beat it. This isn't just a gender subject its a morals issues as well I think. I'd never want to make a man feel less than me. My husband wouldn't ever try to beat me in my sport as I won't his. Its a mutual respect for EACH others sport and neither wants to up another just to prove they can. Why can't be happy woth what they do have IDK. why not respect the tradition and not try upstage women in the last truly female sport? Same for women. Women shouldn't try to compete PRCA. That's why we have WPRA.
Oh, it's a gender issue alright. And not fair to all women that you lump them in with yourself... You, as a lesser woman, can't compete is what your post should have said. That does NOT go for me and it doesn't go for all women. And the way I view my husband, is that he is more of a man because he doesn't need to be with a weak woman in order for him to feel like a man. He is capable of competing and doesn't need others to lay down so he can win.

I will admit, I LOVE to beat my husband where and win I can.   He is a man's man and nothing I do is going to change that.  It p@@@sses me off when I cannot do something he can just because I am not as strong as he is.  We used to play tennis, a pretty even sport for both genders.  I was good, he was not but he would hoot and holler to distract me, make me laugh everytime I had a shot I would miss. OMgoodness I would get so mad at him.
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Posted 2014-03-06 5:57 PM
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sodapop - 2014-03-03 11:45 PM  The PRCA should just ditch the WPRA and include barrel racing as part of the PRCA and include men. Then the men would be able to compete. Why do you think they won't do that? They were at odds one year with the WPRA and created a separate association for barrel racing and still didn't include men when they had the chance to make their own rules. They are a male dominated association. So why don't they make sure men are competing in barrel racing at their rodeos? As far as other rodeo associations, why aren't the men of those associations fighting for men to compete in the barrel racing at rodeos?
WPRA will sue just like they did when Sherri tried to create the PBRA. Keep it traditional. Men have 8 other events. Women have one. At least that they can make it to the NFR on.And yes the PRCA may be open to women (idk havmt read rules lately) but lets face it. Men are the superior gender and we can't compete with them in most of the events.
Including barrel racing?
When you look at riding abilities yes. Men are less inclined to be scared and are more aggressive. I love watching men run. They go all out! Its fun to watch and ot shows. Look at lance. Hes a master! Now this doesn't go for all men of course but for the majority. Anything horsey is dominated by men....except barrel racing. (Idk about englsh however) my best mentors have been men. I learned so much more from them because they are so full on and expect perfection. They are hard on their students and it shows in the end result. I'm a better rider because of them. More aggressive no fear.
So.....why not allow them to compete?  If they don't dominate barrel racing, what's the purpose of selectively locking them out?
If men are allowed to run at PRCA rodeos before long it too will be dominated by men as well. By locking men out it allows women to showcase in their sport. Barrel racing was created by WOMEN so they could have something to do besides cheer their husbands on at rodeos. They wanted to compete and instead of raising hell to compete in the MENS events they created their own, so keeping with tradition it should strictly be a women's sport at professional rodeos. Men can still compete at top events in barrel racing. Keep actual rodeo traditional and only allow women to race. If PRCA were to open all events to women then I would say open barrel racing to men. But not until then.
I wish you could have a conversation with one of the founding members of the GRA and maybe you would be a little more respectful of what they accomplished.

Women ARE allowed in every PRCA event by the way.  The WPRA is the sanctioning body for barrel racing in the NFR...that's why men are not allowed.  It's a WOMEN'S association. If there are men that feel strongly enough about this subject then they should follow the path of the ladies of the GRA and do something about it.
This discussion IS doing something about it.  Changes don't just happen out of the blue.  The pros and cons are discussed and debated.  
That's what we are doing.  
 Unless someone on here is petitioning the WPRA to change their rules and allow men then nothing is going to be changed by the discussion on this thread. If a rule change is truly what someone wants, then he or she should take action, not just discuss it here.

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Posted 2014-03-06 6:10 PM
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Posted 2014-03-06 8:09 PM
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-06 12:22 PM
WPRA will sue just like they did when Sherri tried to create the PBRA. Keep it traditional. Men have 8 other events. Women have one. At least that they can make it to the NFR on.And yes the PRCA may be open to women (idk havmt read rules lately) but lets face it. Men are the superior gender and we can't compete with them in most of the events.

 Oh my........ please learn a bit about what actually happened before trying to use it as an argument.

Someone named Sherri did not try to create the "PBRA" .  At least nothing that was attached to the PRCA.  But then again I am trying to come up with 9 Pro Rodeo events.

And once again..........  Women are allowed  and have purchased PRCA cards for years.  They also compete both in timed events and rough stock.

I am actually sorry that you believe it takes more brute power to ride a well trained horse (any discipline) then it does actual horsemanship.  Not to mention some very talented women trainers. 
Men maybe the superior gender in your world.  In mine they are equal.  All people have strengths and weakness does not make them better than the next as a human. 

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Posted 2014-03-06 8:22 PM
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elmer fud
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-03-06 8:43 PM
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Bottom line has anyone seen women any NFR event besides the barrel race. They may can enter , but they cannot beat men in the other events. Some women do enter team roping, but in certain score lines they can't be as competitive when a man can throw harder, and much longer loop.


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Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2014-03-06 8:56 PM
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WPRA will sue just like they did when Sherri tried to create the PBRA. Keep it traditional. Men have 8 other events. Women have one. At least that they can make it to the NFR on.And yes the PRCA may be open to women (idk havmt read rules lately) but lets face it. Men are the superior gender and we can't compete with them in most of the events.

 Oh my........ please learn a bit about what actually happened before trying to use it as an argument.

Someone named Sherri did not try to create the "PBRA" .  At least nothing that was attached to the PRCA.  But then again I am trying to come up with 9 Pro Rodeo events.

And once again..........  Women are allowed  and have purchased PRCA cards for years.  They also compete both in timed events and rough stock.

I am actually sorry that you believe it takes more brute power to ride a well trained horse (any discipline) then it does actual horsemanship.  Not to mention some very talented women trainers. 
Men maybe the superior gender in your world.  In mine they are equal.  All people have strengths and weakness does not make them better than the next as a human. 

karen  

Thank you Karen- you took the words right out of my mouth.

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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-03-06 10:24 PM
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Who is this badass beauty?

That would be me.  Your favorite in your face bull-s-it, what's your problem poster. That was Bodacious by the way, scored a 99. "That's my story and I sticking to it."  Everybody sing.
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Who is this badass beauty?
That would be me.  Your favorite in your face bull-s-it, what's your problem poster. That was Bodacious by the way, scored a 99. "That's my story and I sticking to it."  Everybody sing.

Ha ha ha ha ha, love it... And thats my story and I AM sticking with it  You go girl   
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SKM - 2014-03-05 6:36 AM

I think Pro Sanctioned rodeo's should stay the same. Sorry boys.

Barrel racing is a sport that was created BY women FOR women at a time when equality did not exist. It gave woman a chance to go to the rodeo's and compete in a venue dominated by men that, at that time, thought women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.

It was women that fought for it to get to the point it is now. It was women that got equal pay when it was a sport that wasn't given hardly any payback but the men were able to make a living at it.

Progress is good and the 4D format really opened up barrel racing for all ages, sexes. types of horses, etc. so it isn't like men are shut out of the sport entirely.

But even in today's world of "equality", women are still mocked and looked down on. In a lot of places, a woman can do the same job as a man and the woman still gets paid less. Things are still NOT equal by any stretch of the imagination. So I am going to be selfish and say that as long as we are still NOT equal in other aspects of life, then why should the men be able to ride of the shirt tails of the hard work WOMEN put in when they came up with the barrel racing concept as it pertains to Pro sanctioned rodeo's?

Flame suit zipped and on. Sorry if this comment offends some. But at least we still have Freedom Of Speech and this is what I truly believe.
 

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