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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2015-07-01 11:27 AM I don't like judicial activism either, but in this case, I think the court's ruling just helped to accelerate the inevitable. There will be aftershocks of one form or another, but for all intents and purposes, this matter is well on it's way to the ash heap of history, along with segregation, Naziism, the KKK, the struggle for women's suffrage, and other manifestations of bigotry. I don't think any church ought to be forced to have gay marriages, but I leave that up to gay people to work through this as it evolves. I keep hearing rumblings that this acceptance of the so-called "gay sin" will somehow catalyze the ultimate doom and destruction of this republic....that by accepting these so-called "sinners" we are rejecting God. Personally, I don't think so. Being gay is not some contagious illness or vice. If there is somehow a "jump" in the percentage of gay people among us, I think it will merely be a manifestation of the shackles being released from a good many tortured souls who heretofore been compelled to live in a secret prison. Homosexuality has been with mankind since our inception, just like lying, cheating, stealing, coveting, and adultery. Hopefully, now the politicians have one less diversion away from more pressing, critical matters that can be improved upon.
Many/some churches believe it's a sin to curse, drink, gamble, dance, for women to wear pants or swimsuits, have sex outside of marriage, divorce and remarry...and yet all these things are legal. I really can't see this one thing being the beginning of the end, other than the hatefulness that some on both sides of the issue are expressing. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-07-01 11:53 AM
Bear - 2015-07-01 11:27 AM I don't like judicial activism either, but in this case, I think the court's ruling just helped to accelerate the inevitable. There will be aftershocks of one form or another, but for all intents and purposes, this matter is well on it's way to the ash heap of history, along with segregation, Naziism, the KKK, the struggle for women's suffrage, and other manifestations of bigotry. I don't think any church ought to be forced to have gay marriages, but I leave that up to gay people to work through this as it evolves. I keep hearing rumblings that this acceptance of the so-called "gay sin" will somehow catalyze the ultimate doom and destruction of this republic....that by accepting these so-called "sinners" we are rejecting God. Personally, I don't think so. Being gay is not some contagious illness or vice. If there is somehow a "jump" in the percentage of gay people among us, I think it will merely be a manifestation of the shackles being released from a good many tortured souls who heretofore been compelled to live in a secret prison. Homosexuality has been with mankind since our inception, just like lying, cheating, stealing, coveting, and adultery. Hopefully, now the politicians have one less diversion away from more pressing, critical matters that can be improved upon.
 Many/some churches believe it's a sin to curse, drink, gamble, dance, for women to wear pants or swimsuits, have sex outside of marriage, divorce and remarry...and yet all these things are legal.  I really can't see this one thing being the beginning of the end, other than the hatefulness that some on both sides of the issue are expressing. Â
I don't believe churches can or should be forced to change doctrine. If they choose to ask for forgiveness for their sins, and, among them they include homosexuality, then so be it. A lot of people go to church on Sunday and ask forgiveness for the sins they commit every day. If they maintain that homosexuality is a sin, like all the rest, then homosexuals might seek out another place of worship, just like they can buy a cake at a different bakery. Perhaps they will find a nice Catholic Church. Lord knows, there's no shortage of hypocritical gay priests there. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Trying to force a specific church to perform a gay marriage is ridiculous. There are some churches welcoming to perform gay marriages. They should seek those churches out. | |
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Location: Armuchee, GA, NW section of Ga | Now that a few others have joined in this thread, I'll step back into the conversation to voice a little more.
I'm a firm believer of choice, AND a believer of stepping up & taking consequences of said choices, but if you have the guts to do or say whatever, then by all means have the guts to take the hits too. It is part of being human and a mature adult. If a kid, it builds character.....or so they say. I'm not a believer of bulling of any kind. Physical, mental or verbal. A lot of gay people have seen or heard a lot of stuff aimed directly at them. They buckle or get stronger. unfortunately in the church it can be devastating with their faith. The love they once felt in their beliefs now is shaken deeply. if God is all loving, and preached the power of Love, how can the followers preach hate. Judgement is NOT theirs.
I also believe the total separation of church and govnment. For example, if the churches want all the tax credits/exemptions & other perks they get from the government, they must accept government laws. When the churches lose the exemptions then perhaps money talks louder than their hate?
I also agree, now that equal rights are now finally passed onto gays, perhaps the government will now focus on something much more pressing matters that this administration has pulled the American people into. Believe me, there is a lot. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2015-07-01 12:05 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-07-01 11:53 AM Bear - 2015-07-01 11:27 AM I don't like judicial activism either, but in this case, I think the court's ruling just helped to accelerate the inevitable. There will be aftershocks of one form or another, but for all intents and purposes, this matter is well on it's way to the ash heap of history, along with segregation, Naziism, the KKK, the struggle for women's suffrage, and other manifestations of bigotry. I don't think any church ought to be forced to have gay marriages, but I leave that up to gay people to work through this as it evolves. I keep hearing rumblings that this acceptance of the so-called "gay sin" will somehow catalyze the ultimate doom and destruction of this republic....that by accepting these so-called "sinners" we are rejecting God. Personally, I don't think so. Being gay is not some contagious illness or vice. If there is somehow a "jump" in the percentage of gay people among us, I think it will merely be a manifestation of the shackles being released from a good many tortured souls who heretofore been compelled to live in a secret prison. Homosexuality has been with mankind since our inception, just like lying, cheating, stealing, coveting, and adultery. Hopefully, now the politicians have one less diversion away from more pressing, critical matters that can be improved upon. Many/some churches believe it's a sin to curse, drink, gamble, dance, for women to wear pants or swimsuits, have sex outside of marriage, divorce and remarry...and yet all these things are legal. I really can't see this one thing being the beginning of the end, other than the hatefulness that some on both sides of the issue are expressing. I don't believe churches can or should be forced to change doctrine. If they choose to ask for forgiveness for their sins, and, among them they include homosexuality, then so be it. A lot of people go to church on Sunday and ask forgiveness for the sins they commit every day. If they maintain that homosexuality is a sin, like all the rest, then homosexuals might seek out another place of worship, just like they can buy a cake at a different bakery. Perhaps they will find a nice Catholic Church. Lord knows, there's no shortage of hypocritical gay priests there.
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Location: NE Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-07-01 12:26 PM
Trying to force a specific church to perform a gay marriage is ridiculous. There are some churches welcoming to perform gay marriages. They should seek those churches out.Â
Im gay and I agree. Is the argument settled? Please say yes. My head hurts from all the rainbows and hurling bibles. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | reese_tx - 2015-07-01 3:00 PM Nevertooold - 2015-07-01 12:26 PM Trying to force a specific church to perform a gay marriage is ridiculous. There are some churches welcoming to perform gay marriages. They should seek those churches out. Im gay and I agree. Is the argument settled? Please say yes. My head hurts from all the rainbows and hurling bibles.
I couldn't agree more! 
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Location: My perfect world bubble | The biggest winners in all this are the Divorce Lawyers!!!! With more than 50% of marriages ending in divoce - more money for them!! Cha-Ching!!!  | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2015-07-01 1:26 PM Trying to force a specific church to perform a gay marriage is ridiculous. There are some churches welcoming to perform gay marriages. They should seek those churches out.
I agree too. And that is what I tell my son and his friends also. And, if the baker doesn't want to bake you a cake, go somewhere, where the person is proud to do you a good job, smile and take your money.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Paintbrlrcr - 2015-07-01 3:09 PM
The biggest winners in all this are the Divorce Lawyers!!!! With more than 50% of marriages ending in divoce - more money for them!! Cha-Ching!!! Â
LMAO!!!! Good point. I never thought of that! | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | reese_tx - 2015-07-01 3:00 PM Nevertooold - 2015-07-01 12:26 PM Trying to force a specific church to perform a gay marriage is ridiculous. There are some churches welcoming to perform gay marriages. They should seek those churches out. Im gay and I agree. Is the argument settled? Please say yes. My head hurts from all the rainbows and hurling bibles.
For real. I'm having trouble keeping up with who I'm talking to on FB because those rainbow filters make them all look alike. LOL | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Three 4 Luck - 2015-07-01 4:13 PM reese_tx - 2015-07-01 3:00 PM Nevertooold - 2015-07-01 12:26 PM Trying to force a specific church to perform a gay marriage is ridiculous. There are some churches welcoming to perform gay marriages. They should seek those churches out. Im gay and I agree. Is the argument settled? Please say yes. My head hurts from all the rainbows and hurling bibles.
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| janjan1 - 2015-07-01 12:26 PM
Now that a few others have joined in this thread, I'll step back into the conversation to voice a little more.
I'm a firm believer of choice, AND a believer of stepping up & taking consequences of said choices, but if you have the guts to do or say whatever, then by all means have the guts to take the hits too. It is part of being human and a mature adult. If a kid, it builds character.....or so they say. I'm not a believer of bulling of any kind. Physical, mental or verbal. A lot of gay people have seen or heard a lot of stuff aimed directly at them. They buckle or get stronger. unfortunately in the church it can be devastating with their faith. The love they once felt in their beliefs now is shaken deeply. if God is all loving, and preached the power of Love, how can the followers preach hate. Judgement is NOT theirs.
I also believe the total separation of church and govnment. For example, if the churches want all the tax credits/exemptions & other perks they get from the government, they must accept government laws. When the churches lose the exemptions then perhaps money talks louder than their hate?
I also agree, now that equal rights are now finally passed onto gays, perhaps the government will now focus on something much more pressing matters that this administration has pulled the American people into. Believe me, there is a lot.
So basically what your saying is if the church refuses to marry gay people, it is because they are haters? This is the problem with society. If you don't agree with something, you are a hater. Tolerance is preached, but only if you agree. | |
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TXBO - 2015-06-29 5:38 PM
oija - 2015-06-29 5:30 PM TXBO - 2015-06-29 5:16 PM oija - 2015-06-29 4:58 PM And the Articles of Confederation is completely left field. Founding document or not it was scrapped because IT DIDNT WORK. It was a bad model so they came up with something better. As it is not law of the land, i refuse to refer to it. I care about what is relevant.... Interesting fact for you.... "Separation of Church and state" and "religious tolerance" were both "scrapped' language by the founding fathers. Like the Articles of Confederation, they were both rejected for 'something better".
 They were adopted by the Supreme Court later though and particularly defended in 1947. From the constitution, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make. The court is given jurisdiction to law and fact (thus to interpret cases and be the final word on legality ) unless Congress says otherwise.  it was scrapped because IT DIDNT WORK. It was a bad model so they came up with something better. As it is not law of the land, i refuse to refer to it. I care about what is relevant"...., you'd agree that it was judicial activism? You're ok with the Supreme Court justices violating your personal sensibilities?
Yup. It was legal pure and simple. I promise you it violated a lot of people's 'personal sensibilities' when they got rid of segregation. Still needed to be done. Government cannot act like individuals. It must act for the public good. Plenty of sins can be committed under the search for public good but plenty of great things have happened too including rights for blacks and women to vote. It ain't perfect but it's what we got. So we work with the system. If I disagree I can vote differently or run for office myself and try to get something done.
If you disagree with something, you sure can vote....and then the SCOTUS will come in and do whatever they want.....regardless of what 50,000,000 voters have decided....sigh.... | |
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| janjan1 - 2015-07-01 12:26 PM .... I also believe the total separation of church and govnment. For example, if the churches want all the tax credits/exemptions & other perks they get from the government, they must accept government laws. When the churches lose the exemptions then perhaps money talks louder than their hate? A "total separation of church and government" wouldn't permit any taxation on religious organizations nor would it allow for an exemption to be filed.
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | Paintbrlrcr - 2015-07-01 2:09 PM
The biggest winners in all this are the Divorce Lawyers!!!! With more than 50% of marriages ending in divoce - more money for them!! Cha-Ching!!! Â
This was exactly my first thought!!! | |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Nevertooold - 2015-07-01 12:26 PM
Trying to force a specific church to perform a gay marriage is ridiculous. There are some churches welcoming to perform gay marriages. They should seek those churches out.Â
 Well said. This is my one real issue with all that is taking place. Being a Christian, I am not going to judge someone for being gay. I love each person individually as long, as they are kind to me, my family and others. However, I have a REAL problem with all lawsuits that already starting trying to FORCE pastors of specific faiths to marry gay couples. All people want to be treated equally and with respect and to me that includes honoring someone's religious beliefs. So if a pastor/priest/ judge does not believe in a marriage outside of a man & a woman, move on down the street and find the next one that does. I know personally if I was standing their on my wedding day, I would want to know the person marrying us BELIEVED in our future and was not just standing there because of some lawsuit. | |
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Location: Tennessee | reese_tx - 2015-07-01 3:00 PM
Nevertooold - 2015-07-01 12:26 PM
Trying to force a specific church to perform a gay marriage is ridiculous. There are some churches welcoming to perform gay marriages. They should seek those churches out.Â
Im gay and I agree. Is the argument settled? Please say yes. My head hurts from all the rainbows and hurling bibles.
Besides, who wants someone to marry them that doesn't believe in it? I know I certainly wouldn't want that. For example, when we hired a photographer, we made sure she knew we were a same sex couple and that she was comfortable with it. I would never want to put someone in that situation, nor would I want to be in that situation. If she had not been ok with it, we would have simply chosen someone else, no big deal. | |
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Location: Armuchee, GA, NW section of Ga | Perhaps "hate" is too strong of a word, intolerance of that particular sin may be a better wording. Or even a strong dislike of that one, but tolerant of other sins which society has accepted over time? divorce, smoking, drinking, cursing.. etc. Yes hate maybe too strong of a word, but sometimes well intentioned people actually become so intolerant that it does become hate....
Tolerance of others, because their opinions, choices, life styles and other individual attributes they may have, makes each person an unique individual, may be totally different than yours. You make like one of their unique attributes but not another, but that is ok. Each to their own.. | |
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Location: Colorado | 3canstorun - 2015-07-01 7:39 AM janjan1 - 2015-06-30 10:38 PM Well after reading all 8 pages of everyone offering opinions regarding this, I've yet to hear of someone who admitting they are gay or their family members are gay and how they feel about this now legal order from the SC. So let me start off the conversation as a Christian mother of a gay child. When I say child, she is 35 years old, professional, well educated & well beyond the age of needing me or anyone else's approval over her personal life. Sure I will admit that I wish things were different, and I only say that because I wish she didn't have to hide her true feelings or the heart ache that comes along with her having to suffer thru stupid comments made over the years, such as...you know you Are going to Hell...How can you do this to the family...can't you go into therapy and change being gay?..... All these comments were made by family members, yes good ole long time Christian Southern Baptists. Has anyone ever wanted the best for your kids? Well I do too. I want her to be happy. I want her to have someone to love. And I want her to have the option to marry too, to live her life as she chooses with whomever, no matter the sex of that person. Who are we to make personal decisions or choices for some one else? Oh we say we do make the choices because we love them, but let them make their own. I am proud that now because of the Supreme Court ruling she can, and I'll be dammed if someone takes that choice away from her. So now, I'll step off the soap box and let someone else up if they will.
Welcome to my world. While there are a lot of really nice people on here, be prepared to receive a lot of PM's from "well meaning" Christians on here to tell you that your daughter (in my case son) was going to burn in hell., etc., etc. That you must have raised her some "strange" way, that you yourself are "screwed" in the head. Yes, folks, BHW is full of them.
Carry on - my rant is over.
I am SO sorry that fellow board members would do this.
What ever happened to treating others as you would be treated? Seems some need to look in the mirror before judging others.
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