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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM
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komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.Â
 So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?Â
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"? I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here. In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65. Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over. http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Thank you for that information but I am still confused....My husband is 71 years old and gets free VA care. He does pay Part A & B Medicare ($104/month) and VA bills them first.....but he pays nothing. | |
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| komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.Â
 So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
If he was honorably discharged after 20 years he can walk into any VA Hospital in the country and get free care.
If he chooses to not use the VA(don't blame him) tri-care will handle any public sector/private care. It takes some hoops to jump thru but it is done every day.
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2015-07-22 8:23 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"? I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here. In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65. Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over. http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu... Thank you for that information but I am still confused....My husband is 71 years old and gets free VA care. He does pay Part A & B Medicare ($104/month) and VA bills them first.....but he pays nothing.
He was only 62 when they passed this but he lost his free care when this happened. | |
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| komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.Â
 So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?Â
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Tricare basic is still free to any vet. The two higher levels you have to pay extra for. So when you say they took away his free health care that is not true. Your Father must not have not liked the basic Tricare and elected to buy one of the higher plans. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-07-22 8:53 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM
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komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.Â
 So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?Â
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Tricare basic is still free to any vet. The two higher levels you have to pay extra for. So when you say they took away his free health care that is not true. Your Father must not have not liked the basic Tricare and elected to buy one of the higher plans.
You completely miss the CONTRACT and FREE points he was given when he retired after giving 20 years of his life to get them. | |
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| komet. - 2015-07-22 9:00 PM
jbhoot - 2015-07-22 8:53 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.Â
 So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?Â
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Tricare basic is still free to any vet. The two higher levels you have to pay extra for. So when you say they took away his free health care that is not true. Your Father must not have not liked the basic Tricare and elected to buy one of the higher plans.
You completely miss the CONTRACT and FREE points he was given when he retired after giving 20 years of his life to get them.
Oh for crying out loud Komet READ YOUR OWN ATTACHMENT!!!! It is still free for the basic Tricare. Your Fathers CONTRACT WAS NOT BROKEN. It may not have been the health care he wanted but it was still free. And so is any VA facility. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-07-22 9:17 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 9:00 PM
jbhoot - 2015-07-22 8:53 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.Â
 So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?Â
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Tricare basic is still free to any vet. The two higher levels you have to pay extra for. So when you say they took away his free health care that is not true. Your Father must not have not liked the basic Tricare and elected to buy one of the higher plans.
You completely miss the CONTRACT and FREE points he was given when he retired after giving 20 years of his life to get them.
Oh for crying out loud Komet READ YOUR OWN ATTACHMENT!!!! It is still free for the basic Tricare. Your Fathers CONTRACT WAS NOT BROKEN. It may not have been the health care he wanted but it was still free. And so is any VA facility.
Go read it yourself!!!! Basic is not what he was promised by the military.... Turns out they didn't have the authority to promise this like they did from 1956-1992.. Congress never approved it. They knew about it but never did anything to stop it. I don't know about where you come from but I was raised to understand a person's word was their bond... The word BASIC was never mentioned before tricare... Health care is HEALTH CARE!! Now that he is old they have shunted him aside. He did computer work for years at below standard wages on the promise that would be made up for after he retired. If you think its free maybe you could go help him pay his bills from that accident. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
Show me where he reneged on a promise. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-07-22 10:59 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
Show me where he reneged on a promise.
I'll let the fine people in Wisconsin lay that out for you. I'm sure they will want to start out with how he busted the unions and came down on collective bargaining and passed Act 10, then started screwing with the wages and pensions of state workers. Not to mention all the great things he did for education in that state. This is not a man I would want to see get control of this country. | |
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Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I think it would about the best thing that could ever happen to this country if someone was elected that was strong enough to defund some of the crap that we pay for.
Digging out of a hole is a good thing
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Location: SE Louisiana | arion - 2015-07-23 8:19 AM
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Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I think it would about the best thing that could ever happen to this country if someone was elected that was strong enough to defund some of the crap that we pay for.
Digging out of a hole is a good thing
That's ok if he can defund stuff.. But traditionally politicians don't do that. They raise taxes and immediately find something new to spend it on instead of paying down on the debt. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
Digging out of a hole is a BAD thing????? How? Remember that his predecessor left the state 3.6 BILLION $$$$ in the hole! Should he have just kept digging that hole? ANY time that anyone (government or businesses) cut the waste, you are going to have disgruntled people....why? because their "gravy train" has hit a speed bump!!!
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site…… | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2015-07-23 8:34 AM
komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site……
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2015-07-23 8:34 AM
komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site……
You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-07-23 3:20 AM
Bear - 2015-07-22 10:59 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
Show me where he reneged on a promise.
I'll let the fine people in Wisconsin lay that out for you. I'm sure they will want to start out with how he busted the unions and came down on collective bargaining and passed Act 10, then started screwing with the wages and pensions of state workers. Not to mention all the great things he did for education in that state. This is not a man I would want to see get control of this country.
Now you sound like a politician. You pull out an accusation about Walker's agenda in Wisconsin, you said he "reneged", and when asked to specify where he reneged, you lateral that football to the "fine people of Wisconsin" to come up with the specifics. You didn't have any specifics so you bailed by deferring to someone else. No doubt you will be scurrying around to come up with something, now that your ducking away has been highlighted.
Walker had the balls to stand up to the unions, and he won every time they took him on. He knew they would stop at nothing to destroy him, but he saw a growing problem with the deficit. The guy survived a recall election....the only time that's been done. The "good people of Wisconsin" showed their support of Walker 3 times in 4 years. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | komet. - 2015-07-23 8:47 AM NJJ - 2015-07-23 8:34 AM komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site…… You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit.
Your posts make absolutely no sense. First you whine about the cuts that Walker made "has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole." and then you turn around and state that no politician will actually cut things to 'dig out of a hole'.... wth are you smoking this morning? | |
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