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Location: Florida | rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks?  I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 10:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home. That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed. And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created.
Not to mention sending them home with 2 hours of homework when they have had our kids all day. Seriously, when are they supposed to do chores, paticipate in sports and play outside. | |
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| 1DSoon - 2016-10-19 10:44 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 11:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I don't disagree with anything you said here.
But I have to ask. When and why does this become societies responsiblity?
THere used to be, and there should be consequences for doing dumb things. Stupid should hurt. And if the Gov. bails you out when you do dumb sheet there is no motivation to learn not to be dumb.
It's tough, harsh, calloused, I realize that. But it's also the truth.
As I stated earlier in this thread, hunger is inspirational.
Couldn't agree more with 1D. I saw a post where a 24 single mom, never married, was asking what was going to be done for her to make it easier for her to complete her education. Now I will right up front agree that her completing her education is a great thing but her expectation that something should be done for her because of the situation she created is the problem. Guess what, it is going to be tough and hard but if you keep working at it you will come out ahead in the other side. | |
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Location: East Texas | Well, this thread has been all over the place. It has now gotten into education. I have been a HS science teacher and coach for the last 20 years. I have taught at schools that were mostly all one race or the other, rich or poor, and everything in between. I am currently at a school that is 1/3 black, Hispanic, and white, and 95% are econ. disadvantaged.
Some were talking about the education system being broken, and others mentioned family and society being broken. The problem is people expect the govt. to fix the problem and their solution is always is to create a program and spend more money. The problem with that is the same as it is with most things the govt. does. They are treating the symptoms instead of the cause. If I have students from families that value hard work (regardless of race or economic status), I do not need laptops, fancy labs, or equipment. I could teach class in my hay barn and students would be successful.
Here is a small example that I think reflects society as a whole. As I mentioned, I teach at a school where most of the kids come from econ. disadvantaged homes, and students often comment that they need money. I tell all my students that I will not give them any cash, but they can come work and I will pay (usually about $15 - $20/hr) to do odd jobs such as changing the oil in my truck, mowing, stacking firewood, washing vehicles or trailers, etc. I have very few take me up on the offer. School has been going for 9 weeks and not one kid has come to me looking to make some extra money. On the other hand, one of the kids who did the most over the last two years was the richest kid in school......
Also, blaming the education system for why someone does not have a job making the money they want is BS. The more education you have allows for more options on how you make a living not how much money you make. I have a cousin that brings in $40K/month picking up rural trash. One of my students made $20K last summer mowing yards, and the list could go on and on. Personally, the other day one of my students asked how I had such a nice house and other things being a teacher. I told him that my wife and I have 6-7 full and part time jobs, and we both work 60-70 or more hours a week to get what we have...... His response reflects the attitude of many.... pssst, I ain't doing that.
Anyone can walk out the door right now and mow lawns or wash trucks and make $40/hr, and it requires zero education. The problem is it requires hard work.
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1DSoon - 2016-10-19 10:44 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 11:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL) Â Â
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. Â No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.Â
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.Â
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I don't disagree with anything you said here.
But I have to ask. When and why does this become societies responsiblity?Â
THere used to be, and there should be consequences for doing dumb things. Stupid should hurt. And if the Gov. bails you out when you do dumb sheet there is no motivation to learn not to be dumb.
It's tough, harsh, calloused, I realize that. But it's also the truth.Â
As I stated earlier in this thread, hunger is inspirational. Â
If we want to fix the money problems, the welfare problems, and the debt problems, we have to fix our education at home. It starts with the parents. The parents are the forfront of education. The parents can change their children's and grand children's lives.Â
We also have a friend who is 25, owns his own home (no mortgage) and owns his own vehicles. He literally has no debt. His single mother showed him finances and taught him how to save every penny. He credits her alone for everything he has. He;s in the process of getting her out of debt. It's all in what you know and how educated you are.Â
I myself have experienced the harsh realities of life and while I don't believe these people should be coddled, I do believe they were failed as a whole as far as education goes. Â Sure, you live and you learn but society as a whole would be much better if we educated people about life before they graduated. Yes, they may fail but at least they couldn't fail because they didn't know.
ETA: You r actions are only stupid if you know you shouldn't do something and you do it anyway. Their actions are stupid to people who know that 20% interest is well, stupid. They didn't know. Neither one knew what 20% interest meant. They cannot make stupid decisions if they are genuinely uneducated about it.Â
we are in agreement on the root cause.
But I'm of the mindset that the only way to fix it is to cut off the monsters head.
It will be very painful, and some people will suffer. But that's the only way I can see fixing it.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 1DSoon - 2016-10-19 11:54 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 12:20 PM 1DSoon - 2016-10-19 10:44 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 11:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I don't disagree with anything you said here.
But I have to ask. When and why does this become societies responsiblity?
THere used to be, and there should be consequences for doing dumb things. Stupid should hurt. And if the Gov. bails you out when you do dumb sheet there is no motivation to learn not to be dumb.
It's tough, harsh, calloused, I realize that. But it's also the truth.
As I stated earlier in this thread, hunger is inspirational.
If we want to fix the money problems, the welfare problems, and the debt problems, we have to fix our education at home. It starts with the parents. The parents are the forfront of education. The parents can change their children's and grand children's lives.
We also have a friend who is 25, owns his own home (no mortgage) and owns his own vehicles. He literally has no debt. His single mother showed him finances and taught him how to save every penny. He credits her alone for everything he has. He;s in the process of getting her out of debt. It's all in what you know and how educated you are.
I myself have experienced the harsh realities of life and while I don't believe these people should be coddled, I do believe they were failed as a whole as far as education goes. Sure, you live and you learn but society as a whole would be much better if we educated people about life before they graduated. Yes, they may fail but at least they couldn't fail because they didn't know.
ETA: You r actions are only stupid if you know you shouldn't do something and you do it anyway. Their actions are stupid to people who know that 20% interest is well, stupid. They didn't know. Neither one knew what 20% interest meant. They cannot make stupid decisions if they are genuinely uneducated about it. But I'm of the mindset that the only way to fix it is to cut off the monsters head. It will be very painful, and some people will suffer. But that's the only way I can see fixing it. you won't be able to soft sell it and get anything done.
LOL I don't think you and I have EVER agreed on anything 1D! I'll be sure to mark it down on my calender. Just kidding.
But I do see your viewpoint on how it needs to be fixed and I respect that opinion. Thank you for agreeing to disagree with me respectfully on how to fix the problem. Wish Others knew how to debate with each other while being respectfull.... | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Barnmom - 2016-10-19 11:49 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 10:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL) Â Â
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. Â No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.Â
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.Â
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home.  That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed.  And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created.
Too much homework is not the problem. That's not new. As far back as I remember people have bellyached about too much homework.
I submit that most kids manage to find time to spend time on TV, video games, and the internet. If you feel it is taking your kids away from necessary chores, figure out a way to solve the problem. | |
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Location: TEXAS | Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:47 AM rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for.
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| slacy09 - 2016-10-19 1:26 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:47 AM rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | rpreast - 2016-10-19 3:32 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 1:26 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:47 AM rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for. 
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| NJJ - 2016-10-19 3:18 PM rpreast - 2016-10-19 3:32 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 1:26 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:47 AM rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for.
I meant every post on this particular thread.... No I did not go through every single post on BHW......
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Location: Texas | Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:54 AM
Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you.Â
I prefer Trumpkin... And yes, the GOP, and their fear of losing reelection, is the only thing that has stopped the government from taking away our second amendment rights. In addition, let me add, that I am an independent and always have been. I vote people, not party. I don't care what race, gender, or political party you are affiliated with... What I care about is the direction of our country, our people. I have been poor, rich, and everything in between. I have been blessed to see many different sides of life, and it has certainly broadened my scope of politics. I will NEVER vote based on party loyalty.
Why am I voting Trump? For one, he isn't a career politician. He is what he is and we don't have to guess what he's thinking. He tells the truth about politics. He throws all of them under the bus, republicans and democrats alike. He's a business man who has employed thousands of people over the years. He's been all over the world and he loves America. Those old school back East guys are super loyal. I have roots out there and I know how they were raised. Some of my cousins, Uncles, etc... were raw son of a guns. But they were loyal. Trump will be loyal to the people. He's got nothing to prove and he isn't going to be bought, period. He's too arrogant for that. Our country needs a warrior right now, not a "politically correct" phony who has used her public office as a career path to promote herself and her family. This isn't England... we don't do royal families here. First Bill, then Hillary, then Chelsea or her husband. No more Clintons and no more Bushs!
DONALD J TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!!!
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2016-10-19 12:03 PM Barnmom - 2016-10-19 11:49 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 10:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home. That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed. And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created. Too much homework is not the problem. That's not new. As far back as I remember people have bellyached about too much homework. I submit that most kids manage to find time to spend time on TV, video games, and the internet. If you feel it is taking your kids away from necessary chores, figure out a way to solve the problem.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 5:05 PM
Bear - 2016-10-19 12:03 PM Barnmom - 2016-10-19 11:49 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 10:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL) Â Â
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. Â No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.Â
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.Â
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home.  That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed.  And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created. Too much homework is not the problem. That's not new. As far back as I remember people have bellyached about too much homework. I submit that most kids manage to find time to spend time on TV, video games, and the internet. If you feel it is taking your kids away from necessary chores, figure out a way to solve the problem.
I have three children and 4 grandchildren. My kids held jobs, played sports, had had responsibility at home. I was a very busy single parent with a very demanding career. They all complained about "too much homework" as well, but they reaped the rewards, not me. My grandkids have a lot of homework as well, and interestingly their parents never bemoan that fact.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Homework for K-5 beyond the occasional project doesn't help them learn. There are peer reviewed studies supporting that statement. I know of little kids with excessive homework to the point they can't go to bed at a decent hour if they try to do it all. Kindergarteners should not be crying over homework. The pressure they put on little ones with the newer curriculum is ridiculous. They end up burned out, frustrated, hating school, and thinking they're not capable. My 8 year old was saved from her horrible kindergarten experience by an awesome 1st grade teacher. She excelled academically, but she HATED school in kinder because they were worked so hard. Kids that age should still be doing more learning through play.
I never did my homework unless it was for a grade and it sure didn't hurt me any. Most of it was busy work and extra practice. Some kids might have benefitted from that, but not all. | |
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Location: Arkansas | TrackinBubba - 2016-10-19 7:12 AM
streakysox - 2016-10-18 5:06 PM I taught in a Charter School. They get their funding like other public schools or at least in Texas, as they are a separate school district, each having their own superintendent and school. We got the kids that had been kicked out of the high school for discipline problems. Why is saying that neighborhood schools are low performing or that democrat have the blacks where they want them is racist? I teach in a high school that is equally divided Hispanic, Black, and white. My black teacher friends feel the same way that I do about the black kids having to attend low performing schools when most of them attended schools that were completely integrated. I think the point I was making was that the democrats have set them back to a place before they were integrated. This is fact not opinion. All schools in Texas are rated according to test scores, attendance, graduation rate and several other factors. My job is to get the graduation percentage up. I don't care if they kid is green, if they get in my room they work and they understand that. If the breakdown of the family and apathy are the ruination of education then all schools are doomed. I have many girls who are single parents, they they are happy that our school district who is has a program where they can finish. If I have a student who in not working, a quick call to a parent usually gets them in gear. So there went the apathy theory. I do think that today's education is failing some students because we are to make brain surgeons out of everyone. I will say this, our new superintendent is trying to incorporate some vocational classes for kids in the early grad program. At least they can take something that interests them they will be better prepared to support themselves.
 
I don't give a tinker's **** about most of this thread but I am SO GLAD to hear that a school district somewhere is bringing back vocational classes. It is so hard to find somebody to hire with any kind of blue collar skills. You'd think in a medium-sized city surrounded by farm country we could find somebody who knows one end of a screwdriver from another.Â
Add on somebody with blue collar skills that can pass a drug test, has a decent driving record, can show up on time, and actually do their job? That's like hunting a unicorn.Â
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Location: Arkansas | IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM
Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL) Â Â
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. Â No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.Â
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.Â
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation!Â
One thing I am proud of (but also feel embarrassed by) is that my son has studied the political goings-on and can explain it and understand it better than me. He is going with my parents to Del Rio deer hunting and won't be here on election day, so he's voting early because he said he's 18, it's his first time to vote, and he's not gonna miss the opportunity. | |
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 9:05 PM
 Homework for K-5 beyond the occasional project doesn't help them learn.  There are peer reviewed studies supporting that statement.  I know of little kids with excessive homework to the point they can't go to bed at a decent hour if they try to do it all.  Kindergarteners should not be crying over homework.  The pressure they put on little ones with the newer curriculum is ridiculous. They end up burned out, frustrated, hating school, and thinking they're not capable.  My 8 year old was saved from her horrible kindergarten experience by an awesome 1st grade teacher.  She excelled academically, but she HATED school in kinder because they were worked so hard. Kids that age should still be doing more learning through play. Â
I never did my homework unless it was for a grade and it sure didn't hurt me any. Â Most of it was busy work and extra practice. Â Some kids might have benefitted from that, but not all.Â
I agree with you and obviously we're talking about the same school. Way too much busy work and tons of homework. Chandler would sometimes have 4 tests in one day even tho the school stated that would never happen. I understand homework and the need for it in moderation. But not to the point of two or so hours in several subjects most every night. . . . | |
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Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 9:05 PM Homework for K-5 beyond the occasional project doesn't help them learn. There are peer reviewed studies supporting that statement. I know of little kids with excessive homework to the point they can't go to bed at a decent hour if they try to do it all. Kindergarteners should not be crying over homework. The pressure they put on little ones with the newer curriculum is ridiculous. They end up burned out, frustrated, hating school, and thinking they're not capable. My 8 year old was saved from her horrible kindergarten experience by an awesome 1st grade teacher. She excelled academically, but she HATED school in kinder because they were worked so hard. Kids that age should still be doing more learning through play.
I never did my homework unless it was for a grade and it sure didn't hurt me any. Most of it was busy work and extra practice. Some kids might have benefitted from that, but not all.
It wouldn't bother me so much if the teacher actually had time to look at the kids homework. My 8 year old gets very upset when he does all his homework and other kids don't and they all get the same homework grade. Not blaming the teachers at all, the amount of paperwork they have to do is insane. My husband is a SPED teacher so I get how time consuming the paperwork is, not sure when they are supposed to actually teach. Apparently covering your a$$ in case there is ever a parent complaint is very important these days. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | grinandbareit - 2016-10-19 2:50 PM
Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:54 AM
Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you.Â
I prefer Trumpkin... And yes, the GOP, and their fear of losing reelection, is the only thing that has stopped the government from taking away our second amendment rights. In addition, let me add, that I am an independent and always have been. I vote people, not party. I don't care what race, gender, or political party you are affiliated with... What I care about is the direction of our country, our people. I have been poor, rich, and everything in between. I have been blessed to see many different sides of life, and it has certainly broadened my scope of politics. I will NEVER vote based on party loyalty.
Why am I voting Trump? For one, he isn't a career politician. He is what he is and we don't have to guess what he's thinking. He tells the truth about politics. He throws all of them under the bus, republicans and democrats alike. He's a business man who has employed thousands of people over the years. He's been all over the world and he loves America. Those old school back East guys are super loyal. I have roots out there and I know how they were raised. Some of my cousins, Uncles, etc... were raw son of a guns. But they were loyal. Trump will be loyal to the people. He's got nothing to prove and he isn't going to be bought, period. He's too arrogant for that. Our country needs a warrior right now, not a "politically correct" phony who has used her public office as a career path to promote herself and her family. This isn't England... we don't do royal families here. First Bill, then Hillary, then Chelsea or her husband. No more Clintons and no more Bushs!
DONALD J TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!!!
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