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Location: North Dakota | rach.k - 2013-12-17 10:41 AM I guess that's what makes it faith and "believing," instead of knowing :)
I have a hard time believing this world WASN'T created, ya know- there's a saddle because there's a saddle maker, there's a house because there's a builder, etc. they didn't just "happen."
I have a lot of friends that believe the Big Bang theory but to my knowledge explosions cause chaos not order, we blow things up to destroy, not create... So I can't get with a theory that essentially claims "There was nothing, then it all blew up and became an organized everything." Lol
im not meaning to sound like I'm talking down either, I'm just saying, in my short years of experience I've never seen something created without a creator, and throughout life, learning and trying to get closer to God I've just become somehow more and more sure :)
My mom always says, yes we believe and we could be wrong and after we die we just die; BUT, what if we're right and nonbelievers are wrong and find themselves standing before God... Now that's a scary "what-if!"
I agree 100% with what you said. It truly is believing, not knowing. My mom is an extremely strict Catholic and my dad believes but is not a religious man. Growing up I never had a question of whether God was real or not. He was real like the grass is green and the earth is round. I guess as I got older I never questioned his existance, but I understood that you really do have to take a lot of it on faith. I also found that logically, God's existance makes sense. As it says in the post I quoted, the whole theory of evolution and the big bang just do not make sense. First of all, how is there nothing, and then nothing explodes for no reason, and creates everything. Then with evolution, yes some animals evolved from a primitive state into what they are today, but the idea that apes turned into humans? If that were true, then WHY ARE APES STILL APES? You don't see. In no other case (that I've ever heard of anyway) has an animal evolved and simultaneously had it's ancestor living at the same time. It. makes. no. sense. My honest opinion is the people who came up with these theories were just batsh*t. Again. Just my opinion. I think the best person to explain how religion and science work together is one of the most brilliant, if not the most brilliant people of all time:
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Location: North Dakota | rach.k - 2013-12-17 10:41 AM I guess that's what makes it faith and "believing," instead of knowing :)
I have a hard time believing this world WASN'T created, ya know- there's a saddle because there's a saddle maker, there's a house because there's a builder, etc. they didn't just "happen."
I have a lot of friends that believe the Big Bang theory but to my knowledge explosions cause chaos not order, we blow things up to destroy, not create... So I can't get with a theory that essentially claims "There was nothing, then it all blew up and became an organized everything." Lol
im not meaning to sound like I'm talking down either, I'm just saying, in my short years of experience I've never seen something created without a creator, and throughout life, learning and trying to get closer to God I've just become somehow more and more sure :)
My mom always says, yes we believe and we could be wrong and after we die we just die; BUT, what if we're right and nonbelievers are wrong and find themselves standing before God... Now that's a scary "what-if!"
I agree 100% with what you said. It truly is believing, not knowing. My mom is an extremely strict Catholic and my dad believes but is not a religious man. Growing up I never had a question of whether God was real or not. He was real like the grass is green and the earth is round. I guess as I got older I never questioned his existance, but I understood that you really do have to take a lot of it on faith. I also found that logically, God's existance makes sense. As it says in the post I quoted, the whole theory of evolution and the big bang just do not make sense. First of all, how is there nothing, and then nothing explodes for no reason, and creates everything. Then with evolution, yes some animals evolved from a primitive state into what they are today, but the idea that apes turned into humans? If that were true, then WHY ARE APES STILL APES? You don't see. In no other case (that I've ever heard of anyway) has an animal evolved and simultaneously had it's ancestor living at the same time. It. makes. no. sense. My honest opinion is the people who came up with these theories were just batsh*t. Again. Just my opinion. I think the best person to explain how religion and science work together is one of the most brilliant, if not the most brilliant people of all time:
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Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 7:13 PM It's perfectly fine for people to ask questions. There are people responding, that have no earthly idea what they are talking about. Corinthians 11: 13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
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Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 7:13 PM It's perfectly fine for people to ask questions. There are people responding, that have no earthly idea what they are talking about. Corinthians 11: 13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
 Care to enlighten us?
Lots of people here throwing out bad advice, lots of people here professing not to understand-------Get your eyes in the bible, your mind on Jesus, and yourself in church.
2nd Corinthians 10:5
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Location: La Vernia, TX | cavyrunsbarrels - 2013-12-19 4:43 AM
rach.k - 2013-12-17 10:41 AM Â I guess that's what makes it faith and "believing," instead of knowing :)Â
I have a hard time believing this world WASN'T created, ya know- there's a saddle because there's a saddle maker, there's a house because there's a builder, etc. they didn't just "happen."
I have a lot of friends that believe the Big Bang theory but to my knowledge explosions cause chaos not order, we blow things up to destroy, not create... So I can't get with a theory that essentially claims "There was nothing, then it all blew up and became an organized everything." Lol
im not meaning to sound like I'm talking down either, I'm just saying, in my short years of experience I've never seen something created without a creator, and throughout life, learning and trying to get closer to God I've just become somehow more and more sure :)
My mom always says, yes we believe and we could be wrong and after we die we just die; BUT, what if we're right and nonbelievers are wrong and find themselves standing before God... Now that's a scary "what-if!"Â
I agree 100% with what you said. It truly is believing, not knowing. My mom is an extremely strict Catholic and my dad believes but is not a religious man. Growing up I never had a question of whether God was real or not. He was real like the grass is green and the earth is round. I guess as I got older I never questioned his existance, but I understood that you really do have to take a lot of it on faith. I also found that logically, God's existance makes sense. As it says in the post I quoted, the whole theory of evolution and the big bang just do not make sense. First of all, how is there nothing, and then nothing explodes for no reason, and creates everything. Then with evolution, yes some animals evolved from a primitive state into what they are today, but the idea that apes turned into humans? If that were true, then WHY ARE APES STILL APES? You don't see. In no other case (that I've ever heard of anyway) has an animal evolved and simultaneously had it's ancestor living at the same time. It. makes. no. sense. My honest opinion is the people who came up with these theories were just batsh*t. Again. Just my opinion. I think the best person to explain how religion and science work together is one of the most brilliant, if not the most brilliant people of all time:
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Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 7:13 PM It's perfectly fine for people to ask questions. There are people responding, that have no earthly idea what they are talking about. Corinthians 11: 13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
 Care to enlighten us?
Lots of people here throwing out bad advice, lots of people here professing not to understand-------Get your eyes in the bible, your mind on Jesus, and yourself in church.
2nd Corinthians 10:5
5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
I agree with everything you said but either comment, rebuke or correct.... Or Phuk off.
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| Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 8:47 PM TXBO - 2013-12-18 8:44 PM Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 8:11 PM TXBO - 2013-12-18 7:19 PM Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 7:13 PM It's perfectly fine for people to ask questions. There are people responding, that have no earthly idea what they are talking about. Corinthians 11: 13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. Care to enlighten us? Lots of people here throwing out bad advice, lots of people here professing not to understand-------Get your eyes in the bible, your mind on Jesus, and yourself in church. 2nd Corinthians 10:5 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. I agree with everything you said but either comment, rebuke or correct.... Or Phuk off. I guess I'm stupid or something. I don't understand your question Do I line item every false witness here?
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Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 3:35 PM Just Bring It - 2013-12-19 12:15 AM Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 3:06 PM justcruzin - 2013-12-18 6:07 PM grullagirl - 2013-12-18 6:56 AM  I believe bad things happen in this world because as of now Satan is free to roam the earth. The bible says he's seeking whom he may devour. We were given free will and humans took their eyes off God and were deceived by Satan. We were not promised the earth would be a paradise any longer. The bible tells us there will be struggles here but we are promised a comforter. It is so easy to say there is no God because bad things happen but we are told in scripture they will happen. In my darkest hours His promises have proven true time and time again. My question is why did the prayers of a 10 year old chid go unanswered? Free will? What does free will have to do with unanswered prayers? I understand the free will part, but what happened to "Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. "For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened."  ????
Free will allowed the suffering, why did God not stop it? Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus (a greek philosopher who died 200 years before Jesus was born ) https://bible.org/seriespage/why-there-evil-and-suffering I don't have any questions. Not about christianity, at least. Been there, done that. I've since been to many places around the world, and guess what? They all believe- just as strongly as you do- that their path is the only correct one! Because that is the culture that surrounds them. For those who were 'reborn'- it was the support network that buoyed them when they felt weak. I believe in Satan as much as I believe in God, the tooth fairy and Poseidon (or the other 2000+ documented deities in human history ). Other than influencing the laws I have to live by, usually by telling other people how they can live their lives (aren't you supposed to be free to find your own path? ) none of these supernatural entities has a direct effect on my life. Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. There is no evidence of divine intervention. If a sick child recovers, praise to the heavens, but if she does not- well, 'it was god's plan'. Why pray in the first place then? Do you know better than God's plan? Do you think if you send up enough wishes you'll change his all-seeing, all-knowing mind? A girl is raped, but that's not god's plan- that's Satan. God was aware that it was happening, and did nothing to stop it? In that light, I might be considered more ethical than God, because I would risk my mortal life to stop such a thing. Then the Rapist repents and accepts jesus as his savior and he's good to live in the kingdom of heaven for ever and ever? I'm only using christianity because it's the topic of most of the posters here. All three of the Abrahamic religions are very similar, though. Love me, or I'll torture you forever. Talk about an abusive relationship. I'm perfectly satisfied and joyously happy with the knowledge that life is short, and you get just one. I do not know what happens after I die, and I do not fear it. I take time to enjoy the things that make me smile. I do nice things for people. My loved ones do not wonder how I feel about them. I don't tell people I'll pray for them, I ask them how I can help. When I'm sick- I realize that having experienced that makes me appreciate feeling normal that much more. When I've had to deal with loss and strife, I take a look around me. As DH Lawrence wrote: “I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.” The experience of life is a fascinating journey, and regardless of whether you choose to believe you were put here for a reason, or the result of random occurrences over a long period of time, your existence is to be celebrated. Live your life and don't worry about trying to live other people's lives for them! I am not trying to convince you or change your mind. I am only quoting you because you brought this up and I wanted to address it if nothing else then to maybe help someone else who also has the same questions as you. Do you not feel that someone that sins but is truly sorry should be forgiven? I believe God knows a persons true heart more than they themselves. If a man does a horrible crime and rapes a girl but is truly sorry for his actions and has made the choice to change and open his heart to the Lord do you think he deserves to spend all eternity in hell for one horrible choice he made? Now I am not saying a man goes around murdering people and living a horrible sinful life then all of a sudden at his death bed asks for forgiveness should be forgiven because to me in his heart he does not truly feel sorry for what he has done. He is just scared of what will happen once he dies. That is showing that he feels sorry for himself but not for his victims and what he has done. God knows what is in our heart.
I do not believe there is such a thing as heaven or hell, but, playing along by those rules- the same would apply to all those throwing down on Pascal's wager are living a lie. God, as an omniscient being would know that you did not truly believe in your heart, that you did not come to find him on your own, that you were following along with social convention or the fear of eternal punishment. *MOST* sects of Christianity promote that all you need to do to enter the kingdom of heaven is to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, so that man who spent his life murdering and living a horrible sinful life would get a pass, afterall, if he did indeed do that. | |
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God gave each of us the right of free will. He did not make us His puppets to dangle around and do what He wants us to do. He gives each of us a choice. The rapist chooses to rape; the murder chooses to kill; the liar choose to lie; the thief chooses to steal and so on and so on. That same free will gives us the choice to love God and follow His plan for our lives. Have you ever wanted someone to love you but they didn’t? Could you MAKE them love you? Of course not. His will for each of our lives is to love Him; love each other, and live a life helping others and making good choices. But because of that free will, some choose to love God and accept his forgiveness through a personal relationship with Jesus, and some choose to not accept the forgiveness He offers. Because God is God and His ways are higher than ours, we will never – this side of heaven – understand WHY he allows bad things to happen, but He does. Where is He when those bad things are happening? On His throne in heaven… the same place He was when your sin and my sin nailed His Son to the cross to die a cruel and long-suffering death for every rotten thing you and I have ever done. Did Jesus deserve that? Absolutely not… but He did it for us because that’s how much He loves us. So, when bad things happen to good people, just remember that the worst happened to His precious Son. God knew that His Son would pay the ultimate sacrifice for us when He made Adam and Eve and they used their free will to sin. God made this plan to save us from eternal separation from Him before He ever set the world into motion. All we have to do is accept, by faith. He has done all the rest!
The whole Jesus died for our sins thing is so absurd. First, he didn't really die, did he? Second, God, being the omnipotent and omniscient being that he is purported to be- couldn't find a way to forgive us of our sins without the twisted soap opera drama?
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Location: La Vernia, TX | cavyrunsbarrels - 2013-12-19 4:45 AM
rach.k - 2013-12-17 10:41 AM Â I guess that's what makes it faith and "believing," instead of knowing :)Â
I have a hard time believing this world WASN'T created, ya know- there's a saddle because there's a saddle maker, there's a house because there's a builder, etc. they didn't just "happen."
I have a lot of friends that believe the Big Bang theory but to my knowledge explosions cause chaos not order, we blow things up to destroy, not create... So I can't get with a theory that essentially claims "There was nothing, then it all blew up and became an organized everything." Lol
im not meaning to sound like I'm talking down either, I'm just saying, in my short years of experience I've never seen something created without a creator, and throughout life, learning and trying to get closer to God I've just become somehow more and more sure :)
My mom always says, yes we believe and we could be wrong and after we die we just die; BUT, what if we're right and nonbelievers are wrong and find themselves standing before God... Now that's a scary "what-if!"Â
I agree 100% with what you said. It truly is believing, not knowing. My mom is an extremely strict Catholic and my dad believes but is not a religious man. Growing up I never had a question of whether God was real or not. He was real like the grass is green and the earth is round. I guess as I got older I never questioned his existance, but I understood that you really do have to take a lot of it on faith. I also found that logically, God's existance makes sense. As it says in the post I quoted, the whole theory of evolution and the big bang just do not make sense. First of all, how is there nothing, and then nothing explodes for no reason, and creates everything. Then with evolution, yes some animals evolved from a primitive state into what they are today, but the idea that apes turned into humans? If that were true, then WHY ARE APES STILL APES? You don't see. In no other case (that I've ever heard of anyway) has an animal evolved and simultaneously had it's ancestor living at the same time. It. makes. no. sense. My honest opinion is the people who came up with these theories were just batsh*t. Again. Just my opinion. I think the best person to explain how religion and science work together is one of the most brilliant, if not the most brilliant people of all time:
I can't find the particular quote I wanted from him. But he know's what's up.
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
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Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 7:13 PM It's perfectly fine for people to ask questions. There are people responding, that have no earthly idea what they are talking about. Corinthians 11: 13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
 Care to enlighten us?
Lots of people here throwing out bad advice, lots of people here professing not to understand-------Get your eyes in the bible, your mind on Jesus, and yourself in church.
2nd Corinthians 10:5
5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
I agree with everything you said but either comment, rebuke or correct.... Or Phuk off.
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Location: CA | Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 8:47 PM TXBO - 2013-12-18 8:44 PM Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 8:11 PM TXBO - 2013-12-18 7:19 PM Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 7:13 PM It's perfectly fine for people to ask questions. There are people responding, that have no earthly idea what they are talking about. Corinthians 11: 13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. Care to enlighten us? Lots of people here throwing out bad advice, lots of people here professing not to understand-------Get your eyes in the bible, your mind on Jesus, and yourself in church. 2nd Corinthians 10:5 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. I agree with everything you said but either comment, rebuke or correct.... Or Phuk off. I guess I'm stupid or something. I don't understand your question Do I line item every false witness here?
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God gave each of us the right of free will. He did not make us His puppets to dangle around and do what He wants us to do. He gives each of us a choice. The rapist chooses to rape; the murder chooses to kill; the liar choose to lie; the thief chooses to steal and so on and so on. That same free will gives us the choice to love God and follow His plan for our lives. Have you ever wanted someone to love you but they didn’t? Could you MAKE them love you? Of course not. His will for each of our lives is to love Him; love each other, and live a life helping others and making good choices. But because of that free will, some choose to love God and accept his forgiveness through a personal relationship with Jesus, and some choose to not accept the forgiveness He offers. Because God is God and His ways are higher than ours, we will never – this side of heaven – understand WHY he allows bad things to happen, but He does. Where is He when those bad things are happening? On His throne in heaven… the same place He was when your sin and my sin nailed His Son to the cross to die a cruel and long-suffering death for every rotten thing you and I have ever done. Did Jesus deserve that? Absolutely not… but He did it for us because that’s how much He loves us. So, when bad things happen to good people, just remember that the worst happened to His precious Son. God knew that His Son would pay the ultimate sacrifice for us when He made Adam and Eve and they used their free will to sin. God made this plan to save us from eternal separation from Him before He ever set the world into motion. All we have to do is accept, by faith. He has done all the rest!
The whole Jesus died for our sins thing is so absurd. First, he didn't really die, did he? Second, God, being the omnipotent and omniscient being that he is purported to be- couldn't find a way to forgive us of our sins without the twisted soap opera drama?
And then there is the whole concept of Jesus being the worldly manifestation of God, hence:
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Location: CA | Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 9:19 PM Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 9:02 PM horsesinharleton - 2013-12-19 1:58 AM God gave each of us the right of free will. He did not make us His puppets to dangle around and do what He wants us to do. He gives each of us a choice. The rapist chooses to rape; the murder chooses to kill; the liar choose to lie; the thief chooses to steal and so on and so on. That same free will gives us the choice to love God and follow His plan for our lives. Have you ever wanted someone to love you but they didn’t? Could you MAKE them love you? Of course not. His will for each of our lives is to love Him; love each other, and live a life helping others and making good choices. But because of that free will, some choose to love God and accept his forgiveness through a personal relationship with Jesus, and some choose to not accept the forgiveness He offers. Because God is God and His ways are higher than ours, we will never – this side of heaven – understand WHY he allows bad things to happen, but He does. Where is He when those bad things are happening? On His throne in heaven… the same place He was when your sin and my sin nailed His Son to the cross to die a cruel and long-suffering death for every rotten thing you and I have ever done. Did Jesus deserve that? Absolutely not… but He did it for us because that’s how much He loves us. So, when bad things happen to good people, just remember that the worst happened to His precious Son. God knew that His Son would pay the ultimate sacrifice for us when He made Adam and Eve and they used their free will to sin. God made this plan to save us from eternal separation from Him before He ever set the world into motion. All we have to do is accept, by faith. He has done all the rest! The whole Jesus died for our sins thing is so absurd. First, he didn't really die, did he? Second, God, being the omnipotent and omniscient being that he is purported to be- couldn't find a way to forgive us of our sins without the twisted soap opera drama? And then there is the whole concept of Jesus being the worldly manifestation of God, hence: Are you wanting me to respond to this kind of stuff?
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Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 9:19 PM Phoenix98 - 2013-12-18 9:02 PM horsesinharleton - 2013-12-19 1:58 AM God gave each of us the right of free will. He did not make us His puppets to dangle around and do what He wants us to do. He gives each of us a choice. The rapist chooses to rape; the murder chooses to kill; the liar choose to lie; the thief chooses to steal and so on and so on. That same free will gives us the choice to love God and follow His plan for our lives. Have you ever wanted someone to love you but they didn’t? Could you MAKE them love you? Of course not. His will for each of our lives is to love Him; love each other, and live a life helping others and making good choices. But because of that free will, some choose to love God and accept his forgiveness through a personal relationship with Jesus, and some choose to not accept the forgiveness He offers. Because God is God and His ways are higher than ours, we will never – this side of heaven – understand WHY he allows bad things to happen, but He does. Where is He when those bad things are happening? On His throne in heaven… the same place He was when your sin and my sin nailed His Son to the cross to die a cruel and long-suffering death for every rotten thing you and I have ever done. Did Jesus deserve that? Absolutely not… but He did it for us because that’s how much He loves us. So, when bad things happen to good people, just remember that the worst happened to His precious Son. God knew that His Son would pay the ultimate sacrifice for us when He made Adam and Eve and they used their free will to sin. God made this plan to save us from eternal separation from Him before He ever set the world into motion. All we have to do is accept, by faith. He has done all the rest! The whole Jesus died for our sins thing is so absurd. First, he didn't really die, did he? Second, God, being the omnipotent and omniscient being that he is purported to be- couldn't find a way to forgive us of our sins without the twisted soap opera drama? And then there is the whole concept of Jesus being the worldly manifestation of God, hence: Are you wanting me to respond to this kind of stuff?
Hard to respond to that without passing judgement.
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7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
I infer from this passage that who ever posted that picture has not accepted Jesus as savior. I assume that they have chosen the broad path to destruction. What more can I add? | |
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Location: CA | In my opinion the attitude of my way or the highway concerning faith is as false as it gets. God guides us where we are to be. God helps us along. There have been some great opinions on this thread. What resognates with people is what will start them on the road to their spirituality. The path may not be like any others, or it could be exactly the same. But if someone reads something on here that leads them to wonder about more, to seek knowledge, or even just to open their heart seeking what is missing, it is a great thing!
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| T turning 3 - 2013-12-18 9:44 PM
In my opinion the attitude of my way or the highway concerning faith is as false as it gets. God guides us where we are to be. God helps us along. There have been some great opinions on this thread. What resognates with people is what will start them on the road to their spirituality. The path may not be like any others, or it could be exactly the same.  But if someone reads something on here that leads them to wonder about more, to seek knowledge, or even just to open their heart seeking what is missing, it is a great thing! Â
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There is only one way to heaven, and no other. I don't want resonate anything other than that. A Christian doesn't want to get people thinking about what is missing. If they don't know Jesus as savior, that is what is missing. Time may not allow for the nonbeliever to wonder aimlessly through life to hopefully stumble on the answer. Jesus is the answer.
Corinthians 1:18
18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
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| Bigfoot - 2013-12-18 9:57 PM T turning 3 - 2013-12-18 9:44 PM In my opinion the attitude of my way or the highway concerning faith is as false as it gets. God guides us where we are to be. God helps us along. There have been some great opinions on this thread. What resognates with people is what will start them on the road to their spirituality. The path may not be like any others, or it could be exactly the same. But if someone reads something on here that leads them to wonder about more, to seek knowledge, or even just to open their heart seeking what is missing, it is a great thing!
There is only one way to heaven, and no other. I don't want resonate anything other than that. A Christian doesn't want to get people thinking about what is missing. If they don't know Jesus as savior, that is what is missing. Time may not allow for the nonbeliever to wonder aimlessly through life to hopefully stumble on the answer. Jesus is the answer. Corinthians 1:18 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
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