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| I feed Triple Crown. I like it and have never had an issue.
But I will be keeping an eye out on what facilities it is coming from.
At this point I really don't want to switch to anything else. It would either be Nutrena or Purina and they are a lesser quality feed with a higher price for me. I really prefer a high fat feed...not much to choose from unless I get it shipped. The only other thing on the market that interests me is Renew Gold but I priced it out to get it shipped and it was not worth it! |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | missroselee - 2015-02-04 9:38 PM I have tried Nutrena and Purian several times. And will never again. Too many problems. When I had enough of that, I researched other companies and I was never "sold" on ADM feeds. I could never get any verified information from any of their reps when I asked.
I LOVED LOVED my Blue Seal feeds when I was in PA. In Georgia I fed Triple Crown and it was ok, though extremely expensive.
Now we are in Missouri and I discovered MFA feeds shortly after arriving in 2013. It has been by far the BEST feed I have ever used. And surprisingly cheap. I've had the discussion on this topic with them when I pick up horse feed. They are either monensin free or at least the mill that makes the horse feed is. And they make the certified list on safe feed/safe food.
I recently found out that Kent feeds has partnered up with Blue Seal. Kent has locations throughout the midwest and if I was looking for a feed again I would be checking them out.
I feed Blue Seal - the Sentinel LS formula and love it for my old horses. I feed RG to my young 2 year old and 13 year old. I spoke to Kent feeds and they assured me they are safe. I posted it I think on Page 2. |
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| I switched from Nutrena SC to Producers Co-op feed about 6 months ago due to price and ease of buying. I drive right by the feedstore that sells it twice a day while going to my local tsc was 25 mls out of the way.
I emailed them and this was their reply....
Yes we do use ionophore additives in the same facility as we manufacture
horse feeds. We take great care to ensure that there is no
cross-contamination. Within our computerized batching system, we have
safeguards built in that prevent horse feeds from being made right before or
right after. These safeguards are used from the mixer to the bagger or bulk
truck. We also double check the records every day to make sure there was
not a glitch or mistake. If there is ever any doubt, all feed from that
batch is quarantined until we can dig deeper. All medications are
inventoried through a computerized system. Barcodes must be scanned on
drugs being weighed out of inventory to ensure the proper additive is being
used and scanned again going into the mixer to prevent contaminating the
wrong batch.
Thank you for the question and feel free to contact us if you have further
questions.
Robert Barrett, PAS
Nutritionist
Producers Cooperative Association
979-778-6000
I took my barrel horse off all processed feeds and started her on Chaffhay because of ulcers. It has helped her 100%. But can they eat just Alfalfa? I give her a high fat supplement as well for added fat and other nutrients.
Ive been told oats and alfalfa is ok. Would that be enough? I will not feed producers again. This scares me and Im not willing to gamble on my horses health. |
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| magic gunsmoke - 2015-02-05 3:27 AM
I feed Triple Crown. I like it and have never had an issue.
But I will be keeping an eye out on what facilities it is coming from.
At this point I really don't want to switch to anything else. It would either be Nutrena or Purina and they are a lesser quality feed with a higher price for me. I really prefer a high fat feed...not much to choose from unless I get it shipped. The only other thing on the market that interests me is Renew Gold but I priced it out to get it shipped and it was not worth it!
Im In CA and have always had consistent bags of TC and will be continuing with them as well. |
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Location: up to my waist in you know what | I put in a order for a couple bags of ADM Primeglo yesterday to try, then I read this, I will be cancelling that order....Thanks for all the info!
Guess I will be doing more research on what to switch to next, there are so many choices....... |
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| babiemox - 2015-02-04 1:00 PM
I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push.
Wait? We have a Triple Crown feed mill here?!? I'm assuming it's Cargill? I might have to stop in there. Knowing they are milling both doesn't make me too confident in the safety. |
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| cowpooh02 - 2015-02-05 10:00 AM
I put in a order for a couple bags of ADM Primeglo yesterday to try, then I read this, I will be cancelling that order....Thanks for all the info!
Guess I will be doing more research on what to switch to next, there are so many choices.......
I'm at a bit of a crossroads on exactly what I want to do or what I should do as far as feed goes. Realized yesterday I can get blue bonnet here .. it's pricey at $25.90 a sack. I'm feeding 5. I've fed it in the past and really liked it. But it got too hard to get. And back then I was only feeding 3. I think I was only feeding 4lbs a day to each horse and they looked really good. Then I've got one of mine(the very easy keeper) on renew gold I have easy access to that too now. It's $33.25 here. I can get fresh from the field oats from my FIL for very extremely cheap. Only thing is they are a tad dusty but not bad. I had the thought last night if I put my whole barn on renew gold and whole oats I'd probably cut my feed bill down by more than half! The other part of me wants to keep those 4 on a good grain ration that I don't have to think about if they are getting all they need. Such a dilemma lol! They are on decent grass hay and we recently added a block or 2 of alfalfa to that mix. |
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Location: up to my waist in you know what | I will look into the Blue bonnet, I'm sure there is somewhere close to me that carries it or can get it. I have been very intrigued with renew gold and have been wanting to try it also or maybe TC (but it sounds like in TX they have a consistency issue). I currently feed a coop feed that is similar to safechoice but I feel it isn't consistent enough and I end up adding more junk to it when I feel I could feed something with better quality and not near as much of it. My horses don't have the muscle or weight that I would like them to have and because I can't ride every night until time change I have to be careful what I feed my 5 yr old as she will climb the stall walls. lol |
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Location: Florida.. | SKM - 2015-02-05 11:21 AM babiemox - 2015-02-04 1:00 PM I contacted my Triple Crown rep and found that my TC Senior is milled at Sterling, CO which also makes the medicated feed. But she did insisted that they never make horse feed following a medicated feed and guarantees it is safe for horses. They are planning for that mill to only make nonmedicated feed in March but as of currently they do both.
Regardless I am going to try Renew Gold and see how my horses will do on that...I was already planning this before this news came out but now it's just another push. Wait? We have a Triple Crown feed mill here?!? I'm assuming it's Cargill? I might have to stop in there. Knowing they are milling both doesn't make me too confident in the safety.
read my post from triple crown..its both ,, she basically says what the others say ... take precautions but so does adm..and look what happened.. |
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Location: Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-02-05 10:23 AM
cowpooh02 - 2015-02-05 10:00 AM
I put in a order for a couple bags of ADM Primeglo yesterday to try, then I read this, I will be cancelling that order....Thanks for all the info!
Guess I will be doing more research on what to switch to next, there are so many choices.......
I'm at a bit of a crossroads on exactly what I want to do or what I should do as far as feed goes. Realized yesterday I can get blue bonnet here .. it's pricey at $25.90 a sack. I'm feeding 5. I've fed it in the past and really liked it. But it got too hard to get. And back then I was only feeding 3. I think I was only feeding 4lbs a day to each horse and they looked really good. Then I've got one of mine (the very easy keeper ) on renew gold I have easy access to that too now. It's $33.25 here. I can get fresh from the field oats from my FIL for very extremely cheap. Only thing is they are a tad dusty but not bad. I had the thought last night if I put my whole barn on renew gold and whole oats I'd probably cut my feed bill down by more than half! The other part of me wants to keep those 4 on a good grain ration that I don't have to think about if they are getting all they need. Such a dilemma lol! They are on decent grass hay and we recently added a block or 2 of alfalfa to that mix.
We fed oats and alfalfa and grass hay for years and they all did great. I plan to put an Equilix tub in my horses' pasture and call it good. |
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| I would be interested to know, if the additives used at ionophores free mills, are also coming from ionophores free plants. My guess is the molasses is not in many cases. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Just so that no one is fooled into thinking that trace amounts are not toxic I want to make sure that you understand what you may be reading.
LD50 means this is the Lethal Dose that will kill 50% of the species that will consume this product.
The LD50 for Monensin in Horses is 2-3 mg/kg or 2-3ppm or 2-3 grams/ton depending on how this amount is expressed.
That is a very TINY amount. So when they say things like "Negative at the detection limits for the test" and decide to exclude the results that show that trace amounts of Monensin were present...Make sure you are educated and are able to protect your horses from being part of that other 50% that might not survive exposure. |
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| So do we also need to check out our mineral product producers? I use gro strong but I am wondering if I need to change my mineral supplement now |
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Location: Beggs, OK | GLP - 2015-02-05 3:17 PM So do we also need to check out our mineral product producers? I use gro strong but I am wondering if I need to change my mineral supplement now
I apologize for not having gotten that far. I'm just sharing the information that I've found in the articles and studies that I've read on this subject.
Good Question that needs to be researched though! |
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Location: Where its cold and hot | I'm going to share something that happened on our farm the winter of 2012-2013.
We had a boarder barrel horse that was normally very high energy, always ready to go. Her owner was riding her one day in November and she was refusing to trot. This was a mare that you thought of going fast and would go fast. Tried various treatments from the vet and she never got better and then she started making what we called "the noise". The vets had no idea what it was caused from. It progressed to 3 different pastures on our property, but not all horses in each pasture were affected. If the horses TROTTED they started to have severe distress and make the "noise" (see video link at the end to hear it). At the time we had no idea what it was, neither did University vets and all clinics around us. The horses that we knew were affected were quarantined in 10 ft pens. All had normal temps, blood panels, negative for viruses/bacteria, treated with antibiotics, and several other drugs with no improvement. One morning one of our quarantee's had a lot of blood coming out of her nose, threw her in the trailer and headed to the vet hospital. When I went opened the trailer door she was gone. They told me to go home and grab another quarantined one to bring in for 24 hr observation. That one only made it a mile down the road when he passed yet was fine when in a 12x12 stall. At some point we scoped the affected horses and found they all had varying degrees of laryngeal paralysis, and the severe ones making the "noise" were completely paralyzed on both sides of their larynx.
Long story short, the vets suggested a toxin of some sort was paralyzing the laryngeal flaps to the point that when the horses tried to breath harder it caused them to suffocate. The only common factor between the pastures was the hay, grain, and water. We pulled all rounbales and stopped all grain on the same day. We didn't have any new cases after that day. We had been buying roundbales from the same local guy down the road for over 10 years, but had started a new grain 6-8 months prior. The grain was tested and supposedly negative for ionophores or whatever other toxins they can test for. After understanding further how their testing works I highly suspect the grain.
We lost 7 horses that winter and it will be forever in my mind. I truly feel sorry for anyone else that has to go through ANY type of toxin poisoning in their horses.
Video of the respiratory noise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78iXi7k-69M |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I suspect more horses then we know of have been killed by this blaming it all on the ever present "colic" factor. |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-05 3:12 PM Just so that no one is fooled into thinking that trace amounts are not toxic I want to make sure that you understand what you may be reading.
LD50 means this is the Lethal Dose that will kill 50% of the species that will consume this product.
The LD50 for Monensin in Horses is 2-3 mg/kg or 2-3ppm or 2-3 grams/ton depending on how this amount is expressed.
That is a very TINY amount. So when they say things like "Negative at the detection limits for the test" and decide to exclude the results that show that trace amounts of Monensin were present...Make sure you are educated and are able to protect your horses from being part of that other 50% that might not survive exposure.
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Location: Here | 3canstorun - 2015-02-05 3:51 PM I suspect more horses then we know of have been killed by this blaming it all on the ever present "colic" factor.
I agree. Sounds like mills need to clean up their act and seperate facilites! |
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-02-05 3:28 PM GLP - 2015-02-05 3:17 PM So do we also need to check out our mineral product producers? I use gro strong but I am wondering if I need to change my mineral supplement now I apologize for not having gotten that far. I'm just sharing the information that I've found in the articles and studies that I've read on this subject.
Good Question that needs to be researched though!
I don't think anything is safe unless it comes from a Ionopore FREE MILL |
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