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Location: The best kept secret in TX | luckyjo - 2018-01-15 3:17 PM For those of you that don't know, just open the driver's side door of your pickup and look for a white sticker. Your truck's weight is on it. Also, most trailers have a weight sticker with empty weight and recommended weight limit.
You'd think most people would know this.... LOL but most don't. I had a friend call and ask me what PSI her tires needed to be at on her new sedan... She had no idea the sticker existed. I questioned our friendship. Kidding. But seriously...  | |
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Location: 65 miles from the nearest Wal-Mart | luckyjo - 2018-01-15 3:17 PM For those of you that don't know, just open the driver's side door of your pickup and look for a white sticker. Your truck's weight is on it. Also, most trailers have a weight sticker with empty weight and recommended weight limit.
Yup -- and your trailer's GVWR is what it should be able to haul fully loaded -- that's how they get you over-weight tickets. My trailer has a GVWR of 17,343. It has 2, 7500lb axles. The remainder of the weight goes on the tongue (or in other words in the pickup bed). With two horses in that four horse, i'm nowhere near maxed out. but with four, a full tank of water in the LQ, 2 full 30lb propane tanks and 12-13 bales of 80-100lbs of alfalfa on top, it's not hard to see how one could max out quick! haha! | |
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Location: North Texas | luckyjo - 2018-01-15 3:17 PM
For those of you that don't know, just open the driver's side door of your pickup and look for a white sticker. Your truck's weight is on it. Also, most trailers have a weight sticker with empty weight and recommended weight limit.
These are the 'data plates' I keep referring to, that Highway Officials will tally up to determine whether or not a CDL is required on weight alone. No scales required.
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| luckyjo - 2018-01-15 3:17 PM
For those of you that don't know, just open the driver's side door of your pickup and look for a white sticker. Your truck's weight is on it. Also, most trailers have a weight sticker with empty weight and recommended weight limit.
Obviously to know if you need a CDL. You can get a non commercial CDL too. But to be mandated to have an ELD you don't have to have a CDL. You just have to be a commercial vehicle and drive more then 8 days out of of the 100- 150 air miles in 30 days. | |
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Location: 65 miles from the nearest Wal-Mart | Not every state offers a non-commercial CDL. Ours doesn't. | |
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Location: midwest mama | I'm confused.....
Does the electronic log device go on your truck or your trailer?
If it goes on your truck how does it work if your truck is your only vehicle and you drive it a lot when it isn't hooked up to your trailer? | |
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| OldSchoolCowgirl - 2018-01-16 1:36 PM
I'm confused.....
Does the electronic log device go on your truck or your trailer?
If it goes on your truck how does it work if your truck is your only vehicle and you drive it a lot when it isn't hooked up to your trailer?
It goes on the truck because it has to log driving hours. It is wired into the trucks computer to pull data and send via satellite to DOT where they can see drivetime etc. its totally nuts just like you describe. What if your driving 12 hours to visit family with NO TRAILER or non commercial use. It also doesn't take into account multiple drivers. It only records the truck is moving for a specified time. So much for hauling with a buddy and taking turns driving.  | |
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Location: That part of Texas | slipperyslope - 2018-01-09 9:25 PM rushlvr - 2018-01-09 9:47 AM Please understand that once you cross that state line, the 26,001 weight limit rule goes to 10,001 pounds and that is going to involve pretty much anybody can you give me a link to this i can't find it and i have been looking. thanks You go by what YOUR licensing state's laws are. There'd be no way in h for a person to know & follow each state's laws, so BY LAW, you follow YOUR OWN
No, once you cross that state line you are subject to the federal rule then -- and it's 10,001 pounds for everybody, no matter which state you find yourself in. So yes, you do have to know your own state but also that federal law if you cross the state line. | |
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Location: North Texas | Red Raider - 2018-01-16 5:09 PM
slipperyslope - 2018-01-09 9:25 PM rushlvr - 2018-01-09 9:47 AM Please understand that once you cross that state line, the 26,001 weight limit rule goes to 10,001 pounds and that is going to involve pretty much anybody can you give me a link to this i can't find it and i have been looking. thanks You go by what YOUR licensing state's laws are. There'd be no way in h for a person to know & follow each state's laws, so BY LAW, you follow YOUR OWN
The amount of misinformation exhibited on this thread is completely mind boggling. Federal Regs have been in place since about 85/86 in regards to CDL requirements. There is no such animal as an 'non-commercial' C-Commercial D-Driver's L-License! The weight rating is 26001# that requires a CDL! Combined from the data plates of the vehicles being operated! No scales required to tally GVWR figures on data plates! A Medical Card is required for weights over 10000#!
Research via DOT or State DMV, The REGS are ALL THE SAME! | |
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| foundation horse - 2018-01-16 5:42 PM Red Raider - 2018-01-16 5:09 PM slipperyslope - 2018-01-09 9:25 PM rushlvr - 2018-01-09 9:47 AM Please understand that once you cross that state line, the 26,001 weight limit rule goes to 10,001 pounds and that is going to involve pretty much anybody can you give me a link to this i can't find it and i have been looking. thanks You go by what YOUR licensing state's laws are. There'd be no way in h for a person to know & follow each state's laws, so BY LAW, you follow YOUR OWN The amount of misinformation exhibited on this thread is completely mind boggling. Federal Regs have been in place since about 85/86 in regards to CDL requirements. There is no such animal as an 'non-commercial' C-Commercial D-Driver's L-License! The weight rating is 26001# that requires a CDL! Combined from the data plates of the vehicles being operated! No scales required to tally GVWR figures on data plates! A Medical Card is required for weights over 10000#! Research via DOT or State DMV, The REGS are ALL THE SAME!
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| foundation horse - 2018-01-16 5:42 PM
Red Raider - 2018-01-16 5:09 PM
slipperyslope - 2018-01-09 9:25 PM rushlvr - 2018-01-09 9:47 AM Please understand that once you cross that state line, the 26,001 weight limit rule goes to 10,001 pounds and that is going to involve pretty much anybody can you give me a link to this i can't find it and i have been looking. thanks You go by what YOUR licensing state's laws are. There'd be no way in h for a person to know & follow each state's laws, so BY LAW, you follow YOUR OWN
The amount of misinformation exhibited on this thread is completely mind boggling. Federal Regs have been in place since about 85/86 in regards to CDL requirements. There is no such animal as an 'non-commercial' C-Commercial D-Driver's L-License! The weight rating is 26001# that requires a CDL! Combined from the data plates of the vehicles being operated! No scales required to tally GVWR figures on data plates! A Medical Card is required for weights over 10000#!
Research via DOT or State DMV, The REGS are ALL THE SAME!
I am really confused. So if I'm driving in my dually (gvwr 11,400) with NO trailer acrossed state lines to just go visit family or pick something up ect in another state I need a medical card since it's over 10,001 gvwr? Or is it just 10,001 needing a medical card if you are "commercial"? | |
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Location: 65 miles from the nearest Wal-Mart | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-01-16 7:05 PM foundation horse - 2018-01-16 5:42 PM Red Raider - 2018-01-16 5:09 PM slipperyslope - 2018-01-09 9:25 PM rushlvr - 2018-01-09 9:47 AM Please understand that once you cross that state line, the 26,001 weight limit rule goes to 10,001 pounds and that is going to involve pretty much anybody can you give me a link to this i can't find it and i have been looking. thanks You go by what YOUR licensing state's laws are. There'd be no way in h for a person to know & follow each state's laws, so BY LAW, you follow YOUR OWN The amount of misinformation exhibited on this thread is completely mind boggling. Federal Regs have been in place since about 85/86 in regards to CDL requirements. There is no such animal as an 'non-commercial' C-Commercial D-Driver's L-License! The weight rating is 26001# that requires a CDL! Combined from the data plates of the vehicles being operated! No scales required to tally GVWR figures on data plates! A Medical Card is required for weights over 10000#! Research via DOT or State DMV, The REGS are ALL THE SAME! I am really confused. So if I'm driving in my dually (gvwr 11,400 ) with NO trailer acrossed state lines to just go visit family or pick something up ect in another state I need a medical card since it's over 10,001 gvwr? Or is it just 10,001 needing a medical card if you are "commercial"?
No. you don't. The weight threshold for a CMV (Commercial Motor Vehicle) is 10,001Lbs. If you don't have commercial plates and you aren't using it in commerce (which is know is stupid, b/c if you take it shopping, you're participating in commerce). But here's the definiton: You'd need to be using that for your business. and you should have commercial plates. It is your personal vehicle, used for your life. You're not a general contractor running a business out of it, right? You don't hang drywall, or use it to run a lawn mowing business. That's commercial. You just drive it, and use it to have fun going to barrel races. You're not using it to run a business. :) Call your state DOT. They'll agree. | |
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| jropergirl - 2018-01-17 6:16 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-01-16 7:05 PM foundation horse - 2018-01-16 5:42 PM Red Raider - 2018-01-16 5:09 PM slipperyslope - 2018-01-09 9:25 PM rushlvr - 2018-01-09 9:47 AM Please understand that once you cross that state line, the 26,001 weight limit rule goes to 10,001 pounds and that is going to involve pretty much anybody can you give me a link to this i can't find it and i have been looking. thanks You go by what YOUR licensing state's laws are. There'd be no way in h for a person to know & follow each state's laws, so BY LAW, you follow YOUR OWN The amount of misinformation exhibited on this thread is completely mind boggling. Federal Regs have been in place since about 85/86 in regards to CDL requirements. There is no such animal as an 'non-commercial' C-Commercial D-Driver's L-License! The weight rating is 26001# that requires a CDL! Combined from the data plates of the vehicles being operated! No scales required to tally GVWR figures on data plates! A Medical Card is required for weights over 10000#! Research via DOT or State DMV, The REGS are ALL THE SAME! I am really confused. So if I'm driving in my dually (gvwr 11,400 ) with NO trailer acrossed state lines to just go visit family or pick something up ect in another state I need a medical card since it's over 10,001 gvwr? Or is it just 10,001 needing a medical card if you are "commercial"?
you are correct. I only use it as a personal vehicle and for hauling to races. most people driving a Horse trailer that is over the 26,001 weight to a barrel race are supposed to have a cdl or the class a or b license. Well if the weight drops to 10,001 in the truck you normally pull with and are going acrossed state lines..... There is so much here confusion. I guess I should look at my dad's situation. He works for the pipeline out of state and has a mechanic rig that the gvw on the sticker on his truck is actually at 26,000. Saved by one pound lol. So he is not required to need a CDL but has a dot number with a health card. | |
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Location: in the ozone | Red Raider - 2018-01-16 4:09 PM
slipperyslope - 2018-01-09 9:25 PM rushlvr - 2018-01-09 9:47 AM Please understand that once you cross that state line, the 26,001 weight limit rule goes to 10,001 pounds and that is going to involve pretty much anybody can you give me a link to this i can't find it and i have been looking. thanks You go by what YOUR licensing state's laws are. There'd be no way in h for a person to know & follow each state's laws, so BY LAW, you follow YOUR OWN
that 10,001# doesn't apply to recreational use only anyway | |
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | CDL-A = Combination vehicle. ELD's are HARD wired to the ECM of the "power unit" they have the ability to track "teams". The trouble is.... that DOT is cracking down on "personal Conveyance" or when the vehicle is used in the case of a pickup... driven to the grocery store. The other problem is if you have a 40 hour a week job... those 40 hours are considered "on duty" time and tracks against your available time for weekend driving. Yes, that is correct, I've been through a DOT audit. So.... You drive to work, work, drive home... all of those hours will count against the 70 hour rule for the weekend. So in other words, your out of hours before you go to the barrel race. The ELD rule has been coming for over TWO YEARS... where was the outrage then? | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Lucylouwon - 2018-01-18 8:07 AM CDL-A = Combination vehicle. ELD's are HARD wired to the ECM of the "power unit" they have the ability to track "teams". The trouble is.... that DOT is cracking down on "personal Conveyance" or when the vehicle is used in the case of a pickup... driven to the grocery store. The other problem is if you have a 40 hour a week job... those 40 hours are considered "on duty" time and tracks against your available time for weekend driving. Yes, that is correct, I've been through a DOT audit. So.... You drive to work, work, drive home... all of those hours will count against the 70 hour rule for the weekend. So in other words, your out of hours before you go to the barrel race. The ELD rule has been coming for over TWO YEARS... where was the outrage then?
Where was the outrage? No one knew about it. | |
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Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-18 8:41 AM
Lucylouwon - 2018-01-18 8:07 AM CDL-A = Combination vehicle. ELD's are HARD wired to the ECM of the "power unit" they have the ability to track "teams". The trouble is.... that DOT is cracking down on "personal Conveyance" or when the vehicle is used in the case of a pickup... driven to the grocery store. The other problem is if you have a 40 hour a week job... those 40 hours are considered "on duty" time and tracks against your available time for weekend driving. Yes, that is correct, I've been through a DOT audit. So.... You drive to work, work, drive home... all of those hours will count against the 70 hour rule for the weekend. So in other words, your out of hours before you go to the barrel race. The ELD rule has been coming for over TWO YEARS... where was the outrage then?
Where was the outrage? No one knew about it.
I have to agree. The publicity was NOT there.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-18 9:41 AM Lucylouwon - 2018-01-18 8:07 AM CDL-A = Combination vehicle. ELD's are HARD wired to the ECM of the "power unit" they have the ability to track "teams". The trouble is.... that DOT is cracking down on "personal Conveyance" or when the vehicle is used in the case of a pickup... driven to the grocery store. The other problem is if you have a 40 hour a week job... those 40 hours are considered "on duty" time and tracks against your available time for weekend driving. Yes, that is correct, I've been through a DOT audit. So.... You drive to work, work, drive home... all of those hours will count against the 70 hour rule for the weekend. So in other words, your out of hours before you go to the barrel race. The ELD rule has been coming for over TWO YEARS... where was the outrage then? Where was the outrage? No one knew about it.
It actually was in all of the magazines, newspapers etc that deal with trucking. Even the WSJ had articles on it. For at lest the last 4-5 years.
So, if you don't read those things, you didn't know. The ELD manufacturers are the ones pushing hard for this - think lobbyists. Just another get me and a way to sell a product.
It wasn't until it actually passed, (was posted on the federal register for more then two years), that people got into an uproar. The livestock community and haulers should have, could have, etc., got it stopped a lot earlier then they did. But, as usual, this group, that group etc., not one group alone has enough power and/or money to hire the best lobbyists. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Here it is back in 2014 being talked about -
Federal Register :: Electronic Logging Devices and Hours of Service ...https://www.federalregister.gov/.../electronic-logging-devices-and-hours-of-service-su... Mar 28, 2014 - The requirement for printers with each ELD would increase ELD costs by about 40 percent. This is the first time that FMCSA has explored requiring a printer, and it seeks comment on the feasibility and accuracy of the benefit and cost estimates associated with this requirement. Only Option 2, which would ... | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | 3canstorun - 2018-01-18 10:05 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-18 9:41 AM Lucylouwon - 2018-01-18 8:07 AM CDL-A = Combination vehicle. ELD's are HARD wired to the ECM of the "power unit" they have the ability to track "teams". The trouble is.... that DOT is cracking down on "personal Conveyance" or when the vehicle is used in the case of a pickup... driven to the grocery store. The other problem is if you have a 40 hour a week job... those 40 hours are considered "on duty" time and tracks against your available time for weekend driving. Yes, that is correct, I've been through a DOT audit. So.... You drive to work, work, drive home... all of those hours will count against the 70 hour rule for the weekend. So in other words, your out of hours before you go to the barrel race. The ELD rule has been coming for over TWO YEARS... where was the outrage then? Where was the outrage? No one knew about it.
So, if you don't read those things, you didn't know. The ELD manufacturers are the ones pushing hard for this - think lobbyists. Just another get me and a way to sell a product.
It wasn't until it actually passed, (was posted on the federal register for more then two years), that people got into an uproar. The livestock community and haulers should have, could have, etc., got it stopped a lot earlier then they did. But, as usual, this group, that group etc., not one group alone has enough power and/or money to hire the best lobbyists.
it's being pushed much harder by the big boys.
JB Hunt, Schnieder, etc.
They will use it as a means of cutting the O/O out of the loop
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