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Location: south central usa | for the ones saying greed is the motivation, let your employer promise a set salary and then short it by 10% and see if you say anything.
as far as a contract, no one on here probably knows what the original contract states, but just because a lawyer drafts it doesnt mean that it is worth the paper it was printed on - ive seen more cr@pola documents drafted by lawyers than quality - ask five people and get six opinions on the what a legal doc is intending to accomplish.
sounds like that is the biggest issue, probably different interpretations and being unable to settle
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Location: Phoenix | Gunner11 - 2014-03-17 9:07 AM What I find a little funny is how so many people feel sorry for the horse, like he's a kid in the middle of a messy divorce. Latte has not one clue about anything going on. Do you really think he's going to be broken hearted if he has a new home and new owner/rider? Horses get sold/traded/leased all the time without a single thought to the horse's "feelings". Just my thoughts 
I completely agree. I also don't think people will "let" Mary win. This is a business deal. Someone out there does not care about her situation. I had no idea this was happening but it is indeed a sad situation. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bibliafarm - 2014-03-17 12:11 PM Keep it classy I think it means.
no personal trash talk.
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| Sangria - 2014-03-17 11:01 AM smiley - 2014-03-17 11:33 AM ForumAdmin - 2014-03-17 9:35 AM No slandering will be allowed.
This thread is on thin ice. If it gets ugly again it goes.
I really don't think you fully understand what slander is or is not. No one has been slandered here, no one. And for those that think hateful things have been said - really? Hateful? You need to get out more, I think this thread has been very careful about everything that has been said.
THIS is just why I don't come here much any longer - treated like children. 
That's part of my point. Libel is written and it has to have malicious intent, it has to be made with thought and malice as well as making the wronged party actually lose income, due to a deal that they referenced specifically the libel or a job loss in which the libel played a part.
Slander is not something that happens because someone had an opinion on an OPINION forum. If you don't want gossip, don't own a forum in which gossip gets you advertiser hits and keeps your site relevant.
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Location: Midwest | Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-17 12:42 PM
Bibliafarm - 2014-03-17 12:11 PM Keep it classy I think it means.
no personal trash talk.Â
I can do Klassy
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| runnink - 2014-03-17 11:35 AM for the ones saying greed is the motivation, let your employer promise a set salary and then short it by 10% and see if you say anything. as far as a contract, no one on here probably knows what the original contract states, but just because a lawyer drafts it doesnt mean that it is worth the paper it was printed on - ive seen more cr@pola documents drafted by lawyers than quality - ask five people and get six opinions on the what a legal doc is intending to accomplish. sounds like that is the biggest issue, probably different interpretations and being unable to settle
I used that word, but I did not necessarily mean it toward the co-owner. Frankly, I don't know enough about either party to have a real solid opinion, other than I think there would be less drama and less opinions online if it had never gotten this far in the first place!
And btw, as an aside, the govt., does it to their employees all the time - furlough comes to mind. But I get your point and I agree with it! |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-03-17 11:43 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-17 12:42 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-03-17 12:11 PM Keep it classy I think it means.
no personal trash talk. I can do Klassy that's as good as it gets for me.
One person's "classy" is another person's "OMG, did she just say that?"
For example, a price was put out on here, one person at the very least thinks that's bad form, others are like "what's the big deal?"
You can't please everyone. BHW should quit trying to silence the very people that keep it running - again, just an opinion, and you know what they say about opinions :) |
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| I agree, every bit of this is a business deal. I have seen pro's sell horses that were awesome and people wonder why? The answer they give, it was strictly a business decision. |
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Location: Florida.. | yes I was referancing anything or one.. just saying what I thought was meant regarding personal stuff or a person..
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Location: san antonio texas | TxBronc - 2014-03-16 11:48 PM So basically the Walkers could bid a million dollars and would "only" put another 100k in him? This doesn't sound like a wise decision on the judges part. He should have just made a decision on the value. Because no one will out bid them I'm sure, because they are only paying 10 percent of what anyone else would. So either they won't get any bidders or the other party will either run the bid up or have someone else do it. I would assume the walkers would go up to at least one million if not a little more.....
Not true. Acct will b set up and the $ from
auction will go into that acct. No money will be released until Cogburn is paid first. So there will have to be real money sitting in that acct for a certain amount of time until the courts get around to dispersing it. |
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| LIVE2RUN - 2014-03-17 10:28 AM
I bet the Brazilian's will be snatching him up!!
Geldings are useless to the Brazilians unless one of them wants to have a daughter make an NFR run here. Geldings can't be imported into Brazil. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I thought this threat got the Zapper again?  |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 3 To Go - 2014-03-17 2:10 PM LIVE2RUN - 2014-03-17 10:28 AM I bet the Brazilian's will be snatching him up!! Geldings are useless to the Brazilians unless one of them wants to have a daughter make an NFR run here. Geldings can't be imported into Brazil.
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-17 12:18 PM
3 To Go - 2014-03-17 2:10 PM LIVE2RUN - 2014-03-17 10:28 AM I bet the Brazilian's will be snatching him up!! Geldings are useless to the Brazilians unless one of them wants to have a daughter make an NFR run here. Geldings can't be imported into Brazil.
This is true, but seems a bit excessive Do the Brazilians allow clones into the country? I have never heard anything one way or the other about it. |
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| Herbie - 2014-03-17 8:46 AM
Make no mistake, this is not the first nice horse that has come from Cheri Cogburn's barn. I don't know her personally other than to say "nice run" or smile when riding by at a barrel race, but what I can say is that Cheri played a big part in making Latte what he is. I can remember seeing her trot him through the exhibitions as a colt.  Perhaps she's not the name you think of when you think of Latte, but the hard work was done when Mary swung her leg over him for the first time. As a trainer, sometimes it is very hard to set your pride aside, back off and try to win something and you need someone more "fearless" to do this for you to bring a horse from a nice horse to a great horse. This IMO is where Mary comes in. I'm not discounting what she has accomplished on him, but the horse was pretty much finished when she got him. Maybe not seasoned, but finished. As for CL's post about equistat earnings.....that's not a justifiable mark as to the horse's worth, and if so, the Walker's giving $120K for a horse with those meager earnings is insane. Give me a break! And to be honest, I think it was in poor taste to list dollar amounts anyway.Â
I can assure you that the Cogburns are not attention seeking people who are trying to take away a horse from a deserving person. Bottom line is had the Walker's held up their end of the aggreement, this wouldn't be the situation. They did not. Period. My hope is that someone DESERVING gets the horse. Wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit to see Cheri get him back and for her to spank us even more at our little local barrel races, however she probably just wants to get what she is owed and be done with the deal all together.
Just because Mary suffered personal tragedy (and please understand i'm not taking that lightly....no parent should ever have to endure the pain of losing a child) doesn't maek her the deserving party here. She didn't make the horse....she took him from a very nice horse to a great horse by being able to throw pride aside and just going and trying to win something, but she didn't hold up her end of the agreement. I wish the best for the Cogburns and hope they get what they are owed and pray that Latte finds himself in the hands of someone who will appreciate him for what he is.Â
I have read all 11 of these pages and can say that this is the most honest (AND VERY MUCH TRUE) reply that has been posted. Kudos for you for speaking the reality of the whole situation!!!! |
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| I highly doubt anyone will end up with the horse other than the Walkers. Then they will be required to pay the 10% of what he is worth now to the other party. Maybe this wasn't a shady deal that everyone is thinking..... Maybe this is a way to get out of the contract with the second party so they have full ownership and not required to pay out the 10% anymore. They are buying the 10% from the other party and the only way to determine what that amount is is to run him through an auction. Maybe the Walkers decided that they had paid enough already to the second party to full fill the contract and went to court to see if they could get out of it, the judge determined otherwise and that if they wanted out they needed to buy out, the only way to do that would be to determine the horses value as of now.
** as you can tell im no lawyer and have no idea all the terms when it comes to stuff like this but you get the just of what I think........ |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-17 2:18 PM I thought this threat got the Zapper again?
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| FlyingJT - 2014-03-17 2:47 PM I highly doubt anyone will end up with the horse other than the Walkers. Then they will be required to pay the 10% of what he is worth now to the other party. Maybe this wasn't a shady deal that everyone is thinking..... Maybe this is a way to get out of the contract with the second party so they have full ownership and not required to pay out the 10% anymore. They are buying the 10% from the other party and the only way to determine what that amount is is to run him through an auction. Maybe the Walkers decided that they had paid enough already to the second party to full fill the contract and went to court to see if they could get out of it, the judge determined otherwise and that if they wanted out they needed to buy out, the only way to do that would be to determine the horses value as of now. ** as you can tell im no lawyer and have no idea all the terms when it comes to stuff like this but you get the just of what I think........
That is what I have said a couple of times, may be a strategy to this, some fancy lawyering going on to get out of paying what was agreed to and to get out of the partnership. |
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Location: Texas | someone stated that money is the root of all money. actually its the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Some may think there isnt a difference but there is. Someone didnt do their part, which is why it was taken to court. A great horse maybe sold mostly because someone didnt keep their promises. A lot of what is wrong in this world is 'someone' didnt keep their promises. I for one just want wrongs made right but the best way Im going to do that is pray that God will work miracles in this situation and it wont have to come down to a bidding war. Let everyone involved forgive and forget and do the right thing. |
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