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| Frodo - 2015-02-25 6:41 AM
Soooooo if some racehorses in the Kentucky Derby were forced to carry an extra 100 lbs, you're saying it would still be an even contest? A little confused here. I remember in our NBHA group junior riders carrying off the trophy saddles every year. They didn't want anything to do with the junior division. There was more money in riding with heavier riders and their parents knew that very well.Â
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Back on page one you brought up WPRA and GRA and their rules. Now you bring up the Kentucky Derby and the NBHA and their rules SO WHAT. None of their rules apply. Chayni played by the rules. She (or her folks) put up their money and ran against all who entered and beat them simple as that. Ten pages of the ground was bad or kids should have a different division or this or that makes ZERO difference. All who entered played by the rules period. And when it was all over a little nine year old girl bet them all. I congratulate her and her folks. I think we are looking at one of the future super stars of barrel racing. I hope she wins it all.
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| Frodo - 2015-02-25 6:41 AM
Soooooo if some racehorses in the Kentucky Derby were forced to carry an extra 100 lbs, you're saying it would still be an even contest? A little confused here. I remember in our NBHA group junior riders carrying off the trophy saddles every year. They didn't want anything to do with the junior division. There was more money in riding with heavier riders and their parents knew that very well.Â
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Just what exactly are you afraid of? Here in Texas and everywhere else in this great nation, most of us are striving to be the best we can be in competition. I will never be one of the best, but I durn sure love competing against them to see how I am progressing. I don't care what size they are. I have been beaten by bigger girls and littler ones. A couple of times I have outrun smaller riders. That is the beauty of rodeo competition, at least until here recently. Anyone could enter and have a shot at the money. At no other athletic competition was that even possible. I love watching the underdog win and it happens more in rodeo than any other sport. The American is just about the only rodeo that that is possible. I would pay more to go watch the American than any other big rodeo because of that. |
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Location: OH | GLP - 2015-02-25 11:52 AM Frodo - 2015-02-25 6:41 AM Soooooo if some racehorses in the Kentucky Derby were forced to carry an extra 100 lbs, you're saying it would still be an even contest? A little confused here. I remember in our NBHA group junior riders carrying off the trophy saddles every year. They didn't want anything to do with the junior division. There was more money in riding with heavier riders and their parents knew that very well.
Just what exactly are you afraid of? Here in Texas and everywhere else in this great nation, most of us are striving to be the best we can be in competition. I will never be one of the best, but I durn sure love competing against them to see how I am progressing. I don't care what size they are. I have been beaten by bigger girls and littler ones. A couple of times I have outrun smaller riders. That is the beauty of rodeo competition, at least until here recently. Anyone could enter and have a shot at the money. At no other athletic competition was that even possible. I love watching the underdog win and it happens more in rodeo than any other sport. The American is just about the only rodeo that that is possible. I would pay more to go watch the American than any other big rodeo because of that.
Whoever said anything about The American ever being an "even contest". Are we gonna start weighing riders and add weighted saddle pads to make everyone equal. WAIT---in TB racing if you ride a BUG, which is a novice rider you are allowed a lesser weight. So a young rider can weigh less. |
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| Mighty Broke - 2015-02-25 11:04 AM
GLP - 2015-02-25 11:52 AM Frodo - 2015-02-25 6:41 AM Soooooo if some racehorses in the Kentucky Derby were forced to carry an extra 100 lbs, you're saying it would still be an even contest? A little confused here. I remember in our NBHA group junior riders carrying off the trophy saddles every year. They didn't want anything to do with the junior division. There was more money in riding with heavier riders and their parents knew that very well.Â
 Just what exactly are you afraid of? Here in Texas and everywhere else in this great nation, most of us are striving to be the best we can be in competition. I will never be one of the best, but I durn sure love competing against them to see how I am progressing. I don't care what size they are. I have been beaten by bigger girls and littler ones. A couple of times I have outrun smaller riders. That is the beauty of rodeo competition, at least until here recently. Anyone could enter and have a shot at the money. At no other athletic competition was that even possible. I love watching the underdog win and it happens more in rodeo than any other sport. The American is just about the only rodeo that that is possible. I would pay more to go watch the American than any other big rodeo because of that.
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| I cannot believe some responses on here.. If this was your child you would be over-the-moon for them, yet when it is not you/your child you are b*tching about them.. Yes, she weighs less but she has the horsemanship to back it. She is not just sitting there while the horse does everything.. she is RIDING! All the people complaining about this have jealously issues they need help with and have probably been beaten by youth and are bitter about it.. Guess what rodeo isn't fair- never has been, never will be. How about we spend less time degrading the people in out sport and more time being happy for one another because they are all doing something WONDERFUL for our sport that EVERYONE wants.. Look at the big pictures and get over your insecurities. 
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Location: Where I am happiest | Kids just get in and go. They dont think they are a trainer. They dont think "Hey, he has a tendency to drop his shoulder on the second so I need to really pick him up there" or any other thing. They dont over think anything, so they arent over riding, trying to dictate every little thing on their run. THAT is why they can get on these older seasoned horses and smoke everybody. They go WITH the horse and stay out of their way!! They just let that horse work and stay with him. The weight factor isnt the biggest factor AT ALL in why they win. As the old saying goes "Ignorance is bliss" is the biggest factor on their smoken times. |
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Location: MD | I remember back when I was in my teens I was running in Central FL and there was definitely a time that if you were over the age of 10, you were going to be hardpressed to win a barrel race. With Ally Sue Hayes and Jim's Imp, Tess Ducheneaux and Nell's Golden Girl and Marsee Ferguson on Boogie, we were pretty stacked with talents kids mounted on nice horses and they rode those suckers! No need to complain. I always thought that the fact that we were entering the OPEN kind of explained that we would be running against anyone who paid their EF. |
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Location: OH | Tatum2 - 2015-02-25 12:17 PM I cannot believe some responses on here.. If this was your child you would be over-the-moon for them, yet when it is not you/your child you are b*tching about them.. Yes, she weighs less but she has the horsemanship to back it. She is not just sitting there while the horse does everything.. she is RIDING! All the people complaining about this have jealously issues they need help with and have probably been beaten by youth and are bitter about it.. Guess what rodeo isn't fair- never has been, never will be. How about we spend less time degrading the people in out sport and more time being happy for one another because they are all doing something WONDERFUL for our sport that EVERYONE wants.. Look at the big pictures and get over your insecurities.
Exactly what I have been saying---you just said it a lot better. This is HUGE for our sport---NATIONAL EXPOSURE, barrel racing rarely gets that. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | I am 29 years old and I think she's just the coolest cutest kid! I want her autograph.... shes so young and likely a better rider then I was or will ever be.
It's a barrel race... shes smaller then them but has loads stacked against her too. Other people have more experience, strength... maybe balance and practice (I don't know so I say maybe). I think it evens itself out personally. Let the girl do her thing and lets just support the next generation of riders and our sport getting some great recognition. |
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Location: OH | ThreeCorners - 2015-02-25 12:18 PM Kids just get in and go. They dont think they are a trainer. They dont think "Hey, he has a tendency to drop his shoulder on the second so I need to really pick him up there" or any other thing. They dont over think anything, so they arent over riding, trying to dictate every little thing on their run. THAT is why they can get on these older seasoned horses and smoke everybody. They go WITH the horse and stay out of their way!! They just let that horse work and stay with him. The weight factor isnt the biggest factor AT ALL in why they win. As the old saying goes "Ignorance is bliss" is the biggest factor on their smoken times.
Plus pressure----MOST kids are not effected by it, HOPEFULLY. This week truly has me worried though, I imagine she is getting pulled in a million different directions. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Mighty Broke - 2015-02-25 11:04 AM GLP - 2015-02-25 11:52 AM Frodo - 2015-02-25 6:41 AM Soooooo if some racehorses in the Kentucky Derby were forced to carry an extra 100 lbs, you're saying it would still be an even contest? A little confused here. I remember in our NBHA group junior riders carrying off the trophy saddles every year. They didn't want anything to do with the junior division. There was more money in riding with heavier riders and their parents knew that very well.
Just what exactly are you afraid of? Here in Texas and everywhere else in this great nation, most of us are striving to be the best we can be in competition. I will never be one of the best, but I durn sure love competing against them to see how I am progressing. I don't care what size they are. I have been beaten by bigger girls and littler ones. A couple of times I have outrun smaller riders. That is the beauty of rodeo competition, at least until here recently. Anyone could enter and have a shot at the money. At no other athletic competition was that even possible. I love watching the underdog win and it happens more in rodeo than any other sport. The American is just about the only rodeo that that is possible. I would pay more to go watch the American than any other big rodeo because of that.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Mighty Broke - 2015-02-25 11:23 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-02-25 12:18 PM Kids just get in and go. They dont think they are a trainer. They dont think "Hey, he has a tendency to drop his shoulder on the second so I need to really pick him up there" or any other thing. They dont over think anything, so they arent over riding, trying to dictate every little thing on their run. THAT is why they can get on these older seasoned horses and smoke everybody. They go WITH the horse and stay out of their way!! They just let that horse work and stay with him. The weight factor isnt the biggest factor AT ALL in why they win. As the old saying goes "Ignorance is bliss" is the biggest factor on their smoken times. Plus pressure----MOST kids are not effected by it, HOPEFULLY. This week truly has me worried though, I imagine she is getting pulled in a million different directions.
Exactly! They dont even really have any concept of money yet. They dont realize just how much money is $1 Million. Just like her interview when they asked if she had ever won a check as big as the $40,000 check and she went blank..........thought......blank........."Well I think so". $1000 would mean the same to her as $40,000 and $40,000 means the same as $1 million. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Mighty Broke - 2015-02-25 11:04 AM GLP - 2015-02-25 11:52 AM Frodo - 2015-02-25 6:41 AM Soooooo if some racehorses in the Kentucky Derby were forced to carry an extra 100 lbs, you're saying it would still be an even contest? A little confused here. I remember in our NBHA group junior riders carrying off the trophy saddles every year. They didn't want anything to do with the junior division. There was more money in riding with heavier riders and their parents knew that very well.
Just what exactly are you afraid of? Here in Texas and everywhere else in this great nation, most of us are striving to be the best we can be in competition. I will never be one of the best, but I durn sure love competing against them to see how I am progressing. I don't care what size they are. I have been beaten by bigger girls and littler ones. A couple of times I have outrun smaller riders. That is the beauty of rodeo competition, at least until here recently. Anyone could enter and have a shot at the money. At no other athletic competition was that even possible. I love watching the underdog win and it happens more in rodeo than any other sport. The American is just about the only rodeo that that is possible. I would pay more to go watch the American than any other big rodeo because of that.
There are plenty of people that want to complain about running against children that given the opportunity at the same age with the same level of horsepower would never have accomplished this much. That little girl can ride. I am looking forward to seeing them compete on Sunday.
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Location: PNW | I get my butt handed to me (and so do ALL the adults in my area) on a regular basis by a ten year-old who can ride the hair off of anything. And I love it. She is one of the hardest working individuals I know, of any age, and she is absolutely killing it. She is the future of our sport, just like all the little ones running in The American. We should be over-the-moon that these kids are even TRYING, much less succeeding. They had the balls to enter qualifiers against people with YEARS, if not DECADES more experience than themselves.
And who gives a rip if they use a magic seat? They don't bestow you with natural talent and the benefits of hard work. They absorb some of the torque that comes from riding a powerful horse. They don't make your hands soft, don't position your hands for you, don't tell you when to rate, when to pick up, when to kick, when to whip, or when to sit down. They simply help a smaller, less powerful individual absorb some of the force of a powerful horse. So just stop.
This is The American. WPRA, GRA, NBHA, and Jockey Club rules don't apply, so your argument is useless and has nothing to do with the price of rice in China.
Be happy for these kids. If weight is that much of an issue for you and other people, buy a treadmill and eat like a rabbit. You're never going to weigh less than a 9 year old, so I would just give up on that dead horse now and roll it into the grave. Weight plays a part, absolutely; weight, just like a magic seat though - DOES NOT REPLACE NATURAL ABILITY OR HARD WORK. I am a pretty large person (5'11" and roughly 170 LBS) but I can out ride people that weigh less than me because I am fit, I work hard, and focus on my horsemanship and equitation versus just kicking and praying.
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| One more difference between the kids you're whining about and bashing. They're out riding their horses, and YOU are behind a keyboard with 65,987 posts!! |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | I just want to add that Chayni has made an impact on kids younger than her already. We have some really good friends and they are all very handy (mom and dad have made the circuit finals and have had horses go to the NFR). Anyway this little girl is only 4 or 5 and just started loping her moms old horse through the pattern. When she heard how old Chayni was she turned to her mom and said "I want to do that, how fast do I need to go!"
She may only be 9 but she is setting a great example for kids younger than her and use that are way older. I know I will be cheering for her. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | stayceem - 2015-02-22 10:58 AM Anyone know how FloJo is bred?
Here is a link to the article about her and the horse...........click on Feb 24th issue.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | The bottom line is.........she has a really nice horse........and she is a good jockey.......no doubt.....a horse will make you famous.........js |
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| You keyboard jockeys can get your blood boiling some more......Chayni is now sitting 2nd at the Patriot invitational |
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Location: Beggs, OK | caboy61 - 2015-02-25 1:48 PM You keyboard jockeys can get your blood boiling some more......Chayni is now sitting 2nd at the Patriot invitational
Actually she's sitting 4th right now. There was a 4 and two 6's ahead of her. She had a nice run today. |
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