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Location: South Central Florida | What I don't understand is the DNA proved it is NOT the stud they paid for, so if the DNA can prove it is the "other" stud, if I were the stud owner, to me it would make me look good to fix this. If he feels he was screwed out of a stud fee, what ever the issue, it makes them look bad also.
I would bet if this colt ever does anything great....everyone will want to claim it. 
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Location: Arkansas | total performance - 2016-02-03 7:02 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2016-02-02 11:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. Maybe it's what SHE'S got that's so special  Yep, I went there---sorry!!
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| I had to file the breeding report myself ( and the owner was court ordered to sign) and pay for it, to get my colt registered. Can not understand why they won't add the mare, just plain bad business, if you ask me, not matter how you look at it.
I hate the litigious road so easily taken, but if I were the OP or the owner of such a highly proven performance mare I would be suing their pants off since they are so unwilling to make things right
I don't know both sides, but obviously someone screwed up and it wasn't the mare owner or the OP.....make it right!!! |
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Simons Stalker
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Location: Grandfield, OK | The colt was purchased at 10 days old. I can assure you that the gentleman that bought the embryo, paid the stud fee, paid the vet fee to have the embryo transferred into the recipient mare and fed that mare for a year wanted a Vegas Resort foal. There was absolutely no wrong doing on his part, nor the owner of Vegas Resort. The vet screwed up, or somebody in his clinic did. They agreed it was their fault. Now litigation is now in order to reclaim the losses and there lies the problem. I can not imagiine why the stallion owner, I now know is Rhonda Jones won't put the mare on her breeding report. He can only prove her stallion. We have no idea where the missing vial of Vegas Resort semen is, nobody showed up with a foal that was supposed to be by Can't Bully This Guy and was by Vegas Resort. We are going to fight this out in court it looks like. Somebody is going to have a very large attorney bill and it won't be anybody that didn't have fault. It's just a shame it has to come to this. That baby wasn't cheap, never was planned to be either. Most embyo transfer babies are made because somebod felt they would be great horses. This was no exception. |
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Location: Central Montana | I am not in the breeding business so this question is ONLY for those of you who own stallions....how many of you would amend a report to include a mare you never received any stud fees on? If you did, what steps would you then have to take to get your fees? |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | GoinJettin - 2016-02-06 9:56 PM
I am not in the breeding business so this question is ONLY for those of you who own stallions....how many of you would amend a report to include a mare you never received any stud fees on? If you did, what steps would you then have to take to get your fees?
In this case, that's a bit of an over simplification with some missing information. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | GoinJettin - 2016-02-06 7:56 PM
I am not in the breeding business so this question is ONLY for those of you who own stallions....how many of you would amend a report to include a mare you never received any stud fees on? If you did, what steps would you then have to take to get your fees?
For this mare, I would put her on the breeding report as fast as I could. No charge. Chances are this mare's foal could help promote a good share of the stallions out there. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | cowboytravel - 2016-02-06 9:57 AM The colt was purchased at 10 days old. I can assure you that the gentleman that bought the embryo, paid the stud fee, paid the vet fee to have the embryo transferred into the recipient mare and fed that mare for a year wanted a Vegas Resort foal. There was absolutely no wrong doing on his part, nor the owner of Vegas Resort. The vet screwed up, or somebody in his clinic did. They agreed it was their fault. Now litigation is now in order to reclaim the losses and there lies the problem. I can not imagiine why the stallion owner, I now know is Rhonda Jones won't put the mare on her breeding report. He can only prove her stallion. We have no idea where the missing vial of Vegas Resort semen is, nobody showed up with a foal that was supposed to be by Can't Bully This Guy and was by Vegas Resort. We are going to fight this out in court it looks like. Somebody is going to have a very large attorney bill and it won't be anybody that didn't have fault. It's just a shame it has to come to this. That baby wasn't cheap, never was planned to be either. Most embyo transfer babies are made because somebod felt they would be great horses. This was no exception.
I am curious. If it was purchased at 10 days old, and was a color that was not possible if by VR. Why was it still purchased? Was it not known about the color possibility? I know that is very common, until recently there were some color combos I guess I would have not known about. |
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Location: Okemah,OK | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-07 2:10 PM
cowboytravel - 2016-02-06 9:57 AM The colt was purchased at 10 days old. I can assure you that the gentleman that bought the embryo, paid the stud fee, paid the vet fee to have the embryo transferred into the recipient mare and fed that mare for a year wanted a Vegas Resort foal. There was absolutely no wrong doing on his part, nor the owner of Vegas Resort. The vet screwed up, or somebody in his clinic did. They agreed it was their fault. Now litigation is now in order to reclaim the losses and there lies the problem. I can not imagiine why the stallion owner, I now know is Rhonda Jones won't put the mare on her breeding report. He can only prove her stallion. We have no idea where the missing vial of Vegas Resort semen is, nobody showed up with a foal that was supposed to be by Can't Bully This Guy and was by Vegas Resort. We are going to fight this out in court it looks like. Somebody is going to have a very large attorney bill and it won't be anybody that didn't have fault. It's just a shame it has to come to this. That baby wasn't cheap, never was planned to be either. Most embyo transfer babies are made because somebod felt they would be great horses. This was no exception.
I am curious. If it was purchased at 10 days old, and was a color that was not possible if by VR. Why was it still purchased? Was it not known about the color possibility? I know that is very common, until recently there were some color combos I guess I would have not known about.
I was initially unsure if the baby was already born or still in utero but now understand that these were several day old babies. If the mare is sorrel and the desired stud is Bay Roan, did the purchaser not question why this one was yellow? I agree the breeder should add this colt to the breeding report.... Only excuse I can fathom is the close relationship to the vet. He may or may not advising her to sit still until this all hashes out? Doesn't make it right, but the court may see that as admission of guilt or acceptance to making restitution??? |
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| kakbarrelracer - 2016-02-06 9:44 PM
GoinJettin - 2016-02-06 7:56 PM
I am not in the breeding business so this question is ONLY for those of you who own stallions....how many of you would amend a report to include a mare you never received any stud fees on? If you did, what steps would you then have to take to get your fees?
For this mare, I would put her on the breeding report as fast as I could. No charge. Chances are this mare's foal could help promote a good share of the stallions out there.
I agree. With what this stud has done, it's highly unlikely he would have ever gotten this caliber of a rope mare to breed had there not been the screw up in semen. Why wouldn't you put her on the breeding report? |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | Lets also not forget the DNA verified sire stands for $750. $500 if early booked. So he's far from a $4000 or more stud fee type of sire. They should just add the mare to the breeding report and thank their lucky star's he has one out there from one of the best mares on the planet. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | Honestly knowing now how they run their business(vet and stallion owner) I doubt they have any sense so i would not do buisness with them. anyone not smart enough to add that mare to a report is making a buisness mistake. that colt could make other colts by that stallion worth more by making him look good. when i was looking to breed/buy a colt I was looking at stallion owners that promote their stallion and in a good way! |
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Simons Stalker
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Location: Grandfield, OK | whiplashranch - 2016-02-08 12:40 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-07 2:10 PM cowboytravel - 2016-02-06 9:57 AM The colt was purchased at 10 days old. I can assure you that the gentleman that bought the embryo, paid the stud fee, paid the vet fee to have the embryo transferred into the recipient mare and fed that mare for a year wanted a Vegas Resort foal. There was absolutely no wrong doing on his part, nor the owner of Vegas Resort. The vet screwed up, or somebody in his clinic did. They agreed it was their fault. Now litigation is now in order to reclaim the losses and there lies the problem. I can not imagiine why the stallion owner, I now know is Rhonda Jones won't put the mare on her breeding report. He can only prove her stallion. We have no idea where the missing vial of Vegas Resort semen is, nobody showed up with a foal that was supposed to be by Can't Bully This Guy and was by Vegas Resort. We are going to fight this out in court it looks like. Somebody is going to have a very large attorney bill and it won't be anybody that didn't have fault. It's just a shame it has to come to this. That baby wasn't cheap, never was planned to be either. Most embyo transfer babies are made because somebod felt they would be great horses. This was no exception. I am curious. If it was purchased at 10 days old, and was a color that was not possible if by VR. Why was it still purchased? Was it not known about the color possibility? I know that is very common, until recently there were some color combos I guess I would have not known about. I was initially unsure if the baby was already born or still in utero but now understand that these were several day old babies. If the mare is sorrel and the desired stud is Bay Roan, did the purchaser not question why this one was yellow? I agree the breeder should add this colt to the breeding report.... Only excuse I can fathom is the close relationship to the vet. He may or may not advising her to sit still until this all hashes out? Doesn't make it right, but the court may see that as admission of guilt or acceptance to making restitution???
I completely agree. Call it my ignorance on color genetics. The mares sire is a dun and I assumed this was the slight chance that made him a palomino. I now know differently. I know a lot more about a lot of things, lol. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? Say what?????????
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM
I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare?
WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read? |
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Location: CTX | rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare?
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| rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM
I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare?
I heard that too.... I thought someone on here or facebook said it happened to them. Hmm... I'll have to dig around |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ThreeCorners - 2016-02-10 11:21 AM rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read?
Sounds like a bunch of "BULL" to me.......but IF it was on the internet, after all, it must be true! LOL |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | I read it from someone responding to the OP on her Facebook. I am asking if the person said it as a joke or if it is real. |
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