magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM

Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place!

foundation horse - 2016-06-17 12:33 PM I generally cry in apathy because of them. My Boys know better because I have them in an educational environment that actually teaches. Plus, I have drilled them on the Constitution for years.

magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 10:14 PM

This is the statement that irks me slightly, simply because I care about what I do and put my heart and soul into my job. You bet my kids learn. There are so many moments that I wish I could truly put into words how wonderful they are to be a part of....such as helping students work thru a disagreement civilly, keeping everyone calm when a kid pukes all over the place, watching a student who struggles with socializing get up and present a project without any fear.



Now I don't have my panties in a huge wad over the statement,  trust me I hear stuff like this every day for the past 7 years. I guess I just wish politics aside people opened their eyes to the good things education does. Republican,  Democrat, whoever the president is.....doesn't keep me or stop me from doing my job the best that I can and I tell you there are others out there that do the same.



ETA: It just seels like society as a whole focuses on all the negative aspects of teaching. We hear more bad than good on all sides. :-/ Such is the job we signed up for.

 

RidenFly - 2016-06-14 6:22 PM

As an individual, you all know that I've debated and been against the wall in my opinion for years, here, there, everywhere.  However, I'm finding that debating the other party is increasingly becoming more about anger and hate then debating issues or facts at least how we may interpet them.  I didn't think we'd ever as a nation become more divided then we seem to be at the moment.  So many people are going to snap over this that for the first time, I feel actual fear for voicing an opinion on social media.  This isn't what America is about and when I look for a leader to speak for me, It blows my mind that Trump is honestly the one doing it.  A part of me wants to hide under a rock.  Is it so important to be right in absolutes or is it better to work together putting differences aside for a common goal.  Sure, I waiver on my beliefs about homosexuality but I want us all to be safe, free and happy.  This sucks.

Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-17 11:00 PM


 I understand. Farming is the same way anymore. Everyone knows how to do your job better than you do, and they love to gripe about everything they think you're doing wrong, insulting your intelligence, character, motivations, and your grandma along the way.  

I was very thankful to my son's teacher for not murdering the little **** these last 3 years.  I didn't always agree with her, but I darn sure supported her and made sure she knew it.  He is NOT an easy student but it's because he's a highly intelligent smartass with an overdeveloped sense of mischief.   Don't know where he gets that. 

foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!

foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!

Anniemae - 2016-06-18 4:03 PM They are burying the victims, vigils are being held, there is a large community in mourning and somehow this thread is arguing over the public school system?  



Maybe we should all take a step back and remember why this thread was started in the first place, and focus on the real victims instead.  Remember the innocent victims, their families, friends and communities. Those that are still hospitialized, the first responders that can't sleep at night, the doctor that refuses to change his blood soaked shoes until the last of the injured leaves the hospital, the investigators that have to review the security tapes and watch the horrible events unfold over and over...



If anyone thinks that the only ones that were affected by this horrible tragedy were those inside the nightclub, you are sadly mistaken....  100's if not 1,000's of lives have been forever impacted.  Sights, smells, noises that will forever replay in their sleepless nights....   Let's just take a moment and say a solemn prayer for all those that have been touched by this tragedy.   May God bless and watch over them all.    

SC Wrangler - 2016-06-18 4:36 PM


Thank you for being a voice of reason.  I have been watching this thread its inception and I am totally and completely disgusted by its focus.  Everyone is quick to point fingers and place blame (much of it in ridiculous places) but I have seen very little in the way of  viable, positive ideas for solutions.  

Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:40 PM


What personal experance do you have with a teachers' union to justify your statement?  You know nothing about what you are talking about.  I have worked for a teacher union for 37 years and you are totally uninformed.  We do everything to improve teaching and learning.  We offer inservices, we protect planning time and academic freedom, everything we do is to help teachers teach.   We are trying to keep the pressures of anti-public schools away from our members so they can do their jobs.  The officers earn exactly what they will earn when they return to the classroom, but pro-rated to 12 months instead of 10.  They get mileage because the put 100,000 miles a year on their cars rushing up and down our 76 mile long district to help with crisis.

I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system.  An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
 

Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-18 6:02 PM


The only solution I can come up with is do everything you can to defend yourself. Sorry for the tangent.

Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM What personal experience do you have with a teachers' union to justify your statement?  You know nothing about what you are talking about.  I have worked for a teacher union for 37 years and you are totally uninformed.  We do everything to improve teaching and learning.  We offer inservices, we protect planning time and academic freedom, everything we do is to help teachers teach.   We are trying to keep the pressures of anti-public schools away from our members so they can do their jobs.  The officers earn exactly what they will earn when they return to the classroom, but pro-rated to 12 months instead of 10.  They get mileage because the put 100,000 miles a year on their cars rushing up and down our 76 mile long district to help with crisis.



I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system.  An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.

 

TXBO - 2016-06-19 10:29 AM  We don't live in a democracy and education is not a legitimate function of the federal government.



Congratulations, you just proved the point for all the anti-public school proponents.

Vickie - 2016-06-19 10:30 AM Seriously?  You don't think education is the most important function of government, WOW, What would you prefer an uneducated populance that is easily manipulated and led.  Joseph Stalin would be proud of your attitude.[/quote.      
Everyone needs to be educated, the governmrnt needs to get much better at it.  My kids went to both public and private, private was much better.  Teachers could discipline, they could teach - no scripts to follow,  no political correctness, no teaching to mandated testing. Many of the teachers were willing to leave the unions and a little higher pay for the better teaching environment.   My grandson is 14 months, I already told my daughter I will pay for private schools. 

Edited by rodeomom3 2016-06-19 11:11 AM

Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-18 3:20 PM I wonder how the ones that were wounded are doing? Has anyone heard? 

Anniemae - 2016-06-19 11:37 AM This was the latest I could find...  From Saturday.....



Of the 19 people who remain hospitalized, four patients are in critical condition and another three are in guarded condition, Morales said.

Four patients were discharged from Orlando Regional Medical Center since Friday afternoon.

Since the massacre, doctors performed 54 operations on victims.



And then you have the two motorcycle policemen that were hit/injured as they accompanied a funeral procession.  

 

Vickie - 2016-06-19 10:30 AM


Seriously?  You don't think education is the most important function of government, WOW, What would you prefer an uneducated populance that is easily manipulated and led.  Joseph Stalin would be proud of your attitude.