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Location: The South | Back on Track no bows and standing wraps. Sore no more clay is great too. | |
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Location: Great NW | DD2012 - 2013-11-27 1:06 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 2:05 PM I haven't said anything about how they work. so how could I contradict myself. My mixture has worked for years. I do not need to explain it to you. And 1 question for you~ what did I ever do to you? you always call me out on anything I post - why is that - I post my opinion and what has worked for me. I do not insist anyone use the stuff - I do NOT insinuate that I am a vet. so what exactly is the problem here. I do not pay to advertise on this site so I do not push products here. I come here for information and commadrie - not to be bullied.
Witch hazel is known for its Anti-inflamatory propertis and it known for shrinking blood vessels (hence its use in preparation H. The Apple cider vinegar - detox and balances the PH h . My mixture bythe way is: 1/2 water, 1/4 witch hazel, 1/4 ACV. spray it on, rub a bit and done. I just asked you how it worked. You claimed it increased circulation and I asked how it could possibly do that. By nature if something is constricted (your words not mine ) then flow can not be increased. Also I have been told by numerous acculife sales people that the beads were not necessary and to just throw them away. The very first article that you directed me to read claims that the therapeutic value comes from the accupressure of the beads. I have nothing against you and I am in no way "bullying" you. You made claims to as to the efficacy of a product and I asked you to quantify or defend your claim.
The article does not say anything about beads - You read the information - you evidently do not believe in them. There are some that are skeptics about Aculife just as some do not believe in Chiropracters and Sports Massage. I am not a person to push something on anyone. Have you tried them? Did they work for your issue? I tried them and they worked for me and the issues I was having- that is enough for me. I am not a "scientific" type- I do not care about the wheres and hows - just that it worked for me when other things I tried did not. Like other products I do not expect them to "cure all". I use them to help. If someone would like to try them in my area - I am more than happy to help them. but I will not "convince" someone of a products worth. | |
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 3:44 PM
DD2012 - 2013-11-27 1:06 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 2:05 PM I haven't said anything about how they work. so how could I contradict myself. Â My mixture has worked for years. I do not need to explain it to you. Â And 1 question for you~ what did I ever do to you? you always call me out on anything I post - why is that - I post my opinion and what has worked for me. I do not insist anyone use the stuff - I do NOT insinuate that I am a vet. so what exactly is the problem here. I do not pay to advertise on this site so I do not push products here. Â I come here for information and commadrie - not to be bullied.
Witch hazel is known for its Anti-inflamatory  propertis and it known for shrinking blood vessels (hence its use in preparation H.  The Apple cider vinegar - detox and  balances the PH h .  My mixture bythe way is:  1/2 water, 1/4 witch hazel, 1/4 ACV.  spray it on, rub a bit and done. I just asked you how it worked. You claimed it increased circulation and I asked how it could possibly do that. By nature if something is constricted (your words not mine ) then flow can not be increased. Also I have been told by numerous acculife sales people that the beads were not necessary and to just throw them away. The very first article that you directed me to read claims that the therapeutic value comes from the accupressure of the beads. I have nothing against you and I am in no way "bullying" you. You made claims to as to the efficacy of a product and I asked you to quantify or defend your claim.
No biggie we're cool.
One suggestion though, if, not saying you are, but if you are going to sell something you really should read the material.
Good luck with your patches.
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Location: North Dakota | Red gets his Back-On-Track quick wraps before a race. After the race, I have ice boots that I put on his back legs. I should get another set so that I can do his front legs too. After the ice boots, I spray his legs down with a mixture of witch hazel and rubbing alcohol. I tried sore-no-more poultice and I didn't think it did any better than my WH/A mixture and it is super messy anyway. I personally don't like to wrap anything around my horse's legs after a run (unless it's my ice boots) because I don't want to lock in any heat.... that includes NOT using the BOT wraps after a run.
As far as the Witch Hazal "discussion" going on, it is my understanding that both the witch hazel and rubbing alcohol will "evaporate" and pull out heat from the leg as it does so?
The reason I use my BOT wraps before a race is to thermally increase circulation in the leg. | |
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| Soft ride on all 4's. Ice boots after the run. | |
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| I use BOT before I run, after I use tough 1 ice wraps. Then I put her PHT bells and 3n1s on hocks. I am thinking about getting some PHT tendon wraps for over night but haven't decided if it be worth the money or not. I have some BOT no-bows but I don't really like to leave BOT on for very long so it seems like I usually end up using the quick wraps since they are faster.
ETA: I also put SNM on her legs and anywhere her muscles get sore after I run.
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Location: Illinois | Back on Track Quick Wraps. He wears them anytime I'm not on his back while at barrel races. I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours | |
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Location: Midwest | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM Back on Track Quick Wraps. He wears them anytime I'm not on his back while at barrel races. I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
Pht is ok 24/7
im not sure about other brands. | |
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Location: North Dakota | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year.
I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. | |
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| Pretty much nothing except 24 hour turnout and good conditioning. Unless dealing with a specific injury....which have been very few over the years. Movement provides better circulation than rubbing something on their legs. But that is just my (and my vets' opinions).
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Location: Illinois | PHT are the only ones I have gotten vet approval for leaving on 24/7. BOT products can be used 24/7 but you are supposed to start with using a couple hours and then build up to wearing 24/7. I use my BOT products on an almost daily basis. I could be wrong on the magnet thing, but three vets have told me the same thing but then again that is just their recommendation. I'm sure some product manufacturers would tell you it was ok even if it wasn't, however I trust PHT the most. I just cannot afford PHT and I was able to get a great deal through a couple BOT dealers and I have 4 quick wraps, mesh sheet, and neck cover for less than the price of a PHT sheet. I fully support both brands though | |
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| r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day.
The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body.
My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear.
When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex.
As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track.
When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year.
I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
Sellers of products take note.(Cheryl I have no idea if you sell them or not)
This is how you do it. I have no idea if what she said is correct or even physialogically possible but she sounds like she knows what she's talking about and that is half the battle. | |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM
r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day.
The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body.
My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear.
When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex.
As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track.
When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
I was specifically told by the BOT sales person I bought from NOT to use any linament under BOT products including Sore No More! | |
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| DD2012 - 2013-11-29 7:30 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year.
I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
Sellers of products take note. (Cheryl I have no idea if you sell them or not ) This is how you do it. I have no idea if what she said is correct or even physialogically possible but she sounds like she knows what she's talking about and that is half the battle.Â
I don't sell them, I like to do my research before I put anything on my horses. I am fortunate enough to be able to ask my vet a bazillion questions about the latest and greatest products without being charged for his time. | |
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| mreklaw - 2013-11-29 7:57 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM
r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day.
The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body.
My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear.
When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex.
As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track.
When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
I was specifically told by the BOT sales person I bought from NOT to use any linament under BOT products including Sore No More!
If you apply liniment on and apply the bot wraps you do increase your chances of scalding especially with alcohol products as you are heating the leg therefor heating the alcohol/liniment which can cause scalding in extreme cases or dermatitis in most cases.
This is why I let the sore no more air dry, and if I remember right there are no irritants listed in the ingredients. | |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-29 10:56 AM
mreklaw - 2013-11-29 7:57 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM
r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day.
The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body.
My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear.
When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex.
As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track.
When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
I was specifically told by the BOT sales person I bought from NOT to use any linament under BOT products including Sore No More!
If you apply liniment on and apply the bot wraps you do increase your chances of scalding especially with alcohol products as you are heating the leg therefor heating the alcohol/liniment which can cause scalding in extreme cases or dermatitis in most cases.
This is why I let the sore no more air dry, and if I remember right there are no irritants listed in the ingredients.
She told me if I had applied even sore no more in the last 24 hours that I would need to rinse his legs before using the boots. | |
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
But is heat still heat? Even though you are internally reflecting the horse's own heat on itself?
Not trying to start an arguement, but rather a discussion. We know that sport boots will trap heat on a horse's leg and shouldn't be used longer than 2 hours max ... What is different about that trapped heat versus the BOT reflected heat?
Edited by r_beau 2013-11-29 11:28 AM
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| r_beau - 2013-11-29 9:27 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
But is heat still heat? Even though you are internally reflecting the horse's own heat on itself?
Not trying to start an arguement, but rather a discussion. We know that sport boots will trap heat on a horse's leg and shouldn't be used longer than 2 hours max ... What is different about that trapped heat versus the BOT reflected heat?
I have wondered the same thing, hence why I have never bought any BOT stuff but leaned more towards PHT | |
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| r_beau - 2013-11-29 11:27 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
But is heat still heat? Even though you are internally reflecting the horse's own heat on itself?
Not trying to start an arguement, but rather a discussion. We know that sport boots will trap heat on a horse's leg and shouldn't be used longer than 2 hours max ... What is different about that trapped heat versus the BOT reflected heat?
The difference between back on track and support boots is the breathability. Back on track products will still breathe, while support boots made of neoprene will not. This is the main difference.
Also would like to know why heat is bad
Edited by cheryl makofka 2013-11-29 12:42 PM
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