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Location: Florida.. | SKM - 2013-11-29 4:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
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Location: Memphis, TN | Ridenrun4745 - 2013-11-29 4:33 PM
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SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.Â
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I second that.
Third. Very valid points. |
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Location: Depends where the next barrel race is..... | I watched this horse being worked this summer and he is really cool! Don't hold anything against a horse in their first few races. Futurities are the start of their careers, not their career. I know what he is, I have seen his sister work too. Both are nice big boned horses that really liked to work. Since I have seen them, I am looking for one or might breed a mare to him myself. Nice, nice, nice! |
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I know when he first started standing to the public his stud fee was $4,000... is it still that high? Â The only place I saw a stud fee listed was at the SDP Buffalo Ranch page and it said the fee is $2,500... so did they decide maybe $4k was unreasonable? Just asking...Â
I don't know about barrel horse studs, but TBs typically drop the stud fee on the third/fourth crop. Then when their two year olds hit the track the stud fee will reflect their success/failure on the track. |
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Location: Michigan | BMW - 2013-11-29 7:21 PM DVM2Be - 2013-11-29 4:40 PM I know when he first started standing to the public his stud fee was $4,000... is it still that high? The only place I saw a stud fee listed was at the SDP Buffalo Ranch page and it said the fee is $2,500... so did they decide maybe $4k was unreasonable? Just asking... I don't know about barrel horse studs, but TBs typically drop the stud fee on the third/fourth crop. Then when their two year olds hit the track the stud fee will reflect their success/failure on the track.
Oh good to know! That makes sense. I guess I wasn't sure why his would drop already since he hasn't had any offspring perform yet... But maybe they know something we don't.  |
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Location: South Central Florida | SwishMiss - 2013-11-29 5:37 PM Enjoyed reading this thread. Honestly if they don't start doing something soon ill be worried. He looks more like a little cow horse than anything... I think more and more barrel racers are going for race lines these days. Wish the best for his offspring and fingers crossed that they do well. Its exciting to keep up with!
Isn't this year the first year that the first crop is old enough to do something? What year did he start standing? I can't remember. . . |
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Location: Florida.. | Swannranch - 2013-11-30 8:02 PM SwishMiss - 2013-11-29 5:37 PM Enjoyed reading this thread. Honestly if they don't start doing something soon ill be worried. He looks more like a little cow horse than anything... I think more and more barrel racers are going for race lines these days. Wish the best for his offspring and fingers crossed that they do well. Its exciting to keep up with! Isn't this year the first year that the first crop is old enough to do something? What year did he start standing? I can't remember. . .
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | barrelracin85 - 2013-11-29 4:42 PM Ridenrun4745 - 2013-11-29 4:33 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-29 4:03 PM SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I second that. Third. Very valid points.
Agree, whole heartedly. I hope that if he fails as a sire they stop breeding him. but that probably wont happen. Have to make all that cloning money back some how right? |
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Location: Florida.. | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2013-11-30 8:48 PM barrelracin85 - 2013-11-29 4:42 PM Ridenrun4745 - 2013-11-29 4:33 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-29 4:03 PM SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I second that. Third. Very valid points.
I wish people felt that way regarding all the stallions not just the cloned ones. |
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Location: Wishing I was riding | Bibliafarm - 2013-11-30 9:57 PM
Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2013-11-30 8:48 PM barrelracin85 - 2013-11-29 4:42 PM Ridenrun4745 - 2013-11-29 4:33 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-29 4:03 PM SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.Â
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I second that. Third. Very valid points.
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| SKM - 2013-11-30 1:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with. 1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.Â
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I agree with the mare power that people have given him he better have some winning big time!!! I'd rather see him breed crap mares and produce great horses. That's a sign of a great stud. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | akammes1997 - 2013-11-30 10:08 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-30 9:57 PM Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2013-11-30 8:48 PM barrelracin85 - 2013-11-29 4:42 PM Ridenrun4745 - 2013-11-29 4:33 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-29 4:03 PM SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I second that. Third. Very valid points. Amen to that!!!
Trust me I agree with that too, but it kind of opens a small can of worms and there is a grey area. IMO, it gets in a little deep. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2013-12-01 4:29 AM
akammes1997 - 2013-11-30 10:08 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-30 9:57 PM Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2013-11-30 8:48 PM barrelracin85 - 2013-11-29 4:42 PM Ridenrun4745 - 2013-11-29 4:33 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-29 4:03 PM SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.Â
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I second that. Third. Very valid points. Amen to that!!!
Brings up an interesting thought. What crop years were Scamper and Hot Shot for their sires? |
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Location: Memphis, TN | Just curious, does anyone know if any of the other horse clones have foals showing yet? I tried to see if any of the get out of the Smart Little Lena clones were showing yet but didn't have any luck. I know it's just like any stud though. It's all a gamble. Amazing performers do not always mean amazing producers. This is just one of the most expensive gambles we have seen lol. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | barrelracin85 - 2013-12-01 7:49 AM
Just curious, does anyone know if any of the other horse clones have foals showing yet? I tried to see if any of the get out of the Smart Little Lena clones were showing yet but didn't have any luck. I know it's just like any stud though. It's all a gamble. Amazing performers do not always mean amazing producers. This is just one of the most expensive gambles we have seen lol.
None of the clones in cutting ever made it to a futurity that I remember. Most SLL went abroad for breeding purposes. The other clones in cutting are now breeding. Nothing from a second generation clone is old enough, I believe. |
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Location: Memphis, TN | rockette - 2013-12-01 7:54 AM
barrelracin85 - 2013-12-01 7:49 AM
Just curious, does anyone know if any of the other horse clones have foals showing yet? I tried to see if any of the get out of the Smart Little Lena clones were showing yet but didn't have any luck. I know it's just like any stud though. It's all a gamble. Amazing performers do not always mean amazing producers. This is just one of the most expensive gambles we have seen lol.
None of the clones in cutting ever made it to a futurity that I remember. Most SLL went abroad for breeding purposes. The other clones in cutting are now breeding. Nothing from a second generation clone is old enough, I believe.
Yeah that's about all I found in regards to SLL. Of course he is different because he proved himself as a producer before he was cloned. With Scamper it is completely unknown until now. I want to say that the people behind the SLL clones voted not to show the clones and to use them strictly for breeding. There was a video of one cutting but I don't think they actually competed on him. Just did it more to show he could and would do it. I didn't think the Hotshot clones were breeding yet and couldn't remember what other horses were cloned. I just don't follow it enough honestly. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | barrelracin85 - 2013-12-01 8:03 AM
rockette - 2013-12-01 7:54 AM
barrelracin85 - 2013-12-01 7:49 AM
Just curious, does anyone know if any of the other horse clones have foals showing yet? I tried to see if any of the get out of the Smart Little Lena clones were showing yet but didn't have any luck. I know it's just like any stud though. It's all a gamble. Amazing performers do not always mean amazing producers. This is just one of the most expensive gambles we have seen lol.
None of the clones in cutting ever made it to a futurity that I remember. Most SLL went abroad for breeding purposes. The other clones in cutting are now breeding. Nothing from a second generation clone is old enough, I believe.
Yeah that's about all I found in regards to SLL. Of course he is different because he proved himself as a producer before he was cloned. With Scamper it is completely unknown until now. I want to say that the people behind the SLL clones voted not to show the clones and to use them strictly for breeding. There was a video of one cutting but I don't think they actually competed on him. Just did it more to show he could and would do it. I didn't think the Hotshot clones were breeding yet and couldn't remember what other horses were cloned. I just don't follow it enough honestly.
I think they cloned a couple of champion bucking horses. I want to say Air wolf? Wonder how they are going? |
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Location: ND | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2013-11-30 7:48 PM barrelracin85 - 2013-11-29 4:42 PM Ridenrun4745 - 2013-11-29 4:33 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-29 4:03 PM SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I second that. Third. Very valid points.
right....because if his foals don't have all kinds of succes in the big barrel pens, they are obviously worthless horses |
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Location: ND | akammes1997 - 2013-11-30 11:08 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-30 9:57 PM Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2013-11-30 8:48 PM barrelracin85 - 2013-11-29 4:42 PM Ridenrun4745 - 2013-11-29 4:33 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-29 4:03 PM SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with. 1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO. I second that. Third. Very valid points. Amen to that!!!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-01 8:38 AM akammes1997 - 2013-11-30 11:08 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-30 9:57 PM Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2013-11-30 8:48 PM barrelracin85 - 2013-11-29 4:42 PM Ridenrun4745 - 2013-11-29 4:33 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-29 4:03 PM SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I second that. Third. Very valid points. Amen to that!!!
Dang.....I need to put a bullet in all my horses.
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