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Location: NE Texas | RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
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| rockinj - 2013-12-03 7:15 PM
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bennie1 - 2013-12-03 5:46 PM
I like a stout horse, but they should really V-up in the pectoral region...not have a wide, flat chest floor.
Seems like years ago they thought a horse with a really wide chest couldn't turn as supple....I guess that doesn't hold true anymore? Would you mind explaining why that deep V is better? I know I should KNOW the reason but I don't and would love some education!
Horses with flat wide chests have trouble reaching across with their front legs. They can do it obviously but do not have the depth of reach as horses with a good V chest. It is really obvious in the reining pen; the horses that can really spin using a minimal amount of strides are the fastest spinners. Flat chested horses have to take more strides to cover the same ground when moving across/around. This then translates to being the manouver around a barrel for our barrel horses.
This is form to function and certainly holds true today. I love stout horses but don't like ones that you can drive a freight train between their front legs. This DOES NOT mean that they cannot make awesome horses by any means however form to function again rules that horses built right will do the job easier. (I know, I know, there are always going to be exceptions. )
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| Here is a picture of a mare I had. She was medium stout, but this picture ilustrates her fairly good V. She could get around and was a real pretty mover to boot.
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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | Herbie - 2013-12-03 7:12 PM
RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
Good read. Thanks for posting ! | |
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Location: MD | I want a deep heart girth, but beyond that, stout, typey, it doesn't matter to me. I want one balanced and actually, I prefer them to be a bit on the "stretchy" side as we might say in the TB world. | |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM
Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!! | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Very very few extremily stout horses are actually that fast or that quick. To much body mass to move around. | |
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Location: Georgia | I've ridden a mixture of builds and I tend to like them all. The three that stand out the most was a 14 hand Peppy San gelding that was lean, yet he had good bone and structure. He was like riding a 4 wheeler around a barrel, his feet constantly moved around the barrels... I also had a 16.2 hand Sun Frost gelding that was built like a stud. He was the smoothest, most elegant moving horse I've ever ridden. 3 steps and he was around the barrels. He's a very accomplished HS rodeo mount for a girl now... I've also had a 15.3 hand mare that is a daughter of Biduino out a AAA daughter of Royal Quick Dash. She was lean and lanky, but she would float on the ground and slide around the barrels. I enjoy riding all styles and builds of horses. I think it truly makes a rider more well rounded. | |
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Location: NE Texas | hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!!
That's so wonderful, hopin4$ that you are getting to enjoy your granddaughter! So happy for you! I hope whoever got Meg is loving her and I know that she's going to make someone an outstanding mare. Have you found another prospect or just shopping right now? So glad to see you back on here!!!! | |
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Location: Kansas | I like a horse that is WIDE, that way my butt looks smaller than it actually is! 
Plus I like my horses with good bone on them, big hipped, big chests, thick necks......built like a brick house is my favorite. | |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-04 8:17 AM
I like a horse that is WIDE, that way my butt looks smaller than it actually is! Plus I like my horses with good bone on them, big hipped, big chests, thick necks......built like a brick house is my favorite.
lol!! AGREE and the of course until I lose weight, I've got to find me a 5" seat in a saddle with a nice big swell for that same reason! | |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Herbie - 2013-12-04 8:11 AM
hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!!
Oh you can't imagine how beautiful she is!! I'll post a pic! She is such a joy and loves watching barrel racing. lol! I have a Panther Mountain out of an Oak Tree Special I'm picking up this weekend! He's sooo cute! He ran his last race last month "Panthers Pop Pop" lol! I've nicknamed him Cooper! Finally a gelding & no mare issues. Meg is doing outstanding running 1D times! She is a pill for the girl warming up but has sure proven herself! What are you riding now? I KNOW it's a good one & will be well trained in your hands.
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| Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM
RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
The only thing I disagree with is the size of foot. The smaller the foot the less shock absorbing available, the more concussion joints will have which may increase the chances of early onset of osteoarthritis. | |
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Location: Feeding those that need me | I really like a thick horse. I'm with hoofs in motion. I think it's to make my butt look smaller.
This is my ideal horse, and I can finally call him mine! Wish all of mine were built exactly like him.
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Location: Kansas | GhostDancer - 2013-12-04 9:51 AM
I really like a thick horse. I'm with hoofs in motion. I think it's to make my butt look smaller.
This is my ideal horse, and I can finally call him mine! Wish all of mine were built exactly like him.
I was drooling over that picture on your facebook page......and I'm normally not a paint person!!! | |
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Location: Feeding those that need me | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-04 9:54 AM GhostDancer - 2013-12-04 9:51 AM
I really like a thick horse. I'm with hoofs in motion. I think it's to make my butt look smaller.
This is my ideal horse, and I can finally call him mine! Wish all of mine were built exactly like him.
Thanks!
I seriously think I might be the only owner that still walks in the barn and immediately has to wipe up my own drool. Sometimes it feels surreal that we've been blessed with such nice horses. | |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!!
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| ThreeCorners - 2013-12-04 7:30 AM
Very very few extremily stout horses are actually that fast or that quick. To much body mass to move around.
I agree with this as well. Had a gorgeous stout bugger, was 15.2 and weighed 1350 on scales, no guesswork. He actually could run a lot...but was a very slow turner. He was smooth but his turns made him a small local jackpot 2-d horse. He's now picking up broncs in Texas. | |
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