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Location: Decatur, Texas | We have a healthy three year old out of a Sun Frost mare. |
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Location: Around here somewhere... | COautumn - 2013-12-15 11:18 AM We have a healthy three year old out of a Sun Frost mare.
Would you care to share pedigree? :) |
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Location: Sebeka, MN | And we have a 2 yr old and a yrlg Woodbridge out of a daughter of Shawne Bug and they're fine. The two-coming-three has been started and ranched on. No problems. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Thanks for the information... I would be concerned too. Horses seem to be the only animal on this planet that is totally made to self destruct by design. If you don't feel lucky, pass on by and find another, life is hard enough without making it harder. |
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| thank you for the input I'll keep my fingers crossed. I love the colts out of my mare. |
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Location: Around here somewhere... | cow pie - 2013-12-15 2:02 PM Thanks for the information... I would be concerned too. Horses seem to be the only animal on this planet that is totally made to self destruct by design. If you don't feel lucky, pass on by and find another, life is hard enough without making it harder.
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Location: Iowa, LA | My mare started dragging her back feet around 1 1/2-2 years of age. That was her only sign until she was started under saddle at 3. Her trainer complained about her not wanting to flex her neck and thought she was just being difficult. Then at 3 1/2 she went into barrel training and began to fall. She fell twice, and the second time we did neck X-rays and it showed on those. Took her to several more vets for second opinions and by 4 she was officially diagnosed as Wobblers by LSU and we put her down. Hind sight allowed me to see that my dog was actually showing symptoms much younger, but by 5 1/2 I had to put her down as her painful episodes were becoming more and more frequent. Hope that helps! It's always there, but generally doesn't show up until training because that's when we begin to ask the animal to do more difficult maneuvers, etc. Then the neck becomes more inflamed and therefore makes the symptoms worsen. |
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Location: Around here somewhere... | How heartbreaking... |
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| I have a 6 yr old by him that is a BEATIFUL natural mover....no issues what so ever!!
His maternal side is cow....goes back to Doc Bar.
This is ALL news to me!! |
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| annemarea - 2013-12-15 6:44 PM
My mare started dragging her back feet around 1 1/2-2 years of age. That was her only sign until she was started under saddle at 3. Her trainer complained about her not wanting to flex her neck and thought she was just being difficult. Then at 3 1/2 she went into barrel training and began to fall. She fell twice, and the second time we did neck X-rays and it showed on those. Took her to several more vets for second opinions and by 4 she was officially diagnosed as Wobblers by LSU and we put her down. Hind sight allowed me to see that my dog was actually showing symptoms much younger, but by 5 1/2 I had to put her down as her painful episodes were becoming more and more frequent. Hope that helps! It's always there, but generally doesn't show up until training because that's when we begin to ask the animal to do more difficult maneuvers, etc. Then the neck becomes more inflamed and therefore makes the symptoms worsen.
You basically wrote the story of my 2 yo. It was so heartbreaking because I had so many plans for him. Surgery is possible but it's not 100% guaranteed and will run at least 10-15 thousand dollars possibly more. |
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| So can offspring of Woodbridge pass it on to thier offspring if they aren't showing signs? Like can it skip a generation? |
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| I happen to know Woodbridge's full brother Kendall and I don't think I've ever seen a better moving horse than him. I haven't heard of any Woodbridge colts having wobblers any more frequently than any other stud. I also have a friend that has a Make It Anywhere/Streakin La Jolla mare with wobblers that I believe is 7 years old. Yes, she's not the prettiest moving thing, but is a wonderful babysitter for the weanlings. The vets at Oakridge said that basically it's a toss up whether her case was genetic or from physical trauma (if there was any, my friend didn't see it happen). Which is awful, because this mare is absolutely gorgeous. But, since there's a chance it is genetic, it wouldn't be worth it to try to flush her and have a baby. |
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| I have seen a lot of Woodbridge colts and have never seen one with Wobblers. A friend of mine in Iowa has a TB farm and they had two of their clients TB's diagnosed within a week of each other, one yearling and one weanling. There was no genetic connection between the two. They were told by vets at Iowa State University that it was just bad luck. I had a western pleasure mare that was a wobbler, bred her twice before I sold her and neither of those foals has problems, they are both in the show pen. None of her full siblings, that all grew up in the same environment that she did, were affected either. |
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Location: Oklahoma or who knows maybe trucking ? | I have a 2 year old gelding out of a beduino mare that is a woodbridge, and a comming yearling filly out of the same mare and she is rebred back to woodbridge for another baby this year. None of them have any problems yet. The 2 year old is race traning right now and the trainer is saying he is super smart and wants to work. |
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Location: S.W. North Dakota | If you have questions about Woodbridge, just call the farm and talk to the owner/farm manager. I've done that, and the answers I received to my questions seemed honest and factual. IMO Woodbridge is a nice horse..... And I don't think the people that own him have anything to gain by not telling the truth about what happened to him......the man I spoke with was forthcoming with details.
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Location: Being pushed over the edge, NM | Wobblers hasn't been proven to be genetic. You hear about it in racehorses more often because of the way we feed them and expect growth and performance. Woodbridge isn't a wobbler, I have seen the horse a hundred times and there are plenty of his get that are champions across the board. I've never heard of a Woodbridge wobbler, but even if I had, I surely wouldn't say "Woodbridge throws wobblers." I bred to First Moonflash, whose sire was lost to wobblers, got such an outstanding colt that I bred back and have two more contracts. First Moonflash set 4 world records, won almost $1M, and sired an All American winner in his first crop. You can't tell anyone that you wouldn't breed to either stud because of an internet rumor and not get laughed out of the barn. I have a Woodbridge colt who was born loving people and his only problem was his dam deciding to step on his leg. **** happens, it's unfortunate. Woodbridge get are beautiful, trainable, and winning. There is never a guarantee, you can do everything right and get a dud, it's the risk we take. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I had a big pretty chestnut colt by Chasin Firewater that got Wobblers at 5 months old and had to be put down. We did x-rays and found the ligaments holding the first vert. were torn allowing it to rotate and pinch the spine. Nothing we could do, he was just being a colt. Babies are so very fragile!! Just saying from my experience, wobblers happens far more often from a cause then being inherited. I wouldn't think twice about breeding to Woodbridge if he were local. He has a great track record of winners!!
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Location: Stillwater, OK | The reason that Wobblers is genetic is because it manifests in fast growing colts. Since genetics influences growth, it will secondarily influence chances of getting wobblers. The reason that the study somebody else mentioned produced OCD is because OCD lesions are manifested the same way that wobblers does, by rapid growth. Wobblers has also been shown to manifest as OCD lesions in the cervical vertebrae. Like with horses that throw babies with OCD, owners are discouraged from breeding horses with wobblers or that produce babies with wobblers however, veterinarians can only make a recommendation to the owners. When breeding to a horse with wobblers (or with OCD), it is recommended to feed the colts a careful diet so you don't promote rapid growth. This means feed your horse like a horse, NOT a halter horse, therefore don't push calories because you like cute, fat babies who are 16 hands as yearlings. Be careful of "wobblers diets" though because these are diets that were developed in order to stop and reverse the progression of wobblers after the onset of clinical signs and have be proven to be ineffective. The best way to prevent wobblers is to not breed to known producers and to feed offspring to promote a normal growth rate.
Editing to say that yes, wobblers can manifest later in life due to cervical vertebral trauma and arthritis.
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Location: Here | betsykuschel - 2013-12-15 1:50 PM And we have a 2 yr old and a yrlg Woodbridge out of a daughter of Shawne Bug and they're fine. The two-coming-three has been started and ranched on. No problems.
Thank you for sharing I knew you had raised some |
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| I have owned some and have ridden some. None have been wobblers. Woodbridge himself is not a true wobbler, he did have an accident on the track that caused him to retire a d that is where the "wobbler story" came from.
The Woodbridge progeny are good minded, well balanced, and generally very pretty.
I dealt with my first wobbler ever last week and had to put him down. His was 100% from a freak accident that caused spinal cord pressure. |
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